Finally "no open carry" at some businesses

[georgerussia 0]

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So you and I basically cancel each other out.

Can you vote in U.S. elections?

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Votes cast in Nov 2008 election on Richmond Prop T: 30,036.
Votes cast for San Ramon prop P, Q: 25391, 24693.

So this means you basically proved yourself wrong when you said in your previous post that there are substantially fewer voters in Richmond, is that right?

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This is a good question. The only problem is that such situations seems to be extremely rare. Local reports suggest that at least some gun owners are only concerned about themselves, so the situation you describe looks quite unrealistic. On the other side, we have all those crimes committed when yet another gun owner went crazy and started shooting others (or into air) - and the number of such crimes seems to be much larger than the number of situations where an armed gun owner saved " those that are against guns or open carry".

I fixed the mistake in emphasis.

Yet another unsupported claim.

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Votes cast in Nov 2008 election on Richmond Prop T: 30,036.
Votes cast for San Ramon prop P, Q: 25391, 24693.

So this means you basically proved yourself wrong when you said in your previous post that there are substantially fewer voters in Richmond, is that right?

Nope, not unless you fail to read what was written. But I know you did, which is why you could only make this tiny citation and think it supports you.

you're not in 4th grade civics, so it's fair to expect a higher level of sophistication from you, even if you prefer arguements based on "it seems real bad to me."

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Most likely yes..... population does not = amount of voters.

A majority of Richmond population (40%) are blacks, so they have no issues with citizenship or so. Those of them who work are very likely to be union as well (and the majority of those who don't is likely to be on welfare - it's a relatively poor city). Just this 40% almost matches the whole San Ramon population. From what I've read, blacks tend to be pretty much politically active here in CA, hence was my question.

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I have my CCW and I do on occasion open carry. I have never had anyone scoff at it nor complain. Most cops just give me the "nod".

Do you open carry an unloaded gun (as those "protesters" do), or do you carry your regular loaded gun?

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I wonder how those that are against guns or open carry would feel if they were in a situation that a gun owner saved them because of some thug coming in to rob this place.

This is a good question. The only problem is that such situations seems to be extremely rare. Local reports suggest that at least some gun owners are only concerned about themselves, so the situation you describe looks quite unrealistic. On the other side, we have all those crimes committed when yet another gun owner went crazy and started shooting others (or into air) - and the number of such crimes seems to be much larger than the number of situations where an armed gun owner saved " those that are against guns or open carry".

I carry loaded with a round chambered! The only way to carry in my opinion.


"yet another gun owner" love this statement..... many crimes with guns are by PEOPLE who have weapons unlawfully.

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So this means you basically proved yourself wrong when you said in your previous post that there are substantially fewer voters in Richmond, is that right?

Nope, not unless you fail to read what was written.

It is extremely clear what is written.

You claimed that there are "substantially fewer voters in Richmond".

Now your own data shows that:

- There are MORE registered voters in Richmond than in San Ramon;
- The number of votes cast in Richmond is HIGHER than in San Ramon;

And you still claim that there are substantially fewer voters in Richmond?

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I carry loaded with a round chambered! The only way to carry in my opinion.

Then it's the different case - those "protesters" open carry unloaded guns with ammo stored separately.

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"yet another gun owner" love this statement..... many crimes with guns are by PEOPLE who have weapons unlawfully.

No surprise as "law-abiding gun owners" provide criminals with like 300K weapons each year by being negligent enough to let them being stolen.

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Yet another unsupported claim.

There was quite a bunch of references to crimes committed by various nutjobs with guns just in Jan 2010.
So far I haven't seen a single recent situation where "a gun owner saved them because of some thug coming in to rob this place".
The data speaks for itself.

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I carry loaded with a round chambered! The only way to carry in my opinion.

Then it's the different case - those "protesters" open carry unloaded guns with ammo stored separately.

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"yet another gun owner" love this statement..... many crimes with guns are by PEOPLE who have weapons unlawfully.

No surprise as "law-abiding gun owners" provide criminals with like 300K weapons each year by being negligent enough to let them being stolen.

So George... if I break in to your house and steal your rig you "let" me steal it?? Ok I see it that would def. be your fault..... what?

If I could only carry with a mag loaded and an empty gun I still would. I would just be practicing a lot differently.

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Yet another unsupported claim.

There was quite a bunch of references to crimes committed by various nutjobs with guns just in Jan 2010.
So far I haven't seen a single recent situation where "a gun owner saved them because of some thug coming in to rob this place".
The data speaks for itself.

Plenty of stories here and elsewhere. You just don't hear about it that much because most of tv news is liberal.

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So George... if I break in to your house and steal your rig you "let" me steal it?? Ok I see it that would def. be your fault..... what?

Different items require different level of security depending on their potential. "Reasonable security" would mean completely different thing if we're talking about nuclear storage facility or shoes storage facility. I haven't heard yet of any violent crimes committed by criminals with stolen skydiving rigs.

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Plenty of stories here and elsewhere. You just don't hear about it that much because most of tv news is liberal.

We do not watch TV at all; we do not even have it.

You can post some relevant news articles. Please find something recent (like past six months or so).

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So George... if I break in to your house and steal your rig you "let" me steal it?? Ok I see it that would def. be your fault..... what?

Different items require different level of security depending on their potential. "Reasonable security" would mean completely different thing if we're talking about nuclear storage facility or shoes storage facility. I haven't heard yet of any violent crimes committed by criminals with stolen skydiving rigs.

Ok.... so you break in to my house and steal one of my guns..... that is my fault?

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Plenty of stories here and elsewhere. You just don't hear about it that much because most of tv news is liberal.

We do not watch TV at all; we do not even have it.

You can post some relevant news articles. Please find something recent (like past six months or so).

oops I meant to attach a link

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/

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Who's living in fear? Having a look around my good old Europe, I deally doubt we're living in fear, unarmed and such.

I feel safe, our policy and police is working quite good - so why do I have to be armed in daily life?


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Then it's the different case - those "protesters" open carry unloaded guns with ammo stored separately.

just how would the children know whether or not the weapon was loaded or unloaded. Isn't this just as frightening to them? I mean... isn't that your whole reason for this rant? "It's scary to the women and children."

But if it's loaded, it's a whole different case?

Can you tell the difference between a loaded and unloaded handgun by looking?

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oops I meant to attach a link
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/

Could you point out a few cases like you describe - when "a gun owner saved others (those against guns) because of some thug coming in to rob this place"? That is exactly what you mentioned here, and this is what I'm interested in.

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Ok.... so you break in to my house and steal one of my guns..... that is my fault?

It may be, or may be not, depending on how well you secured your guns. For example, having them on a table near the window with an open window is a good example of such negligence.

Note that there are cases where the law punishes the victim for not being negligent enough to protect their possessions, even if the possessions got stolen by means of crime (for example, health or financial information).

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But if it's loaded, it's a whole different case?

My point is that carrying a loaded gun at least makes sense "to protect themselves". Carrying unloaded gun? No really different than carrying a strap-on - just to seek attention.

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Ok.... so you break in to my house and steal one of my guns..... that is my fault?

It may be, or may be not, depending on how well you secured your guns. For example, having them on a table near the window with an open window is a good example of such negligence.

Note that there are cases where the law punishes the victim for not being negligent enough to protect their possessions, even if the possessions got stolen by means of crime (for example, health or financial information).

Holy shit you actually said it... unreal. If someone breaks in to my LOCKED home and steals my gun.... that is NOT my fault in any way! You have got to be kidding me...... are you serious?

I really should not be shocked... that is a liberal resonse.

I suppose if someone broke in my locked house and commited a crime with the gun they stole I should be held responsible right? Really? I don't care if there is a spot light on the gun in my front window.... it is still NOT my fault in any way.

Now I obviously do not put a spot light on my guns in windows but I used to leave them on the top of my night stand.

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But if it's loaded, it's a whole different case?

My point is that carrying a loaded gun at least makes sense "to protect themselves". Carrying unloaded gun? No really different than carrying a strap-on - just to seek attention.

Not true... although I see it as much slower it is still beter than nothing at all and if you train that way it is still an option.

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There was quite a bunch of references to crimes committed by various nutjobs with guns just in Jan 2010.
So far I haven't seen a single recent situation where "a gun owner saved them because of some thug coming in to rob this place".
The data speaks for itself.

Plenty of stories here and elsewhere. You just don't hear about it that much because most of tv news is liberal.

Laughing. No, as he points out, he doesn't actually look for any evidence to support it, and rejects any presented to him. Therefore, it's hardly a surprise that, in his personal fortress of life, the bad outnumbers of good.

He's a lost cause, despite his funny claim to having a neutral stance only a few months ago.

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And you still claim that there are substantially fewer voters in Richmond?

you're laboring under the impression (well, actually I doubt it, you just won't admit the difference) that votes are equal.

I found it surprising how high voter turnout is in Richmond (and not just in 2008 with Obama), but voter registration is precisely what would be expected. It sucks. Politicians ignore regions where only 40% can be troubled to register. They pay attention to regions where 2/3rds of the people register.

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Holy shit you actually said it... unreal. If someone breaks in to my LOCKED home and steals my gun.... that is NOT my fault in any way! You have got to be kidding me...... are you serious?

Easy. The jury of your peers would decide if you were negligent (and therefore guilty), or you took all reasonable steps to secure your guns from criminals, and therefore not guilty :)

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Not true... although I see it as much slower it is still beter than nothing at all and if you train that way it is still an option.

Who do you think a robber would shot the first in such a case? I bet it would be the person(s) who open carry.

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