Young Female Cop Shoots Family Dog.

[AggieDave 6]

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That is a problem.

Its a serious problem!

For instance, many people who don't work with that part of society and really have no contact with that part of society don't realize what is going on. The first instance that they knew that dogs were still fought and it was big money was the Michael Vick trial.

That is just the tip of the ice berg. It is also not contained along the racial separations that some people would assume.

This was brought up during the "pit bull" thread and so many people simply did not understand because they had never seen it. That is why cities are trying to ban the breed!

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[kallend 2,151]

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Good questions.
One I would like to add: If the call had been for a fire and not canceled, what would the firefighters have done when confronted by a barking dog of unknown aggressiveness?

Around here the police respond to fire calls in addition to the FD.

I have to say that I find no fault with the cop's response in this case.

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You've got to be kidding, No fault? As mentioned before. Should have called house from outside gate. Could have retreated and shut gate, used mace or baton. When I was younger I was bite on the face by a dog, so I had a fear of dogs. I got over it in my teens by working with a friends brother who trained attack dogs. I had the padded suit on. Learned how to defend from dog attack, actually very easy if you don't panic. Yes a more experienced officer would have handled it differently. Not going to get into the gender thing but a larger stronger person is less likely to be knocked over. Having been an MP, yes I think all cops should be big and strong and would have handled it differently than a 98lb Barney Fife.

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You've got to be kidding, No fault? As mentioned before. Should have called house from outside gate

Next on News At Six-Woman and two children severely beaten as police wait outside for Animal Control officers to arrive.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

I go both ways on this one.

Why didn't the cop notice the sign on the gate, and realize that there were dogs in the yard. Most dogs will protect their territory.
Why didn't the cop retreat (may not have been an option)?
Did the cop have any training in dealing with dogs? (I'm serious about this - defense against dogs isn't hard, but is a very different technique)
There are differences between "warning" behavior and "aggressive/vicious" behavior.

BUT...

Three dogs being aggressive is a very bad situation. I've had to deal with 2 at once, and it was bad. They are usually smart enough to split their attack, making it difficult to defend.

Why were the dogs running loose in the yard (fenced or not) unsupervised.
What if it had been a little kid collecting money for Hati relief? (hint: the kid would have run, displaying very clear prey behavior)

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[kallend 2,151]

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You've got to be kidding, No fault? As mentioned before. Should have called house from outside gate. Could have retreated and shut gate,

Disagree, for reason stated previously by Aggiedave.

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[Belgian_Draft 0]

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You've got to be kidding, No fault? As mentioned before. Should have called house from outside gate. Could have retreated and shut gate, used mace or baton. When I was younger I was bite on the face by a dog, so I had a fear of dogs. I got over it in my teens by working with a friends brother who trained attack dogs. I had the padded suit on. Learned how to defend from dog attack, actually very easy if you don't panic. Yes a more experienced officer would have handled it differently. Not going to get into the gender thing but a larger stronger person is less likely to be knocked over. Having been an MP, yes I think all cops should be big and strong and would have handled it differently than a 98lb Barney Fife.

You are assuming she had those options.

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You've got to be kidding, No fault? As mentioned before. Should have called house from outside gate. Could have retreated and shut gate, used mace or baton. ***

Is any of that dribble serious, or do you just enjoy making mindless statements?

An officer standing 40 feet from a house yelling at the occupants inside, yeah thats an option. Or using the baton, three dogs come at you, a baton is going to do absolutely nothing. And retreating and shutting the gate, come on. What does leaving the property do? There was still a 911 call to be responded to regardless of the situation with the dogs in the yard. I'm a dog person myself and hate to hear that someone's dog was killed, but I see nothing wrong with what the officer did. We have way too many people in here that take everything the police do and try to demonize it. And typically the people that hate the police regardless of what they do are the same assholes that get themselves arrested all the time for doing dumb shit and claim they were the victim. Not pointing any fingers, just saying, usually this blind hatred and disdain for the police is very misguided.

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I am also a dog lover, but I realize that with ownership comes responsibility and certain realities. One of those realities is that certain breeds have justified reputations and those breeds will not be given benefit of the doubt when a situation arrises.

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But for some to say we shouldn't second guess some police actions is absurd.

Considering the SCOTUS implements the exclusionary rule to dissuade polcie misconduct, I agree. Obvioulsy this is not a case of the exclusionary rule, but IMO it could be a highly inappropriate reaction.

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Good questions.
One I would like to add: If the call had been for a fire and not canceled, what would the firefighters have done when confronted by a barking dog of unknown aggressiveness?

Around here the police respond to fire calls in addition to the FD.

I have to say that I find no fault with the cop's response in this case.

I agree, there were no imminent signs of peril according to what was reported. The signage should have made a reasonable person believe that there would be dogs in there; I see her actions, based upon the report, very irresponsible.

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You've got to be kidding, No fault? As mentioned before. Should have called house from outside gate

Next on News At Six-Woman and two children severely beaten as police wait outside for Animal Control officers to arrive.

The problem is that there were no signs of imminent danger reported in the article. Imminency trumps all, without a warrant, whatever, but a cancelled call should be responded to, absent present signs of danger, in a lesser priority in that issues like dogs present should be handled differently. 1 scream coming from the house trumps that, but that wasn't present here as reported.

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Why were the dogs running loose in the yard (fenced or not) unsupervised.
What if it had been a little kid collecting money for Hati relief? (hint: the kid would have run, displaying very clear prey behavior)

I don't see this as relevant, a secured dog in a fenced yard with signage on the closed and latched gate is sufficient for all condions with the reasonable man standard.

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I am also a dog lover, but I realize that with ownership comes responsibility and certain realities. One of those realities is that certain breeds have justified reputations and those breeds will not be given benefit of the doubt when a situation arrises.

This is not an issue of breed, it's an issue of the officer ignoring the signage and not responding properly. Absent exigent circumstances, the appropriate procedure should have been to find another way to check for welfare.

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the reasonable man standard.

Now let's have another look at that thread title.....

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That is a problem.

Its a serious problem!

For instance, many people who don't work with that part of society and really have no contact with that part of society don't realize what is going on. The first instance that they knew that dogs were still fought and it was big money was the Michael Vick trial.

That is just the tip of the ice berg. It is also not contained along the racial separations that some people would assume.

This was brought up during the "pit bull" thread and so many people simply did not understand because they had never seen it. That is why cities are trying to ban the breed!

I was agreeing with you.

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the reasonable man standard.

Now let's have another look at that thread title.....

Since women are entirely unreasonable, they've been unable to establish one for them.

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I am also a dog lover, but I realize that with ownership comes responsibility and certain realities. One of those realities is that certain breeds have justified reputations and those breeds will not be given benefit of the doubt when a situation arrises.

This is not an issue of breed, it's an issue of the officer ignoring the signage and not responding properly. Absent exigent circumstances, the appropriate procedure should have been to find another way to check for welfare.

911 call made. 911 call canceled. Department policy is to respond anyway. "Exigent circumstances" more than likely existed. It's up to the investigators to determine that.
911 calls being canceled when a situation still exists is not rare or isolated by any means. Most departments' policy is to respond as if the call was never canceled, i.e. 911 calls, in effect, cannot be undone.

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[AggieDave 6]

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I was agreeing with you.

And I was re-agreeing with you. Also included is a little more information for others.

I guess sometimes a little is lost via the internet.

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>>And I was re-agreeing with you.

Ok... lets just agree to agree.

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I agree, there were no imminent signs of peril according to what was reported.

And having been an emergency responder faced with an aggressive seeming dog-I took the fucker out, gained entrance-stopped the fire in the laundry room (no visible signs of fire until we kicked the door in, and saved the guys house. I had an EFFECTIVE means of non lethal response to deter the animal unlike tasers or spray which MAY work. Sorry, but my EXPERIENCE with Fido the wonder mutt trumps your OPINION.

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[kallend 2,151]

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Good questions.
One I would like to add: If the call had been for a fire and not canceled, what would the firefighters have done when confronted by a barking dog of unknown aggressiveness?

Around here the police respond to fire calls in addition to the FD.

I have to say that I find no fault with the cop's response in this case.

I agree, there were no imminent signs of peril according to what was reported. The signage should have made a reasonable person believe that there would be dogs in there; I see her actions, based upon the report, very irresponsible.

I think you misread what I wrote.

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That is why cities are trying to ban the breed!

In Denver, it's still illegal to own a pitbull.

I haven't heard a good answer to Kallend's question, yet. What was the officer supposed to do? I doubt the dog was trying to lick her - no reasonable person shoots a dog unless it is being aggressive. Retreating from the house is not a reasonable option in the event of a 911 call - the time it takes to get animal control there and take control of the situation my be too long to save someone's life.

Maybe she could've thrown pebbles at their window from outside the gate?

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Next on News At Six-Woman and two children severely beaten as police wait outside for Animal Control officers to arrive.

Silly answer. If there was no dog and a woman was getting beaten inside, what was the cop going to do?

She should have read the sign, called inside. No answer, enter the property. People don't come out to secure the dogs, enter property.

People come out right away, she get's to establish everything is ok and the dog lives.

The outcome could have been very different without any added risk to anybody, with just some thought and common sense.

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Maybe she could've thrown pebbles at their window from outside the gate?

Call them from outside the gate. I am assuming you have heard of the telephone, it replaced pebbles quite some time ago.