Finally "no open carry" at some businesses

[rushmc 23]

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Since you are here vociferously advocating that guns be banned, and confiscated by nazi-style goon squads, you have an intellectual duty to research the facts and find out the full range of pros and cons of gun ownership.

I already did. My $200 donation to Brady (the one made in your name) was a result of that.

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That earns you zero credibility.

The last thing I care about is my credibility in the eyes of some NRA zealots, who think it's perfectly fine to have shooting sprees and have children killed as long as they can keep their loved guns.

And the value of your opinion about me for me is negative - the more you say I'm wrong, the more I'm sure I am doing the right thing.

LOFL!!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[JohnRich 4]

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You just were beeing impolite and rude.

Would it be rude to call someone a "prehistoric rock"?

How about; "Why does 'brown nose' come to mind every time I read your posts?"

Or maybe; "BS as usual, your posts. Woosh again, reality missed you."

Would those kinds of comments be rude and impolite?

[JohnRich 4]

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What would work is mandatory search.

Drat, there goes that 4th Amendment, and it's restrictions against unreasonable search and seizure...

So now you're okay with eliminating the 2nd and 4th Amendments to the Constitution. Are there any other troublesome rights you wish to get rid of while you're at it?

[JohnRich 4]

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when an opponent provides false information and does not want to admit that he does not have any sources to confirm it (despite his several claims he did)...

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I firmly believe that when someone posted something to prove their position, it is their job to spend time searching... to provide the references. As you can see, I do it myself

Oh the irony!

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3778264;#3776983

[JohnRich 4]

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I shot my gun today...I enjoyed it...now I'm sitting in my living room cleaning it.
I am a maniac...

Me too. I shot in a 1,000 yard match today, with a military "assault weapon". I guess that's why there's so much crime in Houston. Too bad.

[JohnRich 4]

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Funny thing happened today. I am taking the MSF Basic Rider Course to obtain the motorcycle endorsement on my FL driver's license. Our instructor recommended that we also get a concealed weapons permit.

Excellent! If the state can push voter registration on people who get driver's licenses, under so-called "motor voter" legislation, why not also offer other state sponsored services at the same time?

[JohnRich 4]

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My $200 donation to Brady was a result of that.

If you want to throw your good money down the toilet, that's okay with me. Maybe you should have noticed that the Brady bunch is totally unhappy with Obamao for his lack of action for more gun control. And the democrats don't want to touch the issue either, because the last time they did it cost them their majority in the House. Heck, I urge you to send them more money.

Since you claim to have read the Brady web site, you should have seen their report:

"President Obama's First Year: Failed Leadership"
http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/reports/fedleg/obama-1styear-report.pdf

You're swimming against the tide.

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The last thing I care about is my credibility in the eyes of some NRA zealots, who think it's perfectly fine to have shooting sprees and have children killed as long as they can keep their loved guns.

Are you directing that comment towards the people in this forum who disagree with you?

When you start having to throw out the "children" argument, you're really getting desperate. Have you used the phrase "blood in the streets" yet?

[georgerussia 0]

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Drat, there goes that 4th Amendment, and it's restrictions against unreasonable search and seizure...

So now you're okay with eliminating the 2nd and 4th Amendments to the Constitution. Are there any other troublesome rights you wish to get rid of while you're at it?

And yet another strawman post.

Why don't I see you protesting against "unreasonable" searches in airports and courthouses?

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[rushmc 23]

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Drat, there goes that 4th Amendment, and it's restrictions against unreasonable search and seizure...

So now you're okay with eliminating the 2nd and 4th Amendments to the Constitution. Are there any other troublesome rights you wish to get rid of while you're at it?

And yet another strawman post.

Why don't I see you protesting against "unreasonable" searches in airports and courthouses?

Hmmm, I did not know that was the topic of this thread????

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[georgerussia 0]

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If you want to throw your good money down the toilet, that's okay with me.

Good! While couple of hours work is not that big deal, if you consider it "throwing money down the toilet", that means it's likely a good investment.

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[rushmc 23]

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If you want to throw your good money down the toilet, that's okay with me.

Good! While couple of hours work is not that big deal, if you consider it "throwing money down the toilet", that means it's likely a good investment.

LOFL

AGAIN!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[georgerussia 0]

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Hmmm, I did not know that was the topic of this thread????

You probably didn't see that JohnRich replied to the post when me and aresye discussed the prevention of school/military base shooting (there were even examples of "VA-Tech, Fort Hood, Columbine, etc").

It's no surprise JohnRich reply didn't address the actual discussion but just a phrase ripped out of context (but he always does that, no surprise). You, however, usually were more careful when answering.

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[rushmc 23]

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Hmmm, I did not know that was the topic of this thread????

You probably didn't see that JohnRich replied to the post when me and aresye discussed the prevention of school/military base shooting (there were even examples of "VA-Tech, Fort Hood, Columbine, etc").

It's no surprise JohnRich reply didn't address the actual discussion but just a phrase ripped out of context (but he always does that, no surprise). You, however, usually were more careful when answering.

Your butt has got to hurt the way JR has been kicking all around this thread!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[georgerussia 0]

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Your butt has got to hurt the way JR has been kicking all around this thread!

This only might have happened in your NRA-sponsored dreams.

In reality he screwed up dramatically several times, and each time reverted to insults being able to provide the evidence for his empty groundless claims. Which is very typical behavior from any kind of zealots - both gun and religious.

Obviously you prefer not to see it - as your post #193 clearly shows. No surprise.

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[georgerussia 0]

Man accused of fatally shooting ex's new boyfriend

Yet another example of how those Texans use guns to protect themselves from criminal exes who are illegally getting a new (and probably non-redneck) boyfriend!

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I successfully completed my training today in order to obtain a "Possessions and Acquisitions License" up here in Canackistan. I scored 94% on the written test and got a 92% on the practical. Next step is to finish up my paperwork, get a photograph, secure my references (I better NOT use georgerussia as a reference), mail off the application and then wait for fabulous monsterous big government bureaucracy to kick into gear, issue my PAL and then I can go shopping ... just in time for the failed long gun registry to be turfed.

Why did Canada's 2 billion dollar gun registry fail? Because criminals don't register their weapons. But logic like that never stopped a Liberal politician from lying to their nanny state dependent lemmings. After all it is easier to seize the weapons from those evil nasty hunters, those evil nasty target shooters and those hated antique gun collectors instead of enforcing the existing laws that address criminals who use firearms during their crime sprees.

LOL ... I might have to dig up some old threads where myself and JR were having a gun control debates. Wow WTF was I thinking back in those days. Guns don't kill people. Criminals kill, not guns and criminals don't follow whatever gun laws governments pass. Why? Because they are criminals.

I'll be sure to post pictures when I am a legal firearms owner in the not too distant future.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[JohnRich 4]

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Why don't I see you protesting against "unreasonable" searches in airports and courthouses?

So you want to turn the whole country into the equivalent of an "airport security zone"?
"Your papers, please!" (see the attached image)

Sorry, that's not my view of a free America.

Do you realize that more than twice as many people are killed in motor vehicle accidents each year, than are killed by people with guns? Why haven't I seen you protesting against this car carnage? What do you propose be done to stop it?

P.S.
I'm starting a betting pool on how many times you're going to use the word "zealots" over the next week, to describe the people who disagree with you. Anyone want in?

Is everyone who owns a gun a "zealot"?

[JohnRich 4]

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Which is very typical behavior from any kind of zealots - both gun and religious.

Do you want to ban the practice of religion too? Oh my.
Do you hate believers as much as you hate gun owners?

Shall I pull out my Bill of Rights image and put a third "X" mark over the 1st Amendment?

Maybe it would be easier for you if you just tell me which items in the Bill of Rights you actually APPROVE of.

[JohnRich 4]

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(News story) Yet another example of how those Texans use guns to protect themselves from criminal exes who are illegally getting a new (and probably non-redneck) boyfriend!

Is this story supposed to prove something?
News flash: Bad guys kill people. I think we all know that already.

He's only been accused at this point, and he is innocent until proven guilty. Do you want to change that presumption of innocence too? Because that would be a strike against the 5th Amendment, and would put your anti-Bill of Rights count up to four. Pray tell. Don't make me get my "X" out again.

I call your dead boyfriend, and raise you 6 armed robbers:
Two: http://www.wapt.com/news/22403309/detail.html
Two more: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2008-12-25/news/hero25_1_johnson-home-invaders-berlie
Another two: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/business-owner-fires-on-4-robbers-killing-2-police-say/?hp

[JohnRich 4]

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Yet another example of how those Texans use guns to protect themselves from criminal exes who are illegally getting a new (and probably non-redneck) boyfriend!

Are you implying that gun owners are most likely to be red-necks? Um, don't look now, but your bias is showing again. It's interesting how you've started using words like "zealots" and "red-necks" to describe your opposition. Don't you think so? Are you feeling a little battered, and starting to let your true colors show?

Oh, here's a group of gun owners who you probably wouldn't think are red-necks. In fact, they're more like pink-necks:
http://www.pinkpistols.org/

And what about this one?:
http://www.armedfemalesofamerica.com/takingaim/mostgunowners.htm

Or this one?:
http://www.jpfo.org/

I'll bet those folks don't fit neatly into your little gun-owner pigeon-hole.

The worst gun owners of all are those red-neck gay female Jews!

[georgerussia 0]

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Do you want to change that presumption of innocence too? Because that would be a strike against the 5th Amendment, and would put your anti-Bill of Rights count up to four.

Thank you for a free circus. Your last four posts were extremely amusing (if they weren't that stupid, but even stupidity can be amusing).

Let me know when you at last have something worth to say.

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[mnealtx 0]

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Not exactly - I do not have problems with carefully selected concealed carry licensees (like undercover cops). However at this moment to get a handgun basically all you need is to be 21, be able to write and have no major troubles with the law - this "criteria" matches virtually 90% of population and is pretty much not a restriction at all.

Incorrect - the requirements for concealed carry are NOT the same as for simple purchase.

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Now regarding concealed holders and crime prevention - statements like "concealed carry holders would reduce crime rate because criminals wouldn't know who is carrying" sound logical until you look deeper into the issue. The obvious issue with it is that to be a working solution, you would have to have a significant number of people around carrying.

Incorrect. As the small number of police officers vs. the general population shows, the deterrent effect IS there.

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However the gun owners are only 25-30% of population, so chance that a specific teacher has a gun even at home is around 27%. And even Kopel admitted that only few are actually getting concealed carry permit in states where it's not that difficult to get. Then a chance for a specific teacher to a) own a gun, b) have a permit to carry and c) be carrying it with him is not significant enough to prevent anything.

So, it's somehow BETTER for the criminal to know that there's NO chance that the teacher is armed? GREAT logic.

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Having a population for the whole state twice of Washington, DC it is no surprise. But this is cherry-picking. Indeed you can mention Iowa, NH, ND and so, which have pretty low violent crime rate. However you cannot get FL, TX, NV, MD, LA and AZ out of equation (and I think you'd agree that it makes more sense comparing CA with TX/NV rather than with NH, and it makes more sense to compare NY with FL and not with Maine). Therefore it completely invalidates Kopel's statement that concealed carry states have much lower violent crime rates than other states.

Wrong.

Using the 2008 FBI UCR stats and the 2008 Brady scorecard, a comparison between the top 10 Brady states (including DC, since it has the same autonomy as a state) and the bottom 10 Brady states shows that both violent crime and murder are HIGHER in the top 10.

The bottom 10 Brady states have roughly 3/4 the amount of violent crime and murders of the top 10.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[mnealtx 0]

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who think it's perfectly fine to have shooting sprees and have children killed as long as they can keep their loved guns.

LIE.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[georgerussia 0]

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Incorrect - the requirements for concealed carry are NOT the same as for simple purchase.

"To get a handgun" doesn't mean "to get a concealed carry permit". Read carefully, and do not assume anything.

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Incorrect. As the small number of police officers vs. the general population shows, the deterrent effect IS there.

A police officer is an authority first, and only then someone with a gun. Actually he might not even carry a gun.

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So, it's somehow BETTER for the criminal to know that there's NO chance that the teacher is armed? GREAT logic.

No, mandatory search at the University entrance is much better to prevent guns inside. As I said, I haven't heard a lot of shooting sprees happening inside courthouses, while the concentration of CRIMINALS (who as you say commit crimes) is significantly higher there.

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Using the 2008 FBI UCR stats and the 2008 Brady scorecard, a comparison between the top 10 Brady states (including DC, since it has the same autonomy as a state) and the bottom 10 Brady states shows that both violent crime and murder are HIGHER in the top 10.

And again you didn't read what we were talking about, or ignored it to bring something completely irrelevant. We were discussing D. Kopel's statement that "concealed carry states have much lower violent crime rates than other states". This statement has been proven false using exactly the FBI UCR stats. Brady scorecard is completely irrelevant here.

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[georgerussia 0]

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Would those kinds of comments be rude and impolite?

Maybe, but it indeed is illegal to commit copyright violations as you do by taking copyrighted pictures, modifying them and re-releasing them as your own work without any references or credits.

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