dreamdancer 0 #1 February 8, 2010 not a nice man... QuoteHere’s a horrific story: A 27-year-old soldier in Tacoma, Washington has allegedly admitted to police that he waterboarded his four-year-old daughter – mere weeks after winning custody of her — because she could not recite the alphabet. According to the UK Daily Mail, the soldier, Joshua Tabor, “admitted to police he had used the CIA torture technique because he was so angry.” As his daughter ’squirmed’ to get away, Tabor said he submerged her face three or four times until the water was lapping around her forehead and jawline. It’s not clear whether Tabor has served in Iraq or Afghanistan — the soldiers at his military base have served in both — but there’s little doubt that he is a very disturbed individual. Tabor was initially arrested after “being seen walking around his neighborhood wearing a Kevlar military helmet and threatening to break windows.” Police discovered the alleged waterboarding when they went to his home in the Tacoma suburb of Yelm and spoke to his girlfriend. She told them about the alleged torture and the terrified girl was found hiding in a closet, with bruising on her back and scratch marks on her neck and throat. Asked how she got the bruises, the girl is said to have replied: ‘Daddy did it.’ http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/02/08/soldier-admits-to-waterboarding-4-year-old-daughter-because-she-could-not-recite-alphabet/stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 February 8, 2010 http://yelmonline.com/articles/2010/02/05/local_news/doc4b6cb6e6ad980888058536.txt I would REALLLLY like to get my hands on some of the people who thought that teaching that crap to our people for use on the "enemy" was a good idea...just a couple hours... to demonstrate to them on a VERY personal level what it feels like.This fucker needs some time in prison to contemplate his life.Maybe bubba will help him with some toilet waterboarding while he is there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #3 February 8, 2010 Yup that'll lern her real good BubbaWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #4 February 8, 2010 Quote http://yelmonline.com/articles/2010/02/05/local_news/doc4b6cb6e6ad980888058536.txt I would REALLLLY like to get my hands on some of the people who thought that teaching that crap to our people for use on the "enemy" was a good idea...just a couple hours... to demonstrate to them on a VERY personal level what it feels like.This fucker needs some time in prison to contemplate his life.Maybe bubba will help him with some toilet waterboarding while he is there. While dispicable for sure I don't think what he did is 'waterboarding'. Sounds more like what we used to call a 'swirly' without the flush. http://science.howstuffworks.com/water-boarding.htmPlease don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #5 February 8, 2010 QuoteWhile dispicable for sure I don't think what he did is 'waterboarding'. Sounds more like what we used to call a 'swirly' without the flush. Agreed. Media outlets who want to complain about waterboarding will continue to go off on tangents about it in every story that comes up involving water and military personnel for the foreseeable future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #6 February 8, 2010 why would he admit to it if you say he didn't actually do it? doesn't make sense to me. he must of done it.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #7 February 8, 2010 Quotewhy would he admit to it if you say he didn't actually do it? doesn't make sense to me. he must of done it. I don't think anyone up-thread said he didn't do what he admitted he did; they were just discussing the semantics of what it should be called. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #8 February 8, 2010 QuoteAgreed. Media outlets who want to complain about waterboarding will continue to go off on tangents about it in every story that comes up involving water and military personnel for the foreseeable future. Just because it doesn't fit George Bush's definition, doesn't mean it's not the same. You don't have to tie a 4-year old to a rack to drown them. An adult can immobilize and drown a four-year old without all the accoutrements that the CIA used on their victims.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #9 February 8, 2010 Since this technique is supposedly very effective and should be used to gain intelligence. Was his daughter able to recite her ABC's after? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #10 February 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteAgreed. Media outlets who want to complain about waterboarding will continue to go off on tangents about it in every story that comes up involving water and military personnel for the foreseeable future. Just because it doesn't fit George Bush's definition, doesn't mean it's not the same. You don't have to tie a 4-year old to a rack to drown them. An adult can immobilize and drown a four-year old without all the accoutrements that the CIA used on their victims. MOTO...thanks for pointing that out to us. I'll maintain that this is not waterboarding...it's an asshat parent attempting to drown their child in a toilet...big difference.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #11 February 8, 2010 What this is is a sad reminder of the damage we do to our service men and women by asking them to go to war; some of them will not handle it. I imagine this guy had issues long before he joined the service, but we can't use that as excuse to ignore the effects of war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #12 February 8, 2010 Quoteit's an asshat parent attempting to drown their child in a toilet...big difference. How do you get toilet from "bowl of water"? Not that it really matters wrt to the asshat part.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #13 February 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteit's an asshat parent attempting to drown their child in a toilet...big difference. How do you get toilet from "bowl of water"? Not that it really matters wrt to the asshat part. Oops...ur right. No toilet. Thought I read that it was.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #14 February 9, 2010 I would REALLLLY like to get my hands on some of the people who thought that teaching that crap to our people for use on the "enemy" was a good idea...just a couple hours... to demonstrate to them on a VERY personal level what it feels like.*** Really woman? You have to turn a story about a piece of shit father into an anti-war protest? Get a life. History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #15 February 9, 2010 Waterboarding proliferation. It was bound to happen. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #16 February 9, 2010 Your one warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 280 #17 February 9, 2010 Quote Agreed. Media outlets who want to complain about waterboarding will continue to go off on tangents about it in every story that comes up involving water and military personnel for the foreseeable future. Could be. After all, as long as the kid was declared an Enemy Combatant it's all OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 February 9, 2010 Quote I would REALLLLY like to get my hands on some of the people who thought that teaching that crap to our people for use on the "enemy" was a good idea...just a couple hours... to demonstrate to them on a VERY personal level what it feels like.*** Really woman? You have to turn a story about a piece of shit father into an anti-war protest? Get a life. I got one.. now its your turn... ... mmmmkkkSome people were bright enough to realize what a clusterfuck looks like BEFORE sending off a bunch of kids to their deaths. To bad it was not all the fucking chickenhawks who have profited so handsomely from Iraq. Basically your excellent little adventure in Iraq did not go so well for the 4000+ that did not make it home. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #19 February 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteAgreed. Media outlets who want to complain about waterboarding will continue to go off on tangents about it in every story that comes up involving water and military personnel for the foreseeable future. Just because it doesn't fit George Bush's definition, doesn't mean it's not the same. You don't have to tie a 4-year old to a rack to drown them. An adult can immobilize and drown a four-year old without all the accoutrements that the CIA used on their victims. Dunking someone's face in a basin of water isn't waterboarding. Neither is sitting someone up in a chair, putting a blindfold on them, and spraying them in the face wtih a garden hose. Yes, these are non-trivial distinctions. I'm against waterboarding, and I think it is a form of torture. I'm also against beating children and dunking their faces in basins of water. I'm also against reacting in the way the media would have you because they chose to use a particular term even though there are material problems with doing so. For example, the article in the OP goes off talking about waterboarding and how it was a CIA interrogation method and speculates about whether this guy was in Iraq or Afghanistan before it bothers to talk about the girl's condition or that she'd also been beaten. I think that's a messed up way to report the story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,486 #20 February 9, 2010 There was a time when the military took "care" of its own. They were called, "Bunk Adapter Parties." And, one need not be in their bunk to receive one.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #21 February 9, 2010 well... had the kid recited her alphabet properly, we wouldn't be here discussing about waterboarding *runs and tries to hide from Amazon and her chainsaw* scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
