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Is everyone who owns a gun a "zealot"?
Well, for sure us Christian ones are.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
JohnRich 4
QuoteThank you for a free circus. Your last four posts were extremely amusing (if they weren't that stupid, but even stupidity can be amusing). Let me know when you at last have something worth to say.
I notice that you haven't bothered to answer a single question that I raised, based upon your statements. The only way I can interpret that lack of response is that you have no valid response, and are unable to support your statements. But you sure don't have any trouble continuing to blabber-on about other stuff. Really, your behavior here is as transparent as crystal - you've got nothing behind your arguments.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIf you think Europe is so great, then move back there.
What kind of BS is that, Marc...
Just imagine that about 60 million of your total population stems from Germany, what about the rest???
Send all of them back where they came from...
You're doing it again. That is to say, you're displaying your bad habit of taking singular examples, and extrapolating that one example into some entire population.
He was only talking about those people living in America and complaining about how horrible it is here.
It has nothing to do with all Germans, or "all" of any ethnic, social, religious, or any other kind of group.
60 millions are not a singular example.
You playing Marc's advocat today? Normally, he's doing all the dirty work for you and Mike
It's a simple fact. Search by yourself, and you will find out about the heritage of most Americans. You know enough of your own, hmmmm?
So, please do not send millions of them back from where they came. That'll cause a lot of troubles here in good old Germany, resp. Europe. Who will feed them all?
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIf you think Europe is so great, then move back there.
What kind of BS is that, Marc...
Just imagine that about 60 million of your total population stems from Germany, what about the rest???
Send all of them back where they came from...
You're doing it again. That is to say, you're displaying your bad habit of taking singular examples, and extrapolating that one example into some entire population.
He was only talking about those people living in America and complaining about how horrible it is here.
It has nothing to do with all Germans, or "all" of any ethnic, social, religious, or any other kind of group.
60 millions are not a singular example.
You playing Marc's advocat today? Normally, he's doing all the dirty work for you and Mike
It's a simple fact. Search by yourself, and you will find out about the heritage of most Americans. You know enough of your own, hmmmm?
So, please do not send millions of them back from where they came. That'll cause a lot of troubles here in good old Germany, resp. Europe. Who will feed them all?
I for one, do not want to go there to live. And yes, I have some German heritage. But I think you are OK. Even though your point is off topic, I dont think many who live here would even consider, for very long, submiting themselves to living there
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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I for one, do not want to go there to live. And yes, I have some German heritage. But I think you are OK. Even though your point is off topic, I dont think many who live here would even consider, for very long, submiting themselves to living there
Of course, not. That's what makes the difference here:
I would not leave out the slightest chance to go *there*, to be *there* for a while, meeting local people, traditions - simply all. Coming back to my home is wonderful, no doubt about it. Even if in future it would mean living on a complete different continent. I'm not afraid of that. It's not the US, but even that would mean no real problem to me.
You guys have at first to apply for an ID, a passport, before even are allowed to leave your corral. And from what I learned here on the site, most of you do not want to leave it, leave that tight home town; perhaps, (you-) they're afraid??
Only having a big mouth discussing world matters does not replace the personal experience. Try it one day. It's wonderful.
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I for one, do not want to go there to live. And yes, I have some German heritage. But I think you are OK. Even though your point is off topic, I dont think many who live here would even consider, for very long, submiting themselves to living there
Of course, not. That's what makes the difference here:
I would not leave out the slightest chance to go *there*, to be *there* for a while, meeting local people, traditions - simply all. Coming back to my home is wonderful, no doubt about it. Even if in future it would mean living on a complete different continent. I'm not afraid of that. It's not the US, but even that would mean no real problem to me.
You guys have at first to apply for an ID, a passport, before even are allowed to leave your corral. And from what I learned here on the site, most of you do not want to leave it, leave that tight home town; perhaps, (you-) they're afraid??
Only having a big mouth discussing world matters does not replace the personal experience. Try it one day. It's wonderful.
No, you can have the big mouth. I am doing ok with out it
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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Only having a big mouth discussing world matters does not replace the personal experience. Try it one day. It's wonderful.
No, you can have the big mouth. I am doing ok with out it
Dear, you misunderstood: It's people like you and friends who have not a single clue about the world outside but, instead of it do have a real big big mouth ...
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Rush, Christel, stop calling each other names.
QuoteQuoteMy $200 donation to Brady was a result of that.
If you want to throw your good money down the toilet, that's okay with me. Maybe you should have noticed that the Brady bunch is totally unhappy with Obamao for his lack of action for more gun control. And the democrats don't want to touch the issue either, because the last time they did it cost them their majority in the House. Heck, I urge you to send them more money.
Since you claim to have read the Brady web site, you should have seen their report:"President Obama's First Year: Failed Leadership"You're swimming against the tide.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/reports/fedleg/obama-1styear-report.pdf
Swimming against a tidal wave.
From Brady's 2008 annual report - total revenues: 6.2M. Membership dues accounted for about 1.6 of that.
annual dues collected from NRA membership - ~100M. $200 to Brady is basically the financial equivalent to pissing in the wind.
Noticed their top page is a cry to send letters to Starbucks for not bowing down to the east bay Brady chapter. Probably worth sending our own messages too.
JohnRich 4
QuoteQuoteYou're doing it again. That is to say, you're displaying your bad habit of taking singular examples, and extrapolating that one example into some entire population.
He was only talking about those people living in America and complaining about how horrible it is here.
It has nothing to do with all Germans, or "all" of any ethnic, social, religious, or any other kind of group.
60 millions are not a singular example. It's a simple fact. Search by yourself, and you will find out about the heritage of most Americans. So, please do not send millions of them back from where they came.
See the attachment (sigh).
JohnRich 4
Quotefrom what I learned here on the site, most of you do not want to leave it, leave that tight home town; perhaps, (you-) they're afraid??
Ah yes, that must be it. We don't stay here in America because we like it here, it's because we're AFRAID to go somewhere else! America is just chock full of frightened people who want to escape, but can't get past huddling in fear in the corners of their homes. Would you please come rescue them?
JohnRich 4
QuoteNoticed their top page is a cry to send letters to Starbucks for not bowing down to the east bay Brady chapter. Probably worth sending our own messages too.
Yeah, imagine that. Starbucks actually lets patrons enter their stores while complying with the law, which allows gun carry. They've got some nerve!
quade 4
QuoteYeah, imagine that. Starbucks actually lets patrons enter their stores while complying with the law, which allows gun carry. They've got some nerve!
Ya know, if you REALLY wanted to generate some press, you'd have an Open Carry Day at Disney World and have everybody packin'. Get 40 or 50 guys and gals with guns strapped to their sides and take a photo with Mickey Mouse right on Main Street.
Please organize this as soon as possible. If not for your sake, then for mine.
I only wish the Olympics were in the US so I could advise you to do it there as well.
JR I think you'll find that businesses can and do limit their threat exposure and are perfectly within their rights to not have guns on their property if they don't want to. It is, after all, their property.
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Take your own advice - the poster you answered was talking about concealed carry.
Read the whole discussion, and stop playing your assumption games.
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We're talking about the US, George, not the UK.
Just like that. How do you know what I am talking about? Speak for yourself.
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Non-sequitur. The criminals there are prisoners under the control of the police.
You must be kidding. Last time I was in small claims court two weeks ago the courtroom was full of criminals. And nobody controlled them besides a single check at the entrance.
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Speaking of 'proven false', have you confirmed that with stats from the time he wrote the article?
I see no reasons for that.
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Brady scores (and comparisons to same) are ENTIRELY relevant to this discussion, as you keep advocating for Brady-style gun control.
You missed the whole point, as usual. They are not relevant. Even if they were, the way you selected it is completely crazy. Brady top 10 states have scores ranged from 79 to 26(!!!) - a whooping difference of 53 points. Putting them into the same basket for statistics purposes is completely insane - pretty much the same way as saying that I and Bill Gates have 60B together, which means each of us should roughly have 30B.
Your bottom states, however, range from 2 to 6 and only differs by 4 points (yes, it is FOUR). That's exactly the way to abuse statistics to feet into your agenda.
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I notice that you haven't bothered to answer a single question that I raised, based upon your statements. The only way I can interpret that lack of response is that you have no valid response, and are unable to support your statements.
Then you will be shocked by the reality. This has nothing to do with questions, but everything with the person who asked. After your "You are a sniveling little lying coward" private message (and blocking the replies after you sent it - very honorable!) I do not consider you a worthy opponent to have a civilized discussion with. This is exactly the reason you're not getting answers to your "questions", which as usual are filled with straw man and speculations.
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Noticed their top page is a cry to send letters to Starbucks for not bowing down to the east bay Brady chapter. Probably worth sending our own messages too.
next time i'm in the area, I'll stop into starbucks and buy a juice or something (can't stand their coffee) and thank them for letting me obey the law.
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QuoteQuoteYeah, imagine that. Starbucks actually lets patrons enter their stores while complying with the law, which allows gun carry. They've got some nerve!
Ya know, if you REALLY wanted to generate some press, you'd have an Open Carry Day at Disney World and have everybody packin'. Get 40 or 50 guys and gals with guns strapped to their sides and take a photo with Mickey Mouse right on Main Street.
Please organize this as soon as possible. If not for your sake, then for mine.
I only wish the Olympics were in the US so I could advise you to do it there as well.
JR I think you'll find that businesses can and do limit their threat exposure and are perfectly within their rights to not have guns on their property if they don't want to. It is, after all, their property.
I think that was established on page 1.
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George mentioned concealed carry states, so I went to wiki and got the listing of the states that have 'shall issue" concealed carry vs. the states that "may issue" or do not issue at all. There are 12 states and the District that are not 'shall issue'.
Here's the numbers:
Same as above. Computing an average crime rate in Texas plus North Dakota (or Maine plus California) makes exactly the same sense as calculating average income using your and Bill Gates' income.
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JohnRich 4
QuoteI think you'll find that businesses can and do limit their threat exposure and are perfectly within their rights to not have guns on their property if they don't want to. It is, after all, their property.
Certainly. If they choose to do so, people who don't like it can take their money elsewhere. I have no problem with that. I'm simply applauding Starbucks for not caving in to special interest political pressure to do that, and instead are sticking to what the law says. If the law says gun carry is legal, then if they ban that, they're discriminating. And discrimination is a lousy thing, but that's what the Brady Campaign advocates.
If a business decided to not allow any blacks in their business premises, would that be okay with you?
quade 4
QuoteQuoteI think you'll find that businesses can and do limit their threat exposure and are perfectly within their rights to not have guns on their property if they don't want to. It is, after all, their property.
Certainly. If they choose to do so, people who don't like it can take their money elsewhere. I have no problem with that. I'm simply applauding Starbucks for not caving in to special interest political pressure to do that, and instead are sticking to what the law says. If the law says gun carry is legal, then if they ban that, they're discriminating. And discrimination is a lousy thing.
If a business decided to not allow any blacks in their business premises, would that be okay with you?
I don't know, have you stopped beating your wife?
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JohnRich 4
QuoteThen you will be shocked by the reality. This has nothing to do with questions, but everything with the person who asked. After your "You are a sniveling little lying coward" private message (and blocking the replies after you sent it - very honorable!) I do not consider you a worthy opponent to have a civilized discussion with. This is exactly the reason you're not getting answers to your "questions", which as usual are filled with straw man and speculations.
Oh, I see - I've hurt your feelings. Gosh, that's terrible
Does it make you honorable to take a private message and splash it in public without the author's permission?
You deserved the private comment. You claimed I said something that wasn't true. When called out on out, you tap danced around and refused to admit it. You claimed to be able to prove it, but never did, even when challenged to do so. All bluff, no truth. No apology. Was that an honorable act too?
This is how gun-control play to try and get what they want, because facts and logic run against them. So instead they have to stoop to dishonorable tactics to try and fool people into joining their side. That's a lousy strategy for success.
At least I'll have free reign to tear your arguments apart here, without challenge. Woohoo!
JohnRich 4
QuoteQuoteIf a business decided to not allow any blacks in their business premises, would that be okay with you?
I don't know, have you stopped beating your wife?
I never started.
If a business decided to not allow any blacks in their premises, would that be okay with you?
Or is it okay to discriminate against gun owners, but not blacks?
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If a business decided to not allow any blacks in their business premises, would that be okay with you?
race is a protected minority. Armed state is not a protected minority.
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Here's the matchup between the Brady "Top 10" and "Bottom 10"
Brady "Top 10" Violent Crime rate: 508.86/100k
(130.65% of bottom 10)
Brady "Top 10" Murder Rate: 7.15/100k
(136.05% of bottom 10)
Brady "Bottom 10" Violent Crime rate: 398.47/100k
(76.54% of top 10)
Brady "Bottom 10" Murder rate: 5.26/100k
(73.50% of top 10)
George mentioned concealed carry states, so I went to wiki and got the listing of the states that have 'shall issue" concealed carry vs. the states that "may issue" or do not issue at all. There are 12 states and the District that are not 'shall issue'.
Here's the numbers:
Restricted carry Violent Crime rate: 500.36/100k
(127.7% of RTC)
Restricted carry Murder rate: 6.71/100k
(146.77% of RTC)
RTC Violent Crime rate: 391.81/100k
(78.31% of Restricted)
RTC Murder rate: 4.57/100k
(67.53% of Restricted)
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