Andrewwhyte 1 #76 February 6, 2010 QuoteJust for clarity kallend posted the following QuoteTenure does not protect anyone from being fired "for cause". "For cause" would include failing to teach the curriculum of your course and teaching something else instead. Tenure gives no more protection from firing than a typical union contract. Are you caught up now? Yes, he compared tenure at a university to a union contract. You responded by bringing up the Chicago teacher's union. What do teacher's have to do with university tenure? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #77 February 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteJust for clarity kallend posted the following QuoteTenure does not protect anyone from being fired "for cause". "For cause" would include failing to teach the curriculum of your course and teaching something else instead. Tenure gives no more protection from firing than a typical union contract. Are you caught up now? Yes, he compared tenure at a university to a union contract. You responded by bringing up the Chicago teacher's union. What do teacher's have to do with university tenure? Not really as I posted a story about union teachers who are not teaching and getting paid (because the contract they have makes it extremely difficult to fire them.) HE made the comparison between tenure, union contracts, and getting fired. I provide an example from his state that shows his point to not really be true. I also believe HE knows this to be true!!! I have tucked away nearly 10 examples of the same"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #78 February 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteJust for clarity kallend posted the following QuoteTenure does not protect anyone from being fired "for cause". "For cause" would include failing to teach the curriculum of your course and teaching something else instead. Tenure gives no more protection from firing than a typical union contract. Are you caught up now? Yes, he compared tenure at a university to a union contract. You responded by bringing up the Chicago teacher's union. What do teacher's have to do with university tenure? Not really as I posted a story about union teachers who are not teaching and getting paid (because the contract they have makes it extremely difficult to fire them.) HE made the comparison between tenure, union contracts, and getting fired. I provide an example from his state that shows his point to not really be true. I also believe HE knows this to be true!!! I have tucked away nearly 10 examples of the same Still beating up on that straw man?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #79 February 6, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Just for clarity kallend posted the following Quote Tenure does not protect anyone from being fired "for cause". "For cause" would include failing to teach the curriculum of your course and teaching something else instead. Tenure gives no more protection from firing than a typical union contract. Are you caught up now? Yes, he compared tenure at a university to a union contract. You responded by bringing up the Chicago teacher's union. What do teacher's have to do with university tenure? Not really as I posted a story about union teachers who are not teaching and getting paid (because the contract they have makes it extremely difficult to fire them.) HE made the comparison between tenure, union contracts, and getting fired. I provide an example from his state that shows his point to not really be true. I also believe HE knows this to be true!!! I have tucked away nearly 10 examples of the same Still beating up on that straw man? Still ignoring your own post? Maybe you are thinking it was your other ID you use here that made the post comparing tenure to union contracts?Gotta be hard to keep em straight I guess"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #80 February 6, 2010 Quote Nope - private. That's funny right there John and you know it. Wonder how much enrollment would drop if Uncle Sam wasn't offering all of this. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #81 February 6, 2010 QuoteAre you caught up now? I see the difference between "Tenure gives no more protection from firing than a typical union contract" and "tenure and union contracts are alike".* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #82 February 6, 2010 Quote Quote Are you caught up now? I see the difference between "Tenure gives no more protection from firing than a typical union contract" and "tenure and union contracts are alike". Well that is a nice subtlety "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #83 February 6, 2010 Quote Well that is a nice subtlety If you said that "tenure provides similar job protection comparing to a typical union contracts", this would be correct. Note that union contract may still provide more protection which tenure does not. But when you say "tenure is alike (provides all similar terms, not just job protection) with union contracts", this goes too far. Since some of you tend to misquote opponents and after a couple of posts of misquoting tend to forget that it was your interpretation and not original words, it's important to correct the mistake. It is that simple.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #84 February 6, 2010 Quote Quote Well that is a nice subtlety If you said that "tenure provides similar job protection comparing to a typical union contracts", this would be correct. Note that union contract may still provide more protection which tenure does not. But when you say "tenure is alike (provides all similar terms, not just job protection) with union contracts", this goes too far. Since some of you tend to misquote opponents and after a couple of posts of misquoting tend to forget that it was your interpretation and not original words, it's important to correct the mistake. It is that simple. I never said it was alike I did say kallend was wrong in a round about way. That is why he would not answer the question as to whether Chicago teachers were unionized. the reason? they have not been fired for "things" because the union contract protects them for damn near anything. Tenure is similar in that respect. Again, HE made the comparison not me So twist away my friend. If I created the straw man as kallend would like to insinuate then it must be HIS strawman. The only quote I provided was a copy paste of his post. In summary, he stated that tenure offered no more or less "protection" from being fired than a union contract. I only pointed out that this "protection" is more significant than he would have readers here believeNext"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #85 February 6, 2010 Quote I never said it was alike You did it right in post #53 - you asked it as loaded question, assuming that Kallend said that tenure and union contracts are alike while this was not the case. (and then you did it again asking yet another loaded question in #62) And you got the obvious comment - "You could always try reading what is written, instead of what you would like to be written." Quote That is why he would not answer the question as to whether Chicago teachers were unionized. Why should he? He didn't say they are or they aren't. Quote In summary, he stated that tenure offered no more or less "protection" from being fired than a union contract. I only pointed out that this "protection" is more significant than he would have readers here believe And you didn't prove your point.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #86 February 6, 2010 QuoteQuote I never said it was alike You did it right in post #53 - you asked it as loaded question, assuming that Kallend said that tenure and union contracts are alike while this was not the case. (and then you did it again asking yet another loaded question in #62) And you got the obvious comment - "You could always try reading what is written, instead of what you would like to be written." Quote That is why he would not answer the question as to whether Chicago teachers were unionized. Why should he? He didn't say they are or they aren't. Quote In summary, he stated that tenure offered no more or less "protection" from being fired than a union contract. I only pointed out that this "protection" is more significant than he would have readers here believe And you didn't prove your point. My point was proven and yes, is was a loaded question, Just as his comment were. Sucks for him and you he got called on it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #87 February 7, 2010 QuoteMy point was proven You really are reading a different website to the rest of us, aren't you?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #88 February 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteMy point was proven You really are reading a different website to the rest of us, aren't you? www.cloudcuckooland.com maybe?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #89 February 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteMy point was proven You really are reading a different website to the rest of us, aren't you? www.cloudcuckooland.com maybe? Which kallend is this? The John Lott look alike?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #90 February 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteMy point was proven You really are reading a different website to the rest of us, aren't you? www.cloudcuckooland.com maybe? Which kallend is this? The John Lott look alike? QED... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #91 February 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote My point was proven You really are reading a different website to the rest of us, aren't you? www.cloudcuckooland.com maybe? Which kallend is this? The John Lott look alike? QED "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
