airdvr 210 #1 February 8, 2010 The neo-Nazi National Democratic Party will be allowed to distribute CDs outside schools with interviews and music by party members because authorities have no legal grounds to stop them, a report said Saturday. The Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons said the disc merely contained political opinions, daily Süddeutsche Zeitung reported. http://www.thelocal.de/national/20100206-25077.htmlPlease don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 February 8, 2010 QuoteThe neo-Nazi National Democratic Party will be allowed to distribute CDs outside schools with interviews and music by party members because authorities have no legal grounds to stop them, a report said Saturday. The Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons said the disc merely contained political opinions, daily Süddeutsche Zeitung reported. http://www.thelocal.de/national/20100206-25077.html ***The NPD is Germany's leading far-right party Hmm maybe they can get sister Sarah and company on board... sounds like they believe in "Family Values" too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #3 February 8, 2010 Good. Free speech is a good thing. I thought that in Germany anything to do with the Nazis was not permitted. Or is that just discussion of the Nazi regime in the 30s/40s, not their philosophies? Tackle bad speech with good speech. These students are going to face examples like this in their life, start preparing them now for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #4 February 8, 2010 Quote Good. Free speech is a good thing. I thought that in Germany anything to do with the Nazis was not permitted. Or is that just discussion of the Nazi regime in the 30s/40s, not their philosophies? Tackle bad speech with good speech. These students are going to face examples like this in their life, start preparing them now for it. Not *anything to do with the Nazis* is complety banned. Let them talk, those groups just are under close monitoring of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution. That's fully OK for us. The biggest Nazi parties are not from/in Germany. You surely know that. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #5 February 8, 2010 In Germany they can do whatever they like. But if it were here in the US, then this would be completely inappropriate on school grounds. But on the sidewalk next to the school? No problem. (Of course, anti-Nazi protesters have just as much of a right to be there.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #6 February 8, 2010 QuoteFederal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons Say WHAT? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #7 February 8, 2010 Quote In Germany they can do whatever they like. .... If you mean: They (the Germans) can do whatever they like (it's not my deal): OK. Otherwise: No. We let them gather wherever they want, talk in thier local meetings but, do not allow them to enjoy the freedom of speech as it's granted for the rest of German population. They are no accepted part of our society. They never will have a chance to put a foot on any school yard. Impossible. The Nazi party influence in Germany is quite low. The US and France do have much stronger parties. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #8 February 8, 2010 Quote Not *anything to do with the Nazis* is complety banned. Let them talk, those groups just are under close monitoring of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution. That's fully OK for us. Just trying to reconcile with past conversations. So the nazi types have free speech, but those damn Scientologists must be gagged?! Seems confusing. Why not let all of them talk? Quote The biggest Nazi parties are not from/in Germany. You surely know that. Sure, when your population is only 82M, it's likely to be true. But have no illusion that the term will ever be more greatly associated with some other nation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 February 8, 2010 Quote We let them gather wherever they want, talk in thier local meetings but, do not allow them to enjoy the freedom of speech as it's granted for the rest of German population. They are no accepted part of our society. Ah, this sounds more like the past conversations. Long live unequal speech! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #10 February 8, 2010 Quote The biggest Nazi parties are not from/in Germany. You surely know that. Sure, when your population is only 82M, it's likely to be true. But have no illusion that the term will ever be more greatly associated with some other nation. No illusion. Facts. That term already IS associated with the US. In present times. Your Nazi guys are doing their best to be known worldwide. That has nothing to do with our small population of about 80 millions. Why do you guys love those Nazi parties in your country that much? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #11 February 8, 2010 Quote Why do you guys love those Nazi parties in your country that much? We love free speech. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #12 February 8, 2010 Quote Quote Why do you guys love those Nazi parties in your country that much? We love free speech. Yep. We did, too. Many decades ago. We learned the hard way. And why are you still bashing us for that at every given chance??? Upshot: Your reply is just babble. You seem not to know what you're talking about. Can't take that serious. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 February 8, 2010 Quote And why are you still bashing us for that at every given chance??? Yes, I can't respect Germany's lack of regard for basic freedoms like speech or religion. It's the wrong response to the WWI/II experience. "Nazis" (whatever that word really means now) exist in the US and are pretty much irrelevant since before winning the right to march in Skokie. On topic, I think it's short sided to try to protect school children from a complicated world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #14 February 8, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Why do you guys love those Nazi parties in your country that much? We love free speech. Yep. We did, too. Many decades ago. We learned the hard way. And why are you still bashing us for that at every given chance??? Upshot: Your reply is just babble. You seem not to know what you're talking about. Can't take that serious. Let me help you to understand a bit. Even with all of our warts the U.S. never allowed someone to come into power who wanted to rule the world and nearly wiped out entire races. I have a problem with someone from Germany pointing the finger at the U.S. and shouting racist.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #15 February 8, 2010 QuoteQuote And why are you still bashing us for that at every given chance??? Yes, I can't respect Germany's lack of regard for basic freedoms like speech or religion. It's the wrong response to the WWI/II experience. "Nazis" (whatever that word really means now) exist in the US and are pretty much irrelevant since before winning the right to march in Skokie. On topic, I think it's short sided to try to protect school children from a complicated world. It's short sided to talk about a *lack of regard for basic freedoms .....*. Jesus, where do you live? Have you ever been here or know anything ... ah well, forget about the rest. You know nothing. Obviously. And not much more about Germany or perhaps Europe. Leave your country. Apply for a passport. Go out and smell the world outside. Then come back and talk. What a twaddle. Toe-curling. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #16 February 8, 2010 >If you mean: They (the Germans) can do whatever they like. Yes. Allow more or less free speech; it's your country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #17 February 8, 2010 Quote Quote Why do you guys love those Nazi parties in your country that much? We love free speech. With free speech comes responsibility. Many of our 'freedoms' have been stretched to the breaking point. Freedom of speech is probably at the top of the list. Do you believe that people in the U.S., have the right to incite riots (as an example) through 'freedom of speech'? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #18 February 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Why do you guys love those Nazi parties in your country that much? We love free speech. Yep. We did, too. Many decades ago. We learned the hard way. And why are you still bashing us for that at every given chance??? Upshot: Your reply is just babble. You seem not to know what you're talking about. Can't take that serious. Let me help you to understand a bit. Even with all of our warts the U.S. never allowed someone to come into power who wanted to rule the world and nearly wiped out entire races. Paleface speak with forked tongue. "Manifest Destiny" had us on quite a roll for rather a while. When it comes to hegemony, the NSDAP were rank amateurs compared to some of the fearless leaders we have put in place. Ignorance of the whys and wherefores of the rise of the Third Reich concerns me. To paint them as all evil, and their enemies as pure as the driven snow, is too simplistic. In any event, the US of A has in place policies regarding the treatment of the original inhabitants of this land that are worse that anything that is imposed on jews in, say, Iran (okay, so I cherry-picked). BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #19 February 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Why do you guys love those Nazi parties in your country that much? We love free speech. With free speech comes responsibility. Many of our 'freedoms' have been stretched to the breaking point. Freedom of speech is probably at the top of the list. Do you believe that people in the U.S., have the right to incite riots (as an example) through 'freedom of speech'? Chuck Uh huh, flag burning fits under there as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #20 February 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Why do you guys love those Nazi parties in your country that much? We love free speech. With free speech comes responsibility. Many of our 'freedoms' have been stretched to the breaking point. Freedom of speech is probably at the top of the list. Do you believe that people in the U.S., have the right to incite riots (as an example) through 'freedom of speech'? Chuck Inciting riots or stampedes are not protected as those actions infringe on the rights of others. But you do not have a right to not be offended by others. Passing out propaganda outside the school is not inciting a riot. And yes, flag burning is fine too, with the exception of where it presents a fire hazard. Ex: burning a flag inside a fireworks factory presents obvious safety issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #21 February 9, 2010 Are they Illinois Nazis? http://vodpod.com/watch/841650-encounter-with-nazis Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #22 February 9, 2010 Sad to say. I learned that back in the '60's. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #23 February 9, 2010 The German solution to history... http://flimmr.passagen.se/movie/family_guy_germany.action Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #24 February 9, 2010 Quote It's short sided to talk about a *lack of regard for basic freedoms .....*. Jesus, where do you live? Have you ever been here or know anything ... ah well, forget about the rest. You know nothing. Obviously. And not much more about Germany or perhaps Europe. Leave your country. Apply for a passport. Go out and smell the world outside. Then come back and talk. What a twaddle. Toe-curling. If you can call me a twaddle, can I call you a [pre edited slam]? In the past 15 months I've been as far east as Warsaw, as far west as the Andaman Sea and as far south as Peru, as far north as London. 9 countries on 3 continents that do not include my own (including Germany, btw). Where the did you go in this time, aside from a few book burning rallies? Know-nothings are the people who say things like "you can talk all you want in private, but society doesn't have to let you talk publicly. That's free enough speech. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #25 February 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Why do you guys love those Nazi parties in your country that much? We love free speech. With free speech comes responsibility. Many of our 'freedoms' have been stretched to the breaking point. Freedom of speech is probably at the top of the list. Do you believe that people in the U.S., have the right to incite riots (as an example) through 'freedom of speech'? Chuck Inciting riots or stampedes are not protected as those actions infringe on the rights of others. But you do not have a right to not be offended by others. Passing out propaganda outside the school is not inciting a riot. And yes, flag burning is fine too, with the exception of where it presents a fire hazard. Ex: burning a flag inside a fireworks factory presents obvious safety issues. As I said, I only used 'inciting a riot' as an example. What if, that propaganda being passed out, I found offensive? Kids need to be allowed to be kids and don't need some whack-job trying to push their point of view down their throats. Perfect example of 'just say no'. My point was, our 'freedoms' are being stretched to the breaking point. Where does it stop? I reserve the right to knock some klansman or neo-nazi on his ass if he tried to hand my kid his propaganda! Freedom of expression! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
