The AA12 Automatic Shotgun

[JohnRich 4]

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So you have a fantasy of blowing up a bunch of gun carry folks with a bazooka?

When are you finally going to stop putting words in someone's mouth?

See that little symbol on the end of the sentence? That's a question mark. Hence, it's not putting words in your mouth, it's asking you a question.

Let's try again. What did you mean when you said;

"Also it would be fun visiting that place where open-carry nuts crowd gets together while carrying a nice bazooka. Maybe some of them would immediately get an idea that just maybe open carry is not really a good idea."

Do you have a fantasy of blowing up a bunch of gun carry folks with a bazooka?

[steve1 5]

I haven't read all the replies to this. I'd like to see a picture of this weapon.

I'm just wondering why this weapon would be so good. A shotgun is close range weapon, where you are not going to need 300 rounds of ammo to end a conflict. A shotgun with a simple magazine extension, should be enough ammo.

Can you imagine how unhandy this weapon might be because of the extra weight. A lighter weapon might be more deadly. You could get on target much more quickly, in a close range encounter.

You could take your uncle fred's shotgun, buy a twenty inch barrel for it, and then put a magazine extension on it. Both of these adaptions are perfectly legal. With these simple changes you could have a weapon that would be just as deadly, if not more so.....

I'd like to see someone fire one of these shotguns on full auto. After about your third shot, you'd be shooting skyward, and not on target.

And think of the recoil. I don't think even G.I. Joe could handle that.

Just because the military has a new weapon, doesn't mean it's better than what many citizens already have for home defense....

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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I haven't read all the replies to this. I'd like to see a picture of this weapon.

I'm just wondering why this weapon would be so good. A shotgun is close range weapon, where you are not going to need 300 rounds of ammo to end a conflict. A shotgun with a simple magazine extension, should be enough ammo.

Can you imagine how unhandy this weapon might be because of the extra weight. A lighter weapon might be more deadly. You could get on target much more quickly, in a close range encounter.

You could take your uncle fred's shotgun, buy a twenty inch barrel for it, and then put a magazine extension on it. Both of these adaptions are perfectly legal. With these simple changes you could have a weapon that would be just as deadly, if not more so.....

I'd like to see someone fire one of these shotguns on full auto. After about your third shot, you'd be shooting skyward, and not on target.

And think of the recoil. I don't think even G.I. Joe could handle that.

Just because the military has a new weapon, doesn't mean it's better than what many citizens already have for home defense....

Watch the Youtube link in the OP.
The recoil is moderated to the point that it is controllable.

It looks big and heavy, but so is a squad automatic.
It fits certain needs, but to be honest, I don't have any of those needs. For me, my 870 fits what I need (for a shotgun).

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[PhreeZone 20]

Look at the Youtube video posted. The recoil really is minimal and they are able to keep on target through the entire 8 round magazine (It also has 20 round drums). Also it clears the 8 rounds in about 2.7 seconds, that's far faster then any home extension will be able to cycle.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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See that little symbol on the end of the sentence? That's a question mark. Hence, it's not putting words in your mouth,

Did you finally stop raping women JR?
Did you get acquited for murder JR?
When were you discharged from the Mental Hospital JR?
When did you get those feelings that you just have to suck dick?
When did you become a terrorist and start hating America?

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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See that little symbol on the end of the sentence? That's a question mark. Hence, it's not putting words in your mouth,

Did you finally stop raping women JR?
Did you get acquited for murder JR?
When were you discharged from the Mental Hospital JR?
When did you get those feelings that you just have to suck dick?
When did you become a terrorist and start hating America?

Good grief and you accused me of being on acid?
What does this rant have to do with the AA12?

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Nothing, just proving that even with a question mark at the end of a sentence, you can put words in somebody's mouth, so to speak.

[mnealtx 0]

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Nothing, just proving that even with a question mark at the end of a sentence, you can put words in somebody's mouth, so to speak.

Except that, in JR's case, he was addressing something that was actually SAID - unlike your examples.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Except that, in JR's case, he was addressing something that was actually SAID - unlike your examples.

So? All those questions result in a person defending a statement they never made, which is also known as putting words in somebody's mouth.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Back on topic ...

This thread was supposed to be about the (not your grandfather's) shotgun, the AA12.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[billvon 3,080]

Your one warning. Cut it out.

(And no, to both John and Dekker - putting a question mark on the end of a sentence does not make it OK to put anything you want before it.)

[georgerussia 0]

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When are you finally going to stop putting words in someone's mouth?

See that little symbol on the end of the sentence? That's a question mark. Hence, it's not putting words in your mouth, it's asking you a question.

See that little symbol on the end of MY reply? That's a question mark. I even highlighted it for you. Hence I'm not saying you're putting words in my mouth, I'm asking you a question!

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Let's try again. What did you mean when you said;

"Also it would be fun visiting that place where open-carry nuts crowd gets together while carrying a nice bazooka. Maybe some of them would immediately get an idea that just maybe open carry is not really a good idea."

That is what I wrote, and it is pretty clear. I guess some of them may feel uncomfortable if someone brings a bazooka there, but it is obvious they should not. They must know that bazookas to not kill people, criminals do. And they must know they should restrict CRIMINAL, and not a TOOL.

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Do you have a fantasy of blowing up a bunch of gun carry folks with a bazooka?

And how is it connected with what I wrote? Have you stopped beating your wife?

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[georgerussia 0]

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Except that, in JR's case, he was addressing something that was actually SAID - unlike your examples.

You think so? Can you show me where exactly I was talking about blowing people?

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

Focus George focus ...

This thread is NOT a gun control thread. This thread is about the AA12.

Now if someone thinks the AA12 is too powerful to allow the public access to it, then by all means that is okay to chime in and say so. Also if someone thinks the AA12 should be available to the public, then they too can make their case. If someone thinks the AA12 has competition with another firearm, then please tell us about it. Thanks to others who contributed I now know about the Saiga.

But stick to your "ALL GUNS MUST BE BANNED" ideology in the existing gun control threads.

This thread is about the AA12.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[quade 4]

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This thread is NOT a gun control thread. This thread is about the AA12.

I thought that technically all threads were actually about pie?

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

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This thread is NOT a gun control thread. This thread is about the AA12.

I thought that technically all threads were actually about pie?

You are one of the moderators, you tell me.
I have no power here.

Just trying to do what I can to keep things on topic.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[JohnnyD 0]

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I thought that technically all threads were actually about pie?

If the strawman was eating a red herring pie while climbing the slippery slope of authoritarian appeal and a tree fell in speakers corner would anyone hear it?

No, and it doesn't matter anyway because it is 's fault.

Hitler./thread

[FreeflyChile 0]

The cake is a lie.

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This thread is NOT a gun control thread. This thread is about the AA12.

I thought that technically all threads were actually about pie?

You are one of the moderators, you tell me. I have no power here.
Just trying to do what I can to keep things on topic.

I see. And yet you proclaim that a person can't talk about gun control when speaking also of this weapon?

Sorry, but I think the two are inextricably linked.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Gun control of this specific weapon? Absolutely ... talk away about the AA12.

Gun Control of all weapons?

Well you have censorship powers here I do not have.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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I see. And yet you proclaim that a person can't talk about gun control when speaking also of this weapon?

Sorry, but I think the two are inextricably linked.

No, not necessarily. The "gun nuts" want to talk about the technical and asthetic aspects of this particular (somewhat silly and over-the-top IMO) shotgun. Not every "gun" thread needs to be about gun rights.

But some virulently anti-gun posters wish to chime in as to why this particular gun should be unavailable to the general public. IIRC, there was a very expensive semi-auto only version of the Atchisson out (late 80's/early 90's) that was not too well made. It was classed as "AOW" by the BATF at the same time as the Street Sweeper and the SPAS-12.

And some hoplophobes will always make a comment in any gun related thread about how bad guns are, how insane the "gun nuts" are, and how much better off the world would be if there weren't any guns.

And then those who feed the trolls respond and it turns into THIS

Typical SC

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[CMiller 1]

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>The US military would be smart to prohibit access to this shotgun to
>only those inside of their trusted circles.

Why? Why deny people the right to defend themselves? I mean, if a dozen heavily armored robots attacked your house, the ability to shoot twelve HE grenades in under eight seconds could mean the difference between life and death for you and your family!

All these gun-o-phobes here on SC, never seeing the big picture.

It's not always about defense. What about sport? Maybe some people have a ton of fun blowing the shit out of barrels in their backyards.

[vanair 0]

Hey,
Did anyone look up this rifle? It's a major leap forward!!!!

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Well you have censorship powers here I do not have.

I have, but don't use the censorship you wish you had.

Ironic eh?

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

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It's not always about defense. What about sport? Maybe some people have a ton of fun blowing the shit out of barrels in their backyards.

Did you ever play with Tannerite?

That cna be some fun stuff!!

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo