georgerussia 0 #101 February 9, 2010 Quote Over seventy million people have paid for their lives through purges by corrupt governments which followed the enactment of gun control laws. And a lot of them had guns. You know, at least in Russia a significant number of those were Army officers (up to General rank) were arrested, some shot. They obviously had access to guns. Did it help?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #102 February 9, 2010 was there a reduction in crime as the government collected those guns? If so, can it be attributed to something other than the collection of guns or is it the only contributing factor? Are there even stats on that during that time period?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #103 February 9, 2010 Quote was there a reduction in crime as the government collected those guns? If so, can it be attributed to something other than the collection of guns or is it the only contributing factor? Are there even stats on that during that time period? Speaking of post-WWI Russia, there was indeed significant reduction, but it was mostly attributed to increased "CH/K" power (FBI-like law enforcement, predecessor of KGB). First years the government really didn't concentrate on street crime, trying to resolve internal issues (i.e. who will be the Party leader after Lenin dies), and while large cities were disarmed, nobody really cared for small villages. This didn't change even after 1932-33 after several acts of armed disobedience - a bunch of people could not stand against organized army. I just ordered several books based on recent archive data (a lot of Russian and Ukrainian archives opened in 2008-2009, but it takes a lot of time to analyze the data), and probably this year they'd release even more. For Germany the Nazi government actually made it easier for people to own guns (except Jews, of course), so speaking about "disarming" would be incorrect. Shirer mentions more order and less crime, but of course he doesn't provide any numbers. However considering German accuracy, I'm sure they have this data - probably they even published it, but I cannot read German so I have to rely on translated sources. In short, when a dictatorship government is set up, it is easy to see the changes (usually less crime), but it is difficult to attribute this directly to something, as a lot of things typically change simultaneously and very fast.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #104 February 9, 2010 QuoteIncorrect. You may have presumed I did, and if so, you presumed wrong. I take that as you being either unwilling or unable to discuss the rest of the post. Can't say I am surprised. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #105 February 10, 2010 Quote>invite them in for tea and cookies? I have once again made the mistake of trying to have a serious conversation with someone in SC. I should know better; sorry. Maybe you should have thought of that BEFORE you engaged the hyperbole circuit.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #106 February 10, 2010 QuoteYeah, um, no reason to clarify that! That is correct. http://www.largo.org/literary.html Quote[Schulman:] "(3) Is the right of the people to keep and bear arms conditioned upon whether or not a well regulated militia, is, in fact necessary to the security of a free State, and if that condition is not existing, is the statement 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed' null and void?" [Copperud:] "(3) No such condition is expressed or implied. The right to keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence of a militia. No condition is stated or implied as to the relation of the right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well-regulated militia as a requisite to the security of a free state. The right to keep and bear arms is deemed unconditional by the entire sentence." http://hematite.com/dragon/senaterpt.html QuoteThe conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
