gher 0 #251 December 26, 2011 Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. it is, barring an eval from a qualified Mental Health professional. He could just be an asshole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #252 December 26, 2011 Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. There are people from all over the U.S. who dress up like Santa at Christmas and don't shoot people. I've even heard of people dressing up like ghosts, witches and goblins and they never shot anybody. In fact one of my girlfriends used to dress up like......errr, never mind. What's your point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #253 December 26, 2011 Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. Merry Fucked Up Christmas. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57348407/cops-santa-killed-texas-family-after-opening-presents/quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #254 December 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. Merry Fucked Up Christmas. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57348407/cops-santa-killed-texas-family-after-opening-presents/ Suppose it turns out he was an illegal immigrant. Would that fact change your views on immigration? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #255 December 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. Merry Fucked Up Christmas. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57348407/cops-santa-killed-texas-family-after-opening-presents/ Suppose it turns out he was an illegal immigrant. Would that fact change your views on immigration? So . . . you DON'T think it was fucked up?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #256 December 26, 2011 Quote There are people from all over the U.S. who dress up like Santa at Christmas and don't shoot people. I've even heard of people dressing up like ghosts, witches and goblins and they never shot anybody. In fact one of my girlfriends used to dress up like......errr, never mind. What's your point? He doesn't have a point, other than "I hate guns". And if you try and infer what his point might be, he'll deny it. All the while, refusing to just flat out state what his point is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #257 December 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. Merry Fucked Up Christmas. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57348407/cops-santa-killed-texas-family-after-opening-presents/ Suppose it turns out he was an illegal immigrant. Would that fact change your views on immigration? So . . . you DON'T think it was fucked up? Of course it's fucked up. You and Kallend are trying to use this to support your view that guns are evil or at the very least that we should have tougher gun laws. I'm simply asking if it turns out that this was an illegal, would you change your liberal views on immigration as well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #258 December 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. Merry Fucked Up Christmas. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57348407/cops-santa-killed-texas-family-after-opening-presents/ Suppose it turns out he was an illegal immigrant. Would that fact change your views on immigration? So . . . you DON'T think it was fucked up? Of course it's fucked up. You and Kallend are trying to use this to support your view that guns are evil or at the very least that we should have tougher gun laws. I'm simply asking if it turns out that this was an illegal, would you change your liberal views on immigration as well? Nope. Simply my reaction to the story, as stated, "Merry Fucked Up Christmas."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #259 December 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. Merry Fucked Up Christmas. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57348407/cops-santa-killed-texas-family-after-opening-presents/ Suppose it turns out he was an illegal immigrant. Would that fact change your views on immigration? So . . . you DON'T think it was fucked up? Of course it's fucked up. You and Kallend are trying to use this to support your view that guns are evil or at the very least that we should have tougher gun laws. I'm simply asking if it turns out that this was an illegal, would you change your liberal views on immigration as well? Nope. Simply my reaction to the story, as stated, "Merry Fucked Up Christmas." It's not surprising that you ducked my question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #260 December 26, 2011 Your question is a non-sequitar and has no relevance to the story or my opinion about it. Make the participants any race or nationality and my opinion remains the same. "Merry Fucked Up Christmas"quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #261 December 26, 2011 Quote Your question is a non-sequitar and has no relevance to the story or my opinion about it. Then your post is non-sequitar to this thread title. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #262 December 26, 2011 Quote Merry Fucked Up Christmas. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57348407/cops-santa-killed-texas-family-after-opening-presents/ Merry Fucked Up Christmas. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111226/D9RS4CC00.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #263 December 26, 2011 Indeed. Although nobody dressed up as Santa and used a gun to kill his own family in that one.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #264 December 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. it is Your definition of normal and mine are quite different. The normal people I associate with don't commit mass murder of their own families.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #265 December 26, 2011 Quote The normal people I associate with don't commit mass murder of their own families. Seriously? You need to get out more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #266 December 26, 2011 Quote Indeed. Although nobody dressed up as Santa and used a gun to kill his own family in that one. No, it was just people dressed up as muslims and killing 39 family members. The motive? "There will never be peace until our demands are met," the newspaper quoted the spokesman as saying. "We want all our brothers who have been incarcerated to be released; we want full implementation of the Sharia system and we want democracy and the constitution to be suspended."Isn't that sweet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #267 December 27, 2011 Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. It sounds like he was separated or divorced and wanted to see his kids on Christmas. Holidays are the most common time for depressed and suffering folks to snap. So now what, professor? Is it your contension that everyone person who ever shot someone is a nutter? Do you have any indicators for a "nutter" label prior to homicide/suicide? Do you have any suggestions for "something" when you cry out for government to do something? It seems we've danced this two-step before, and you still can't offer a definition of nutter or what you would do other than what is already in place. In other words, WHAT'S YOUR POINT?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #268 December 27, 2011 Quote Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. It sounds like he was separated or divorced and wanted to see his kids on Christmas. Holidays are the most common time for depressed and suffering folks to snap. So now what, professor? Is it your contension that everyone person who ever shot someone is a nutter? Do you have any indicators for a "nutter" label prior to homicide/suicide? Someone else who thinks a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is normal. Must be something about Texans I didn't know previously.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #269 December 27, 2011 Quote In other words, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? Same as it's always been - to make vague accusations and insults to gun owners, as seen directly above.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #270 December 27, 2011 Quote Quote In other words, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? Same as it's always been - to make vague accusations and insults to gun owners, as seen directly above. It's not me who is claiming that this behavior is normal for gun owners.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gher 0 #271 December 28, 2011 Quote Quote Quote In other words, WHAT'S YOUR POINT? Same as it's always been - to make vague accusations and insults to gun owners, as seen directly above. It's not me who is claiming that this behavior is normal for gun owners. What criteria would you employ to spot nutters before they do something? Bear in mind that your solutions cannot infringe on the rights of those with no issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #272 December 28, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote The problem here is the definition of "Nutter." Right, it's really unfair to say that a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is mentally disturbed. Could be normal behavior. It sounds like he was separated or divorced and wanted to see his kids on Christmas. Holidays are the most common time for depressed and suffering folks to snap. So now what, professor? Is it your contension that everyone person who ever shot someone is a nutter? Do you have any indicators for a "nutter" label prior to homicide/suicide? Someone else who thinks a Texan who dresses up as Santa and then shoots dead 6 members of his family is normal. Must be something about Texans I didn't know previously. Why does it matter that he dressed up as Santa? It was Christmas. Is dressing as Santa during the holidays one of your nutter indicators? Remember, we're looking for indicators PRIOR to loss of life. Your jabs at Texans and concealed carriers don't do you credit; they come off trite and juvenile.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #273 December 28, 2011 Does anyone else see the irony in a Physicist, whose ilk was responsible for inventing the atomic bomb, nattering on about people who own guns? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #274 December 28, 2011 http://www.12newsnow.com/story/16396130/grapevine-massacre-victim-sought-divorce-from-gunman Apparently this was a Muslim Honor Killing. Edited to add: still figuring out how to use my new iPad. Here's the link I meant to post: http://www.jihadwatch.org/ Aziz Yazdanpanah, a Muslim, didn't like his daughter's non-Muslim boyfriend and was exhibiting stalker behavior. “She couldn’t date at all until she was a certain age, but when he was going to let her date she couldn’t date anyone outside of their race or religion.” Again and again we have seen honor killings in which fathers kill daughters who are dating non-Muslims or have supposedly besmirched the family honor by some sexual indiscretion. Lt. Todd Dearing says that motive isn't important -- which is generally only the case when Islam is involved. "Neighbors horrified at news of family’s slayings in Grapevine," by Gloria Salinas and Scott Goldstein for the Dallas Morning News, December 26 (thanks to Steve): GRAPEVINE — Aziz Yazdanpanah seemed to be losing control of his life in recent months — his wife left him, his house was in foreclosure, and his 19-year-old daughter was dating a young man he didn’t like. Even so, the 58-year-old former real estate agent from Colleyville seemed to be holding it together. Neighbors say he would smile and wave as he drove through his middle-class neighborhood. Recently, he was seen raking leaves in his yard. “He was very friendly, a very good neighbor,” said Carrie Stewart, who lives across the street. “He was out here often doing yard work and he even watched our house for us when we went to Colorado.” A decent fellow indeed. Yazdanpanah, a volunteer high school debate coach described as a doting father, is the focus of suspicion a day after a Christmas morning massacre in which a man dressed as Santa Claus killed six relatives and then committed suicide. Grapevine police arrived at the Lincoln Vineyard Apartment Homes a few minutes before noon and discovered bodies sprawled among opened presents and wrapping paper. The victims were ages 15 to 58.... Citing public records and interviews with friends and neighbors, media reports Monday identified Yazdanpanah and others who had died: his estranged 55-year-old wife, Fatemeh Rahmati, their 19-year-old daughter, Nona Narges Yazdanpanah, and 15-year-old son, Ali Yazdanpanah. Friends of the family said Fatemeh Rahmati’s 58-year-old sister, Zohreh Rahmaty, and her husband, Hossein Zarei, 59, and daughter Sahra Zarei, a 22-year-old pre-med student at the University of Texas at Arlington, also were killed. Grapevine police Lt. Todd Dearing said investigators were working to piece together a timeline of the murders, but they may never know exactly what set off the gunman. “Motive is not really the primary point right now,” Dearing said. “It’s more along the lines of what happened, how it transpired and making sure that who we believe to be the shooter is the shooter. Motive is what comes afterward for us if we can get it.” He said a neighbor at the apartment complex saw the suspected shooter get out of his white sport utility vehicle dressed in a Santa outfit, including a full coat, pants, boots and belt. Based in part on that witness account, police believe the shootings occurred about the time a 911 call rang into the station at 11:34 a.m. Sunday. The line was silent.... Grapevine police also searched the Colleyville home where Aziz Yazdanpanah had been living since he separated from his wife last spring. Public records show that the couple had filed for bankruptcy in 2010 and that the property was in foreclosure.... Yazdanpanah said he bought a gun after expressing concern that his daughter’s boyfriend was stalking him. He also insisted on picking up his daughter from her job at a phone kiosk inside Sam’s Club in Grapevine because of concerns about the alleged stalker. The boyfriend has not been publicly identified. Neighbors said the family was Muslim but had always hung Christmas lights on their home — except this year. Terri Baum, who lives three homes down from Yazdanpanah, said she had seen him around the neighborhood in the last couple of weeks. “They were pretty quiet, but kind, very kind,” Baum said. “They were sweet, good parents, and they loved their kids very much.” Baum’s daughter, Allison, attended Colleyville Heritage High School with Nona, where the girls were part of an academic team focused on developing business leaders. They graduated together in May. “Allison would take her to school from here, and then when they moved out she would pick her up from the apartments,” Baum said. “It’s unbelievable because of the people we knew them to be, and their children were good kids, very focused.” Baum said she was horrified at the possibility the killings had been a murder-suicide. “All I want to say is, it is so unbelievably shocking because they loved their kids,” Baum said. Yes, loved them to death. But a more ominous portrait emerged of Yazdanpanah in interviews with some of his daughter’s other classmates. “She would come to school crying and telling us her dad was crazy,” said Lacie Reed, 18. “He wouldn’t let her wear certain things. He was always taking her phone away, checking her call history and checking her text messages.” Friends said Nona’s father had installed cameras all around the home so he could watch the family’s comings and goings. Others said he nailed her bedroom window shut so she could not sneak out at night and see her boyfriend. “She couldn’t date at all until she was a certain age, but when he was going to let her date she couldn’t date anyone outside of their race or religion,” Reed said. Yiselle Alvarenga, 18, said Nona’s mother and brother seemed to come to her aid when her father punished her. “He would take her phone away and her mother would give it back to her and her brother would let her use his phone,” Alvarenga said. “She was doing good. She was just excited that her life was going to start and she was going to have control of it.”... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #275 December 28, 2011 Quote www.12newsnow.com/story/16396130/grapevine-massacre-victim-sought-divorce-from-gunman Apparently this was a Muslim Honor Killing. Well shucks, some people are going to be disappointed that it wasn't a white christian redneck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
