Tax cheats beware: IRS buying sawed-off shotguns

[JohnRich 4]

Here is an IRS solicitation proposal. Quote:

"The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel...

Source: https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=8d3b076bd4de14bbda5aba699e80621d&tab=core&_cview=1&cck=1&au=&ck=

Yes, that's right, a 14-inch barrel - that's four inches shorter than is legal for anyone else to own, without special permission. That's just the kind of barrel length that's so evil that the government decided they should shoot Randy Weaver's wife and son over it. They're ideal for shooting tax cheats as they try to run and hide in their own homes.

Attached: photo of the shotguns being acquired.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

Since the US gov uses the treasury branch as an organized crime fighting force I agree with them being as armed as they want to be.

[quade 4]

News Flash!

Law enforcement can have access to weapons.

Whoopity doo.

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[skycop 0]

Yep,
I carried one of those for a long time.

John, please don't make your pro Second Amendment posts look so whiney. The enforcement branch of the IRS are sworn LEO's. Like the IRS or not, doesn't look like they are going away anytime soon (I wish we'd go value-added or flat tax though).

Much todo about nothing.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[jtnesbitt 0]

I could be wrong but wasn't the CIA originally a project of the Treasury branch?

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

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That's just the kind of barrel length that's so evil that the government decided they should shoot Randy Weaver's wife and son over it.

John you are not telling the whole story here.

The US Marshalls tricked Randy Weaver. The US Marshalls approached Mr Weaver asking him if they could buy a sawed off shotgun from Mr Weaver. Of course Mr Weaver is not 100% innocent. Mr Weaver was dumb enough to sell them a sawed off shotgun. But Vicky Weaver and the Weaver's son would likely still be alive today if the US government had only left the Weaver family alone. Of course the US government would not do that, The US government used their own dirty tricks to coerce Mr Weaver into their own web of lies. The US Marshalls then trespassed on the Weavers land and the US Marshalls lied to the FBI telling them they were under siege and that the FBI needed to bring out their snipers which resulted in the death of Vicky Weaver as she held her infant daughter in her arms. Besides the death of three people (plus one dog), the worst part about Ruby Ridge was how the main stream media lied to the world.

Randy Weaver is NOT innocent, but 3 people would likely still be alive today if certain departments of the US government were not so corrupt.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[billvon 3,116]

The poll needs a "no one really cares what the length of the IRS's shotgun barrels are" option.

[jtnesbitt 0]

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The poll needs a "no one really cares what the length of the IRS's shotgun barrels are" option.

Them be fightin words in Texas

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[JohnRich 4]

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Since the US gov uses the treasury branch as an organized crime fighting force I agree with them being as armed as they want to be.

The IRS collects taxes. They send out nasty letters, garnish paychecks, place levies on homes, and seize expensive cars. At what point during their tax collection duties do they send men armed with sawed-off shotguns? I thought they killed people with accountants, not with 12-gauge double-ought buck shot.

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[JohnnyD 0]

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Since the US gov uses the treasury branch as an organized crime fighting force I agree with them being as armed as they want to be.

The IRS collects taxes. They send out nasty letters, garnish paychecks, place levies on homes, and seize expensive cars. At what point during their tax collection duties do they send men armed with sawed-off shotguns? I thought they killed people with accountants, not with 12-gauge double-ought buck shot.

Really? So you're now pro gun control and pro sending federal agents to seize property and fugitives unarmed?

You build cases with accountants. Field agents carry weapons. Sometimes bean counters are also field agents.

[labrys 0]

The IRS has a Criminal Investigation arm, John:

"CI special agents are duly sworn law enforcement officers who investigate complex financial crimes associated with tax evasion, money laundering, narcotics, organized crime, public corruption, and much more."

Owned by Remi #?

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I could be wrong but wasn't the CIA originally a project of the Treasury branch?

You're thinking of the Secret Service and they still are.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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The poll needs a "no one really cares what the length of the IRS's shotgun barrels are" option.

The answer to that would be that you approve.

The entire point of John's post (or rant, if you prefer) is that the IRS is using a weapon not legal for purchase or ownership by citizens. Is there a compelling reason for this? Doesn't seem like it. These shotguns are easier to use in close quarters, but would be a bit less discriminating in their wider blast. I wonder what munitions they would use them with.

When does the IRS conduct raids, rather than involve LE agencies like ATF, FBI, or the locals? Should the IRS be doing these at all?

[skycop 0]

When does the IRS conduct raids, rather than involve LE agencies like ATF, FBI, or the locals? Should the IRS be doing these at all?***

I've been on several tactical raids where the IRS has been present ( I was a local type SWAT guy). The IRS does initiate it's own investigations, some of them involve violent criminals. One of the best ways to get oraganized crime types is tax-evasion related.
These guys deserve the best tools available, the 870 entry gun is excellent.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[kelpdiver 2]

so your outfit would take the lead on the raid, and the IRS agents would accompany? Is that the normal model?

It wouldn't be appropriate for them to be under equipped in such activities. I would question it if they were doing these on their own.

[kallend 2,148]

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The poll needs a "no one really cares what the length of the IRS's shotgun barrels are" option.

The answer to that would be that you approve.

The entire point of John's post (or rant, if you prefer) is that the IRS is using a weapon not legal for purchase or ownership by citizens. Is there a compelling reason for this? Doesn't seem like it.

The govt. uses howitzers, helicopter gunships and nukes too. Did you have a point?

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[kelpdiver 2]

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The govt. uses howitzers, helicopter gunships and nukes too. Did you have a point?

Not for you.

[rhaig 0]

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Really? So you're now pro gun control and pro sending federal agents to seize property and fugitives unarmed?

isn't that what established law enforcement agencies are for? I don't know what the training and upkeep for a small police force (large enough to need that many shotguns) costs, but I bet it's not trivial.

The IRS is not a law enforcement agency. They're a tax collection agency.

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[billvon 3,116]

>The answer to that would be that you approve.

I don't approve or disapprove. I don't really care one way or the other. It would be like asking a liberal arts major if they approve or disapprove of hydrogen as a primary fuel for scramjets.

>The entire point of John's post (or rant, if you prefer) is that the IRS
>is using a weapon not legal for purchase or ownership by citizens.

Right. And the police drive faster than the speed limit. And the military has nuclear weapons.

>When does the IRS conduct raids, rather than involve LE agencies like
>ATF, FBI, or the locals?

No idea. Do you have some proof that they do such raids without LE support? If so, by all means, post it.

[quade 4]

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It would be like asking a liberal arts major if they approve or disapprove of hydrogen as a primary fuel for scramjets.

Oh sure, like the conservative arts majors would know any better!

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[kelpdiver 2]

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>When does the IRS conduct raids, rather than involve LE agencies like
>ATF, FBI, or the locals?

No idea. Do you have some proof that they do such raids without LE support? If so, by all means, post it.

The "?" at the end of my sentence indicated it was a question, Bill. Not an assertion.

Fortunately we have skycop here who is able to give some information on that.

[JohnnyD 0]

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The IRS is not a law enforcement agency. They're a tax collection agency.

You think? Try not paying your taxes. Do you think they'll send you to the bank?

[labrys 0]

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The IRS is not a law enforcement agency.

Wrong. They most certainly are a law enforcement agency.

Owned by Remi #?

[skycop 0]

They were part of a Task Force of local, state, and federal agencies. We (the local SWAT team) handled the tactical part of the raid, they and other agencies handled post raid details, money, paperwork, ledgers, etc.

***It wouldn't be appropriate for them to be under equipped in such activities. I would question it if they were doing these on their own.***

I'm sure they do raids in conjunction with other agencies, (in our area they didn't) in these cases the entry guns would be appropriate. I don't know if they do their own, I ASSume they do.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"