Finally "no open carry" at some businesses

[billvon 3,111]

>If a business decided to not allow any blacks in their business
>premises, would that be okay with you?

It wouldn't be OK with me.

If a restaurant decided to exercise their First Amendment rights and celebrate the 9/11 attacks every year, perhaps with a free Flaming Tower dessert, would that be okay with you?

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Or is it okay to discriminate against gun owners, but not blacks?

Yes, as a matter of fact (and law) it is.

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

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Let me know when you at last have something worth to say.

You should watch this YouTube video concerning Canada's "Gun Registry".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XOmUXycDPs
(this video is a few years old, but the message is still valid)

Without knowing who this man is, without knowing some of his other work, it could be easy to write him off as a just another gun loving red neck hick that Liberals like referring to as people who do not buy into their "gun control" ideology. But the funny thing, is the man talking in this video is a Liberal.

Guns are not the problem.

The problem is the criminals who use guns to commit their crimes and kill people.

You are delusional if you think your Holy Grail "Gun Ban" will do anything (if you ever get it, which we know you never will). Criminals do not give a damn about your ideology, nor do they give a damn about my idealogy. Criminals are only concerned about profiting from their crimes and they will get their guns no matter what laws you and your "useless" Liberal politicians pass.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[georgerussia 0]

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Oh, I see - I've hurt your feelings.

You!? You only make me laugh

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Does it make you honorable to take a private message and splash it in public without the author's permission?

Depends on who wrote this message. In this case it is indeed honorable.

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You deserved the private comment. You claimed I said something that wasn't true.

Wow! Surprise, we have a winner! Saying something that is not true is what you do most of the time, and you consider this is enough to call someone a sniveling little lying coward for that? This is extremely honorable! I hope you apply the same standards to yourself as well.

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When called out on out, you tap danced around and refused to admit it.

Which was exactly the same way as you did with UK gun crime statistics. No surprise. If you don't want to provide proof when asked about something you wrote, don't expect anyone else to waste their time either. It is that simple. Which is exactly the same way you do in other threads, chickening out as soon as your "arguments" are trashed by facts.

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This is how gun-control play to try and get what they want, because facts and logic run against them.

That's typical pro-gun agenda - publish a biased article with a stupid poll, throw in some agenda, and then cowardly retire when either the article or agenda is found to be false or incorrect. No surprise - after all, your NRA is just a money laundering operation for arms dealers. It would be naive to expect any kind of honor.

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At least I'll have free reign to tear your arguments apart here, without challenge.

More free circus on the road! Whoappabubba!!!

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Guns are not the problem.
The problem is the criminals who use guns to commit their crimes and kill people.

So can you please tell me how much more violent crimes do you have there in Canada comparing to U.S.? As those dangerous criminals with guns are walking around disarmed population, it should be much easier for them to commit crimes there comparing to Houston, TX where they can have a significant chance to meet armed response. So how is the crime there comparing to U.S.?

I have asked you about it in past, but never remember seeing any reply (if you did reply, please accept my apologies and please point out the post).

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If a business decided to not allow any blacks in their premises, would that be okay with you?
Or is it okay to discriminate against gun owners, but not blacks?

Baloney!

Businesses do not discriminate against gun owners. They discriminate against gun carriers. If you leave your gun at home, they will let you in - although you are still a gun owner. Comparing it with a skin color, which you cannot leave at home, is an utter nonsense.

My company prohibits bringing guns to workplace. So do a lot of the companies here in Bay Area. None prohibits gun owners.

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[aresye 0]

Another FL law that I really enjoy!

If Starbucks decided to prohibit guns from their franchise, and even put up no gun signs on the door, I could still waltz into a Starbucks carrying concealed. Only way I could get into trouble is if someone knew I was carrying, asked me to leave the gun in the car, and I didn't comply.

Plus, if Starbucks made a move like that, who's willing to bet that a lot of franchise locations would start getting robbed more often? Even more so if that big no guns sign was on the door.

Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours.

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Another FL law that I really enjoy!

Those three people would definitely not enjoy this FL law anymore.

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

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I have asked you about it in past

I ignore most of your posts. I think I read about 0.001% of what you write here.

I just see "blah blah blah ... BAN GUNS ... blah blah blah ... THERE WOULD BE NO CRIME IF WE WOULD JUST BAN GUNS ... blah blah blah ... PLEASE BAN GUNS ... blah blah blah".

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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I ignore most of your posts. I think I read about 0.001% of what you write here.

You did not ignore this one. But didn't answer it either. Thank you for confirming that violent crime in Canada is lower than in USA despite (and probably because of) lack of guns.

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I just see "blah blah blah ... BAN GUNS ... blah blah blah ... THERE WOULD BE NO CRIME IF WE WOULD JUST BAN GUNS ... blah blah blah ... PLEASE BAN GUNS ... blah blah blah".

I suggest you see the optometrist. You may fail your gun test! You'll never be able to survive that!

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

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You may fail your gun test!

Too late ... I already passed it.

haha and my plan is working ...
How do you piss off a LIEberal?
Easy ... buy a gun!!!

mmm ... the M14 designed in the 1950s and still used today.

I will send you pictures of it when I get it ...

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[rhaig 0]

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My company prohibits bringing guns to workplace. So do a lot of the companies here in Bay Area. None prohibits gun owners.

but he was asking "what if"

what if I started a business and since I hate cats, decided that cat lovers aren't allowed in my business. (and by "lovers", I mean people who like cats. not people who.... well anyway)

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Thank you for confirming that violent crime in Canada is lower than in USA despite (and probably because of) lack of guns.

Canada's population is 1/10th the population of the USA. For me to come here saying that there is more violent crime in Canada than the USA is outright foolish. How could a nation of 30 million people which shares a common heritage, shares a common border and shares a common economy have more crime than a nation of 300+ million.

Do not talk about Canada as if you think you know Canada because you clearly know squat about what is going on in this country. There are drug gangs (with their illegally obtained) weapons killing fellow gang bangers on a daily basis here. Yet the LIEberal lemmings cry out "BAN GUNS ... BAN GUNS ... ALL GUNS SHOULD BE BANNED ... IF ALL GUNS WERE BANNED THEN NOT A SINGLE PERSON WOULD EVER DIE AGAIN".

You don't get it do you? Handguns have essentially already been BANNED in Canada (you can only own one when you belong to a club and use it at the club for target shooting) and yet on a daily basis people are killing people with their (illegally obtained) handguns.

BARF ...

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what if I started a business and since I hate cats, decided that cat lovers aren't allowed in my business. (and by "lovers", I mean people who like cats. not people who.... well anyway)

But you're comparing apples and oranges. The companies that don't allow open carry on their property aren't discriminating against the PEOPLE, they're discriminating against the objects the people are carrying.

Most restaurants won't let you "open carry" cats either.

There's probably a wide range of OBJECTS you could "open carry" and they'd tell you to leave. Big deal.

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[rhaig 0]

you edited out the first line I typed

"But he was asking what if"

It's a hypothetical.

and if you'll read above you'll already see I've stated that people who carry guns are not a protected minority and discriminating against them is perfectly legal.

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Canada's population is 1/10th the population of the USA. For me to come here saying that there is more violent crime in Canada than the USA is outright foolish.

Indeed - this is why the crime statistics operates with crime rate per 100K, not with absolute numbers.

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How could a nation of 30 million people which shares a common heritage, shares a common border and shares a common economy have more crime than a nation of 300+ million.

"Historically, the violent crime rate in Canada is lower than that of the U.S. and this continues to be the case"

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what if I started a business and since I hate cats, decided that cat lovers aren't allowed in my business.

I don't see why it would be illegal either.

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Consider the reply not -just- directed at you.

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[georgerussia 0]

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How do you piss off a LIEberal?
Easy ... buy a gun!!!

Just be careful.

You seriously think you piss me off when you buy a gun, or go to a shooting range??? Then you probably have a self-esteem problem.

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

How do you piss off a LIEberal?
Easy ... buy a gun!!!

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[georgerussia 0]

Got interesting comment - find the location of the next open carry event, and set up some kind of school nearby (close than 1,000 feet). When the crowd arrives, call the police and have all open carriers arrested for possessing a firearm within a distance of 1,000 feet from the school. Two to five in state prison. Would probably end open carry movement quite fast :)

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[rhaig 0]

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what if I started a business and since I hate cats, decided that cat lovers aren't allowed in my business.

I don't see why it would be illegal either.

It wouldn't, considering my intent...

but that's where it gets tricky. What if my neighbor's religion holds cats to be holy animals. And I don't let him in because he loves cats. One could argue that I was discriminating against him because of his religion.

yeah... completely tangential to the topic of the thread.

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Got interesting comment - find the location of the next open carry event, and set up some kind of school nearby (close than 1,000 feet). When the crowd arrives, call the police and have all open carriers arrested for possessing a firearm within a distance of 1,000 feet from the school. Two to five in state prison. Would probably end open carry movement quite fast :)

what does it take to be legally defined a "school" in CA?

In TX it takes more than renting some space or setting up a booth.

Don't know what you had in mind or how much time/money (beyond the $200 donation you trumpet) you intended to invest.

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[georgerussia 0]

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but that's where it gets tricky. What if my neighbor's religion holds cats to be holy animals. And I don't let him in because he loves cats. One could argue that I was discriminating against him because of his religion.

I guess he won't be able to prove discrimination because of his religion.

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but that's where it gets tricky. What if my neighbor's religion holds cats to be holy animals. And I don't let him in because he loves cats. One could argue that I was discriminating against him because of his religion.

I guess he won't be able to prove discrimination because of his religion.

well, that's up to the judge, but he'd still haul me into court, and assuming he could afford it, bankrupt me and put me out of business, or use it as a threat to get me to change my mind. I'm sick of the court system being abused.

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Rob