Andy9o8 2 #51 February 10, 2010 Quote You could also refer to me as a Scottish-American as I have roots in Scotland, but I have never been there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote(mainly to Erroll): It's a classic example of the inexactitude of colloqiual language, for it does not simply mean pre-immigration heritage from Africa (akin to "Italian-American", for example), it implies exclusively black African - in other words, in American parlance, Saharan Arabs or Caucasian South Africans or Zimbabweans who immigrate to the US would not be commonly called "African American", even though technically they clearly are. To a pedant like me, it gives me an allergic itch. Who started this nonsense? It sure wasn't European Americans, or South African Americans. Now, if they could trace their linage to a country or a tribe, then, they'd have something to brag about. Most American black people would give their eye-teeth to know specifically where and from which tribes their African ancestors were kidnapped from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #52 February 10, 2010 Quoteblack people would .... their African ancestors the politically correct term for those ancestors is: African-Africans ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #53 February 10, 2010 QuoteMost American black people would give their eye-teeth to know specifically where and from which tribes their African ancestors were kidnapped from. As long as they realize it was "African" slave traders who did the kidnapping. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #54 February 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteMost American black people would give their eye-teeth to know specifically where and from which tribes their African ancestors were kidnapped from. As long as they realize it was "African" slave traders who did the kidnapping. I'd change "did" to "collaborated with". Actually I don't really care about the semantics, as long as the facts are understood. Yes, some unscrupulous locals collaborated with and/or participated in the African slave trade to North America. But it was principally a white European/American enterprise. All of which is irrelevant to the fact that genealogical history has been lost. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #55 February 10, 2010 Quote Quote Most American black people would give their eye-teeth to know specifically where and from which tribes their African ancestors were kidnapped from. As long as they realize it was "African" slave traders who did the kidnapping. and it was european whites who made the profit - lots of lovely dollars (but only for 400 years)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #56 February 10, 2010 What do some of you people want? There are injustices going on all over the place (past and present). There has always been a ruling class and contrary to what leftists think, there will continue to be a ruling class. If you are not part of the Bilderberg Group (I am not part of it), then you are NOT part of the ruling class moving forward. Don't blame me a white male for what happened in Africa centuries ago just as don't blame modern day Germans for what the Nazis did, etc, etc, etc. Racism is not good ... but ... "Affirmative Action" is also not good. I wish people would just start taking responsibility for their own actions for a change and stop relying on governments to manage every aspect of your lives. Sure there may be some racist Tea Party folks, but there are racists all over the place. I live in a part of my city dominated by the Chinese and you better believe that they practice their own form of racism. Since I myself am not Chinese, my neighbors want nothing to do with me and they do whatever is in their power to ensure I am excluded from their community. But just because the Chinese won't give me the time of day, doesn't mean I need to view myself as a victim. Suck it up cup cakes. Stop viewing yourselves as victims and stop trying to label the present generation as responsible for what people who are no longer alive did in the past. Sure we can recognize past injustices and not try to repeat them. But this white male (as well as the present day whites in Europe and NA) had nothing to do with the African slave trade hundreds of years ago. Good grief ... Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #57 February 10, 2010 you're the one who's making a big thing of it - and the teabaggers of course. europeans can't help feeling superior - they have bigger guns after all.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #58 February 10, 2010 Quoteyou're the one who's making a big thing of it Big thing of what? I wasn't even contributing to this thread until someone decided they absolutely needed to bring up something that happened hundreds of years ago. Then I stepped in saying the "African Slave Traders were responsible for uprooting Africans". WTF does African Slaves have to do with modern day Tea Baggers? Want to talk about racism in the modern world, then yes let's talk about racism in the modern world. Racism exists in many cultures. It's just popular among Leftists to bash white racism since bashing the other racism does not mesh with "affirmative action" idealogy. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #59 February 10, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Most American black people would give their eye-teeth to know specifically where and from which tribes their African ancestors were kidnapped from. As long as they realize it was "African" slave traders who did the kidnapping. and it was european whites who made the profit - lots of lovely dollars (but only for 400 years) And African blacks made a profit as well. The Ashanti, for example. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #60 February 10, 2010 Quote Quote you're the one who's making a big thing of it Big thing of what? I wasn't even contributing to this thread until someone decided they absolutely needed to bring up something that happened hundreds of years ago. Then I stepped in saying the "African Slave Traders were responsible for uprooting Africans". WTF does African Slaves have to do with modern day Tea Baggers? Want to talk about racism in the modern world, then yes let's talk about racism in the modern world. Racism exists in many cultures. It's just popular among Leftists to bash white racism since bashing the other racism does not mesh with "affirmative action" idealogy. let's talk about teabagger racial resentment - rather than your history of europan slavery (keep up to date now)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #61 February 10, 2010 How about "let's just talk about racism" instead of isolating it to one group. Or do you have your own agenda here where your blinders prevent you from seeing what is going on out there? I don't give a damn what race someone is, what religion they follow (as long as they keep their beliefs to themselves). I do however care that the most qualified person be given the opportunity above all others no matter how politically incorrect, no matter how much against affirmative action it may appear to be. If those who are not the most qualified are not happy with the cards they have been dealt, then I must ask what are they doing about it? Are they being pro-active towards making themselves more talented and more marketable? or are they simply sitting back whining to the world what victims they are and using their racist card. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #62 February 10, 2010 Quote How about "let's just talk about racism" instead of isolating it to one group. Or do you have your own agenda here where your blinders prevent you from seeing what is going on out there? I don't give a damn what race someone is, what religion they follow (as long as they keep their beliefs to themselves). I do however care that the most qualified person be given the opportunity above all others no matter how politically incorrect, no matter how much against affirmative action it may appear to be. If those who are not the most qualified are not happy with the cards they have been dealt, then I must ask what are they doing about it? Are they being pro-active towards making themselves more talented and more marketable? or are they simply sitting back whining to the world what victims they are and using their racist card. once again your resentment is showing. affirmative action is real - live with it and stop whining about it in a thread about teabaggers stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #63 February 10, 2010 Quote affirmative action is real Agreed it is real and it is one of the most brain dead policies Leftist have ever come up with. There are not enough white people in the NBA, there are not enough Orientals in the NBA, there are not enough East Indians in the NBA ... whine whine whine ... Where is the racial equality in the NBA? How come there is no affirmative action in the NBA? Oh I know, maybe there is no racial equality in the NBA because the people running the NBA are not as stupid as the people running governments. There is no affirmative action in the NBA and as a result the best basketball players in the world (regardless of their race) are given the jobs. Yes affirmative action is real, it is real stupid. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #64 February 10, 2010 obviously, you a committed teabagger, are resentful of the consequences of european slavery - affirmative action. my heart bleeds for you.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #65 February 10, 2010 Hey, I dug up this group photo from the archives of the old Negro Hockey League. The whole gang Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #66 February 10, 2010 >Agreed it is real and it is one of the most brain dead policies >Leftist have ever come up with. I think it's done a lot to end segregation. It's hard to imagine the environment that many blacks faced in the 1960's. Many companies had simple "affirmative action" policies of their own - no blacks, period. This went in their ads and was told to prospective employees. In the 1960's, equal-opportunity legislation helped end this sort of prejudice on paper. But in reality it did very little. The same companies took that notice off their ads, and were careful not to say the wrong thing - but the policy was still "no blacks no matter how well qualified." Schools did the same thing. And such actions were justified with circular arguments such as "well, they went to a lousy black school, so they can't possibly be as qualified as someone who went to a better white school." Thus affirmative action was born, an attempt to push a race that we systematically discriminated against over the barriers we put there in the first place. And for the most part it worked. A study by Bowen-Bok showed that affirmative action at universities got more qualified black candidates accepted ("qualified" being defined as a median performance on SAT's) that these students did far better than average than at non-affirmative-action universities and that ending affirmative action at these universities would have dropped black acceptance rates to far below average for the population mix. That being said, the need for affirmative action is dying. Today, someone who was told by the US government that they could not go to a white school would be around 60. And while you can argue that there is still an "uneven playing field" the playing field has been leveled artificially about as much as it can be, and we've done what we could to make sure that there were more opportunities for that 60 year old after we denied them to him as a student. Today most of that discrimination has ended, and the equal-opportunity laws can now do what we relied on affirmative action to do. We should start phasing it out to restore a _truly_ level playing field, and use the EO laws to ensure it stays that way. (BTW given that six republican and three democratic presidents have spearheaded affirmative action legislation, you might want to change your argument to "brain dead policies of the right" if you really feel that way.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #67 February 10, 2010 Quote Hey, I dug up this group photo from the archives of the old Negro Hockey League. The whole gang You forgot to include Willie O'Ree in your picture (as well as forgetting many others). Willie was the first black man to play in the NHL (he made his debut in the 1958 season). Was he a star? No ... he was not good enough to be considered a star player. But he did not play in the NHL because he was black. He played in the NHL because he had the skill and the talent to compete at the NHL level. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #68 February 10, 2010 Quote Hey, I dug up this group photo from the archives of the old Negro Hockey League. The whole gang Good job Andy, you helped make his point!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #69 February 10, 2010 Quote>(BTW given that six republican and three democratic presidents have spearheaded affirmative action legislation, you might want to change your argument to "brain dead policies of the right" if you really feel that way.) absolutely - keeping an outdated law on the books would be touted as stereotype of what 'conservative' policy - so allowing affirmative action to continue is supporting conservative values - much like opposing Soc Security reform is a conservative position therefore, moving forward into a new change paradigm - liberals must support your position that "AA has done all it can do and now is counterproductive to letting EO law do it's thing" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #70 February 10, 2010 meanwhile that white resentment grows... QuoteAt a Tea Party rally in Boone County, Kentucky (roughly 92 percent non-Hispanic white), Congressman Geoff Davis called cap-and-trade legislation "economic colonization of the hardworking states that produce the energy, the food, and the manufactured goods of the heartland, to take that and pay for social programs in the large coastal states." In Tea Party-speak, "heartland" often means "white" -- what Palin calls "the real America" -- while "coastal state" means the urbanized communities that teem with racial minorities, doubling as "gateway states" for Latino immigrants. "Immigrants are 21 percent of the uninsured, but only 7 percent of the population. This means white folks on Medicare or headed there will see benefits curtailed, while new arrivals from the Third World, whence almost all immigrants come, get taxpayer-subsidized health insurance," gripes Patrick Buchanan on his blog. "Any wonder why all those Tea Party and town-hall protests seem to be made up of angry white folks?" http://www.alternet.org/news/145560/white_racial_resentment_bubbles_under_the_surface_of_the_tea_party_movementstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #71 February 10, 2010 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- the black 8 ball -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- hey that was racist. No it's not. It's called an 8 ball and is black cause their average "size" is 8"........ours is only "6". Pool was clearly invented by white women who liked big black dick..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #72 February 10, 2010 QuoteQuote You could also refer to me as a Scottish-American as I have roots in Scotland, but I have never been there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote(mainly to Erroll): It's a classic example of the inexactitude of colloqiual language, for it does not simply mean pre-immigration heritage from Africa (akin to "Italian-American", for example), it implies exclusively black African - in other words, in American parlance, Saharan Arabs or Caucasian South Africans or Zimbabweans who immigrate to the US would not be commonly called "African American", even though technically they clearly are. To a pedant like me, it gives me an allergic itch. Who started this nonsense? It sure wasn't European Americans, or South African Americans. Now, if they could trace their linage to a country or a tribe, then, they'd have something to brag about. Most American black people would give their eye-teeth to know specifically where and from which tribes their African ancestors were kidnapped from. Maybe they should ask there own people that sold them into slavery. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #73 February 10, 2010 More selective quoting and added emphasis from that noted unbiased source, alternet. Might want to get a new pony, you've rode this fucker into the dirt.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #74 February 10, 2010 what's the matter - did i get under your skin stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #75 February 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote You could also refer to me as a Scottish-American as I have roots in Scotland, but I have never been there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote(mainly to Erroll): It's a classic example of the inexactitude of colloqiual language, for it does not simply mean pre-immigration heritage from Africa (akin to "Italian-American", for example), it implies exclusively black African - in other words, in American parlance, Saharan Arabs or Caucasian South Africans or Zimbabweans who immigrate to the US would not be commonly called "African American", even though technically they clearly are. To a pedant like me, it gives me an allergic itch. Who started this nonsense? It sure wasn't European Americans, or South African Americans. Now, if they could trace their linage to a country or a tribe, then, they'd have something to brag about. Most American black people would give their eye-teeth to know specifically where and from which tribes their African ancestors were kidnapped from. Maybe they should ask there (sic) own people that sold them into slavery. Quite bitter, aren't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
