Finally "no open carry" at some businesses

[georgerussia 0]

Peet's and CPK tell Open Carry customers: No guns allowed

There was a bunch of gun freaks executing their right by openly carrying their guns (unloaded and holstered, legal) around some family businesses. I would even call them idiots because a reasonable person would not consider it a good idea to brazen their gun rights in front of families with children. Of course people complained about it, and it seems like those complains work. Some local businesses are not welcoming gun carriers anymore.

And the comments are even more interesting than article. Looks like those gun freaks pissed off a good amount of locals. So, please do it again and do it more - this would really help to push down even more restrictions than you have now.

I've made a note to spend some money this weekend, and tell the management in person that I approve their policy.

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[kelpdiver 2]

Protesters tend to piss [some] people off, be they war protesters, gun rights folks, or yet another misguided petition to revote on prop 8 in 2010. It's pretty much by design - the status quo isn't working for them, so they demonstrate. At least they're not chaining themselves to BART trains to protest big oil. (brilliant logic)

Both parties are behaving acceptable. Peet's can ask them to leave, and they of course can opt to spend their money elsewhere.

Now for a guy who won't visit Radio Shack, Caltrain, or the Olive Garden, isn't a Peet's coffee with a history of being popular with gun nuts a bit of extreme tourism for you?

[diablopilot 2]

Gun freaks. Nice.

They are people who consider their second amendment rights to be valuable enough to exercise them to the extent that this state (California) has corrupted them.

Their statement, and mission is one that simply points out that guns and gun owners are not evil, should not be feared, and they try to educate a mass made ignorant by assumption and media, as to the actual state of law.

Based on the legal risk they take from an ignorant public, and more importantly ignorant law enforcement, I have to applaud them though I won't join them.

Of course they probably are not worried about the handful of ignorant fucksticks that think just because the had a secured unloaded firearm in the presence of a child that they are "bad men".

Edit: Oh and both companies need to check the wording of their policies to make sure they conform with CA state law.

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[georgerussia 0]

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Protesters tend to piss [some] people off, be they war protesters, gun rights folks, or yet another misguided petition to revote on prop 8 in 2010. It's pretty much by design - the status quo isn't working for them, so they demonstrate. At least they're not chaining themselves to BART trains to protest big oil. (brilliant logic)

Why are you saying they were protesters, and what exactly they protested against? I have no idea, and apparently nobody else had as it is obvious from the comments. Even if it was, a reasonable person would find a better place to protest than places full of families with children. Would be pretty much as if gay marriage supporters were protesting inside a Catholic church.

I actually wonder why didn't those people go to "protest" to East Oakland, or Richmond? Might actually have done some good there.

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Now for a guy who won't visit Radio Shack, Caltrain, or the Olive Garden,

"I do not" != "I will not".

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isn't a Peet's coffee with a history of being popular with gun nuts a bit of extreme tourism for you?

I have no idea as I don't drink coffee. We do like pizza though.

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[georgerussia 0]

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Their statement, and mission is one that simply points out that guns and gun owners are not evil, should not be feared, and they try to educate a mass made ignorant by assumption and media, as to the actual state of law.

My point was that if you check the comments, you'd see that they achieved exactly the opposite result, increasing the chance that pissed off public (supported by law enforcement who likely had better things to do) would pass some city ordinance against it, or put it on yet another ballot.

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[diablopilot 2]

If you'd look to more than one report of the incident, other than a politically slanted one, you'd see that not only was law enforcement supportive and helpful to the event, but that many of the general public was both supportive, and many were educated about the laws.

With this state cutting law enforcement positions like it's going out of style, and the SCOUS stating that LE is not bound to protect citizens, one might expect that people are concerned about personal protection.

But "gun nuts" are "bad men" and children should never have to see a gun possessed by someone who might teach them responsibility with firearms, but rather save that for movies, and games. Yeah, that's where they belong.

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[georgerussia 0]

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If you'd look to more than one report of the incident, other than a politically slanted one, you'd see that not only was law enforcement supportive and helpful to the event, but that many of the general public was both supportive, and many were educated about the laws.

Do you have any reports? I'd like to read about it, however I'd speculate it didn't happen in pizzeria full of moms with kids.

Educating public about laws in such arrogant way reported in this article (which looks to me, and apparently to a lot of comment writers as "you don't like it? Then go fuck yourself, the law allows us to do it!") definitely did more bad than good. I'd expect to see more businesses follow the trend. For example, I talked today with the owner of one of the lunch places I go every week (I typically patronize local businesses and know most of the owners pretty well), and she said she'd consider putting such a sign as well - just in case.

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With this state cutting law enforcement positions like it's going out of style, and the SCOUS stating that LE is not bound to protect citizens, one might expect that people are concerned about personal protection.

Personally I'm much more concerned about nuts carrying guns, as there seems to be quite a lot of them. And if you go through comments, you'd see that such a concern is well-shared among Californians.

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[LongWayToFall 0]

This kind of shit doesn't happen in states like Arizona, because enough people open carry that people learn not to fear a piece of equipment. They learn that they should be more concerned about the person. I'd rather someone open carry and know they are armed then concealed carry.
So what did you tell the business owner of the restaurant you frequent? "Watch out! Guns are out there, you better be afraid!!!!" People like you live in fear, and require a government to protect them. The guy who is open carrying, typically respects the responsibility that owning and carrying a firearm demands, and it is good for the public to see that responsible gun owners exist in the world. Without open carry, the average citizen would only see firearms on TV in the hands of some guy wearing a mask and cutting off the head of a news reporter.

[zoobrothertom 5]

Gotta Laugh at this one... Shall I summarize the reason for our next law ... "It's for the Children...(sob)"

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[kelpdiver 2]

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My point was that if you check the comments, you'd see that they achieved exactly the opposite result, increasing the chance that pissed off public (supported by law enforcement who likely had better things to do) would pass some city ordinance against it, or put it on yet another ballot.

the Channel 5 news did a segment on it last night. Interestingly, I think it showed two fairly well spoken carriers, and a harpie at Brady that had nothing better to do with her time. This isn't a case of concerned masses calling Peet's in fear. This is an organized response by the local gun control group. This was made much more clear by their segment than the article you initially read.

Of course they are protesting - they want reasonable CCW options in California.

BTW, Peet's is not a family restaurant, and even if CKP is (it's not really - a bit more date priced), that's actually the offensive part of their signage. Gun ownership is not incompatible with families.

Oh, the punchline. Apparently Starbucks will welcome them.

[rhaig 0]

summary:

wah!! we don't have enough pull to get a concealed carry license in this state!! So we want to show people that there are CA gun owners that want gun rights. Because we don't want to move.

Wah!! gunz iz scary!! eww!! I just want my half-caf-skinny-mocha-latte-with-room.

wah. we own this business and reserve the right to refuse service.

outsider's point of view:
oh... this is california??

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[christelsabine 1]

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People like you live in fear, and require a government to protect them. The guy who is open carrying, typically respects the responsibility that owning and carrying a firearm demands, and it is good for the public to see that responsible gun owners exist in the world. Without open carry, the average citizen would only see firearms on TV in the hands of some guy wearing a mask and cutting off the head of a news reporter.

Wow. So your average citizen does not watch TV, news, does not read papers ... which all of them are showing horror shootings/killings on a daily basis in your country? Just around them?

Man, Ogrish is not really the only source.

Who's living in fear? Having a look around my good old Europe, I deally doubt we're living in fear, unarmed and such.

I feel safe, our policy and police is working quite good - so why do I have to be armed in daily life?

Your, dear friend, live in fear. Or why do you have to be armed from teeth to tooth?

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Your, dear friend, live in fear. Or why do you have to be armed from teeth to tooth?

Why did you buy a gun, illegally no less, when you were in Florida? Were you afraid?

[georgerussia 0]

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So what did you tell the business owner of the restaurant you frequent? "Watch out! Guns are out there, you better be afraid!!!!"

No, I told them about this "protesting", which scared off a bunch of people, and resulted in 911 calls, and that some businesses reacted to it by putting "no guns allowed" sign and that I support it. They though it's a good idea too.

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People like you live in fear, and require a government to protect them.

Some of you gun owners seem to have a kind of paranoia - everyone who does not have a gun and doesn't want it, apparently must be living in fear. The reality, however, is exactly the opposite - if you need a carry your gun with you going to family restaurants, that's YOU who lives in fear, because you insist of carrying a TOOL to protect yourself.

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The guy who is open carrying, typically respects the responsibility that owning and carrying a firearm demands, and it is good for the public to see that responsible gun owners exist in the world.

Did you read the comments? They are written exactly by the public - which, as you claim, should feel good about it. Apparently it is not.

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[christelsabine 1]

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Your, dear friend, live in fear. Or why do you have to be armed from teeth to tooth?

Why did you buy a gun, illegally no less, when you were in Florida? Were you afraid?

I was not afraid walking Florida. I just wanted to buy that gun. To try if I get one, and it was working.
Today I surely know it would be crackbrained to walk in Florida at night unarmed and so, would prefer to be fully armed, like you folks need to be.

But, for Europe? No need.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[georgerussia 0]

One guy made it clear in comments:

There are two types of gun owners I know. The type where you say "never knew that, you have guns?" and the types that practically put up billboards of their ownership, practice, paranoia.

What is interesting is that gun owners from the first group seem to be kinda pissed off on the second group as well:

I suggest a reverse boycott -- I'm going to Peets and CPK to support their policy. I am a gun owner. That's my business. But I think open display is silly, attention-seeking. May as well go in with your junk hanging out. Imagine going to these restaurants with a samurai sword or a machete. People wouldn't like that either.

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[RonD1120 62]

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Peet's and CPK tell Open Carry customers: No guns allowed

There was a bunch of gun freaks executing their right by openly carrying their guns (unloaded and holstered, legal) around some family businesses. I would even call them idiots because a reasonable person would not consider it a good idea to brazen their gun rights in front of families with children. Of course people complained about it, and it seems like those complains work. Some local businesses are not welcoming gun carriers anymore.

And the comments are even more interesting than article. Looks like those gun freaks pissed off a good amount of locals. So, please do it again and do it more - this would really help to push down even more restrictions than you have now.

I've made a note to spend some money this weekend, and tell the management in person that I approve their policy.

Maybe it's just me because I am weird but, I feel more comfortable around a citizen with his or her weapon openly displayed on their hip then a gang banger with his or her weapon hidden in their baggy clothes.

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[rhaig 0]

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What is interesting is that gun owners from the first group seem to be kinda pissed off on the second group as well:

Open carry is interesting... (I mean real, loaded weapon, legal open carry).

There are some people in TX who want open carry laws. Some people say it will turn into the shootout at the OK corral, but I heard that about concealed carry back in the day and it never happened. So I don't buy it.

I do think that open carrying an unloaded gun is stupid. But likely for different reasons than many. An unloaded weapon is as useful as a hammer. If I lived in that area, and knew of a place where this was happening, I might wear a hammer on my belt one day to go get coffee.

Carrying an unloaded gun also makes the wearer used to the weapon being unloaded which is dangerous. Unloaded weapons are dangerous to the wearer.

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[diablopilot 2]

The way the current laws in California read, it's the only option these guys have so they are exercising it. They by law are permitted to have the firearm holstered unloaded, and have a loaded magazine in plain view as well.

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[rhaig 0]

yeah... I read the article. Marginally more useful than a hammer.

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[diablopilot 2]

I'd say less than 1.5 seconds to being more useful than that, but you've got a point.

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[AggieDave 6]

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I'd say less than 1.5 seconds to being more useful than that, but you've got a point.

With out thousands and thousands of repetitions, in a high stress situation, those folks will have serious problems making that happen in minutes much less seconds!

Drawing, presenting and aligning the sights take a bit of practice. Now make it so that both hands re doing something at once. One hand drawing the weapon and the other drawing a magazine. Aligning it, inserting it, racking the weapon and hopefully the weapon goes into battery with no issue.

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[kallend 2,118]

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I'd say less than 1.5 seconds to being more useful than that, but you've got a point.

With out thousands and thousands of repetitions, in a high stress situation, those folks will have serious problems making that happen in minutes much less seconds!

Drawing, presenting and aligning the sights take a bit of practice. Now make it so that both hands re doing something at once. One hand drawing the weapon and the other drawing a magazine. Aligning it, inserting it, racking the weapon and hopefully the weapon goes into battery with no issue.

Like skydiving? If you aren't current in your training you are a hazard to yourself and those around you.

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[AggieDave 6]

I wouldn't say that those people are a danger, just that they may be ineffective if a threat presents its self.

Now, go and try to twist what I said around to feed your ego.

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[kallend 2,118]

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I wouldn't say that those people are a danger, just that they may be ineffective if a threat presents its self.

I guess we disagree. I think an untrained person with a loaded gun in a high stress situation IS a danger to themselves and others.

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Now, go and try to twist what I said around to feed your ego.

That seems an unnecessary response.

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