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The tea-party movement will continue to grow. As long as it stays on message and continues to be grass-roots.

Can it get a better name for itself? I've already heard enough tea bag remarks to think that it can't grow much further without a name change.

Which defines Republcian static; more about rheoric than substance.

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Which bill and what was piggybacked. Name the bill. Define, "clamped down." Care to talk about one of tHE biggest issues/catalysts of the mess; UTLRA-LOW INTEREST RATES CAUSING INFLATED HOME PRICES AND ENABLING SUB-PRIME MORTGAGES?

Why, that would be the FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005, Lucky.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190

You can read up on how the Democrats killed the reform when Sen McCain saw the impending doom coming. I guess if they had allowed it to pass, then they would have less to blame on Bush.

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Someone has no clue that 1 seat of 535 in congress is virtually meaningless. Owww, tell us about the 2 or wasit 3 governor seats won last November. It would be virtually unprecedented if the Dems, who own a massive lead in the House and the Senate to not lose seats now in the pendulum effect. Win in 2012 and then wave your flag, until then it's just comedy.

So, Scott Brown's one vote is meaningless?
In your love of Bush bashing it seems that you have completely forgotten the impact that the house and senate have on US politics. Even Obama can't get them to open up on C-Span.

So no response to the ultra-low int rates causing the mess? I guess that's acquiescence.

--> FEDERAL HOUSING ENTERPRISE REGULATORY REFORM ACT OF 2005:

From your site:

Amends the Federal Home Loan Bank Act to establish the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation. Transfers the functions of the Office of Finance of the Federal Home Loan Banks to such Corporation.

Excludes the Federal Home Loan Banks from certain securities reporting requirements.

Abolishes the Federal Housing Finance Board.

Sounds like it kilsl governmetn offices and transfers complete authority to private corporate offices. Yea, that's a fix; more corporate greed and less government oversight. Yea, now that's reform we can all sink our teeth into. You're right the Dems really killed a zinger there .

--> You can read up on how the Democrats killed the reform when Sen McCain saw the impending doom coming.

By 2005 the impnding doom was already laid, it was inevitable at that point, McSame was just covering his tracks. In case you weren't watching, the loans started in 2003 and 4, the inflation frenzy was going in 5 and until the end of 6. Trying to shift more power to corporations after the damage was done by low int rates in 2005 was meaningless if not more damaging.

---> So, Scott Brown's one vote is meaningless?
In your love of Bush bashing it seems that you have completely forgotten the impact that the house and senate have on US politics.

1 vote in a sea of 535 is irrelevant after losing 3 straight elections, celebrating over 3 governor seats last November exemplifies your party's desperation.

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The tea-party movement will continue to grow. As long as it stays on message and continues to be grass-roots.
I've missed everyone locally because I've had to work. I'll hopefuly make some this year.
Disgruntled members of both parties are starting to show up.

Oh please, the Dems showing up are Republicans posing as Dems.

No, they are Dems that are not lefty progressive political extremeists. They love this country and do not want to see those with views such as yours destroy it

Rush's love for this country defined by:

- 5 T debt increases

- Total corporate takeover of gov

- Darwinian-type HC where if ya don't have it; tough shit

- Militarizing the world via US imperialistic takeover or threat thereof

- Classist separation of society where class mobility is unavailable


Nice, you guys love the country alright, considering 70-80% of the total debt occurred under your party and much of the 20-30% can be atributed to debt gains under Dems incurred as they fixed yoru mess - of course you won't touch that.

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Are you Ellie Light?

But the answer

I do not like some of the shit Bush's admin pulled off
That said however, you extreme mis-representation does nothing any justise either
And your positions would take us even farther, faster toward left leaning destructive policies

You HC postion is the most extreme example

so

are you Ellie Light?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Another good indicator this country is coming to its senses and not listening to the Ellie Lights like you

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Poll: Fears Grow Over Obamacare
Monday, 25 Jan 2010 04:58 PM Article Font Size

WASHINGTON – Fears about President Barack Obama's health care overhaul increased significantly in December, according to a new poll released as the legislation's future hangs in doubt.

The monthly poll out Tuesday from the nonpartisan Robert Wood Johnson Foundation measured consumers' views of how a remake would affect their own finances and access to care, among other things.

It was conducted between Nov. 28 and Dec. 20, in the run-up to the Senate's Christmas Eve passage of sweeping health care legislation that brought Congress closer than ever before to enacting a comprehensive revamp of the nation's medical system. That effort was cast into turmoil last week when a GOP victory in Massachusetts' special Senate election robbed Democrats of their filibuster-proof supermajority.

The survey shows a majority are following the health care debate in Congress — and their trepidation is evidently growing as they do.

Nonetheless, people still think that Obama should address the issue as part of dealing with the nation's economic slump, although the percentage of people who say that it's very important for Obama to do so has slipped from 56 percent in the survey conducted in September, to 49.5 percent in this month's report.

Among the poll's other findings:


33 percent of respondents said they believed their access to care would be worse if a health care overhaul occurred, a jump from 25 percent in the poll released last month. Thirteen percent said they thought they would have better access to care in a remade system, about the same as last month.
30.5 percent said their personal finances would be worse under a health care overhaul, compared to 24.5 percent last month. Eleven and a half percent said their personal finances would improve, compared to 14 percent last month.
35 percent said the country's access to health care would be worse under a health care overhaul, compared to 30 percent last month. Around 38 percent said it would be better, around the same as last month.
42 percent said the country's finances would suffer under a health care overhaul, compared with 34.6 percent last month. Thirty percent said matters would improve financially, compared to 32 percent last month.

"I don't know that it's all that surprising that people are nervous about health care reform," said Brian Quinn, a researcher at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, a philanthropic organization that supports health care reform. "Health care is an incredibly personal issue and clearly there's a lack of understanding about what health care reform would do."

The Democratic bills would require all Americans to carry health insurance, with government help to make premiums more affordable. They would ban insurance companies from denying coverage or charging more to people with health problems. They would set up new insurance markets for those who now have the hardest time finding and keeping coverage — self-employed people and small businesses.

The poll, a monthly status check on views about health care, also found that consumers' confidence in their health insurance coverage and ability to access care rose slightly in December.

Robert Wood Johnson's index of consumer health care confidence stood at 99.1 points in December, up from a reading of 96.9 in November. The index uses people's responses to a series of questions, such as whether they're worried about affording prescription drugs or going bankrupt from medical bills, to determine an overall confidence score.

The telephone survey of around 500 people has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.3 percentage points.
© Copyright 2010 The Associated Press.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Are you Ellie Light?

But the answer

I do not like some of the shit Bush's admin pulled off
That said however, you extreme mis-representation does nothing any justise either
And your positions would take us even farther, faster toward left leaning destructive policies

You HC postion is the most extreme example

so

are you Ellie Light?

First, what is Ellie Light?

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Are you Ellie Light?

But the answer

I do not like some of the shit Bush's admin pulled off
That said however, you extreme mis-representation does nothing any justise either
And your positions would take us even farther, faster toward left leaning destructive policies

You HC postion is the most extreme example

so

are you Ellie Light?

First, what is Ellie Light?

Google it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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***Poll: Fears Grow Over Obamacare
Monday, 25 Jan 2010 04:58 PM Article Font Size ...

Here's an interesting article as well. Note, this does not detract from the other poll but rather, enhances it.

"When Explained, Health Overhaul Popularity Goes Up

By Julie Rovner

Does the public really hate the health care bills? Nope. They just don't know what's in them. That's what the results of the latest Kaiser Health Tracking poll on the overhaul legislation now stalled in Congress say.
Pollsters find people like health care overhaul when they understand what's in it.

The Kaiser Family Foundation poll (no affiliation with the HMO) shows that when respondents were told about the specifics of the health bills, they usually liked them more.

For example, 73 percent of those polled by KFF said they were more supportive of the measure after hearing that the bill would provide tax credits to small businesses to help them offer coverage to their workers.

More than two-thirds increased their support when they were told the bills included insurance "exchanges" where people could go to buy health insurance.

And 63 percent said they liked overhaul more when they found out it would ban insurance companies from discriminating against people with preexisting health conditions.

The results make for an interesting contrast from the Jan. 20 Gallup poll right after Tuesday's Massachusetts special election. That one showed that the majority of Americans (55 percent) want Congress to scrap the current bill and seek alternatives.

To be sure, not every explanation of the bill drew praise. Those that lowered support for the bill included the fact that it would cost--offset by taxes and cuts to Medicare--more than $870 billion over 10 years and the fact that it would require most people to have health insurance.

And despite President Obama's vow that he will not sign a bill that would "add one dime to the deficit," only 15 percent of respondents said they expected the bill to reduce the deficit, even though 56 percent said if that were the case, they would support it.

Only 44 percent knew that the bill would close the notorious Medicare "doughnut hole," the quirk in Medicare's drug benefit where coverage stops but seniors still have to pay their premiums.

But perhaps the most ominous finding of the Kaiser poll is that after nearly a year of debate, people appear to know so little about some of the measure's key points.

Perhaps Democrats' biggest problem with the bill is not having a strategy to get it passed, but not having a strategy to explain what it does to a public that still seems to want health overhaul.

KFF has been asking the public about the bill every month for more than a year now. And while support has been slipping, according to the January tally, it's far from in the tank. In fact, according to the poll conducted Jan. 7-12, supporters of the measure slightly outnumber detractors, 42 percent to 41 percent, with 16 percent undecided, although there is a margin of error or plus or minus three percentage points.

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Lucky , i read your post and i can't believe that you allow yourself to be sooo distracted by that one sided opinion of yours .
This country belongs to the people and not the government . wake up and try not to let the politicians control your mind so much .
This can be done by carefully looking at both sides and do not allow either side to distract you . If you think that this is one parties fault , then they already own you .
The people in the tea party movement would vote for either party and are truly independent.
Blue skies

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Lucky , i read your post and i can't believe that you allow yourself to be sooo distracted by that one sided opinion of yours .
This country belongs to the people and not the government . wake up and try not to let the politicians control your mind so much .
This can be done by carefully looking at both sides and do not allow either side to distract you . If you think that this is one parties fault , then they already own you .
The people in the tea party movement would vote for either party and are truly independent.
Blue skies

Your post is typical nonsense from the right. To avoid getting you lost in all kinds of reasoning, can you show me where the tea baggers were when their hero andd leader, GWB was trashing the debt by 5 trillion dollars? Or perhaps were they around, possibly under a different name when fascist garbage pig-fuck Ronnie started this mess in 1981?

Before you waste keystrokes with your 'for the people' garbage, feel-good rhetoric, show me a major federal tax cut that led to overall betterment in the economic picture...... I DIDN'T THINK YOU COULD. Now go pretend you're not a disgruntled Republican and claim to be independent and then vote partyline R while carrying your guns to political rallies.

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Are you Ellie Light?

But the answer

I do not like some of the shit Bush's admin pulled off
That said however, you extreme mis-representation does nothing any justise either
And your positions would take us even farther, faster toward left leaning destructive policies

You HC postion is the most extreme example

so

are you Ellie Light?

First, what is Ellie Light?

Google it

So it's an anonymous author to letters. Apparently you have no response to the substance I posted so you attack or mischaracterize the author, me. WOW, color me surprized.

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Lucky , i read your post and i can't believe that you allow yourself to be sooo distracted by that one sided opinion of yours .
This country belongs to the people and not the government . wake up and try not to let the politicians control your mind so much .
This can be done by carefully looking at both sides and do not allow either side to distract you . If you think that this is one parties fault , then they already own you .
The people in the tea party movement would vote for either party and are truly independent.
Blue skies

Here's a great representation of the morons in your movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

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Lucky if your intentions of that last YouTube video was to imply how DEMs are superiorly intelligent and how GOP are nothing but ignorant fools, two can play at that game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUybMMYmpxo&feature=channel

Isn't it amazing how University students who are supposedly these superior intellects
"DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSED THE GREAT DEPRESSION".

If they would for once stop listening to their professors tell them how great communism would be and actually spend time researching history, then maybe these students would not be so dumb. How much did you pay for your education? ROFLMAO ...

How do you like them apples.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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GWB was trashing the debt by 5 trillion dollars?

Now it's highly likely that the first Obama Adminstration term will also end with 5T in debt. Now surely you'll attribute some of this to the GOP and Bush, but it's 1 term versus 2.

The question of the day - how much of this debt will you blame the Dems/Obama for? 50%? 0%? Sliding scale depending on the slope?

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Lucky, you don't get it .
first, i am an independent and that means non partisan . just because i pointed out that both sides are to blame , this does not mean that i am from one party or the other.
Here is my point ... pointing fingers at the other party does nothing to help this country except divide us.
The constitution starts with we the people
...how does Blaming Bush help ?
when both sides are to blame ?
I think everyone should take off the blinders and carefully look at both sides with skepticism . and not blindly follow one party or the other.
The way our founding father George Washington warned us to do when he gave his final speech to the people when he left office . Blue Skies

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GWB was trashing the debt by 5 trillion dollars?

Now it's highly likely that the first Obama Adminstration term will also end with 5T in debt. Now surely you'll attribute some of this to the GOP and Bush, but it's 1 term versus 2.

The question of the day - how much of this debt will you blame the Dems/Obama for? 50%? 0%? Sliding scale depending on the slope?

That's such a fucking joke. You want to pretend that the 2nd worst mess in history Obama inherited is the same as what GWB inherited? Neo-con, connies might by that, but most won't. I guess Clin ton, who inherited a small mess in recovery, inherited just 7% unemployment that was stable, a descent stock market and GDP, he turned it into gold. Obama inherited >8% unemp in freefall, a GDP that was 4 of 5 Q's negaitve - current Q very negative, market in freefall, banks about literally done and many other indicators in the toilet. The true character/honesty of anyone who thinks what Obama inherited is his doing / his fault shows when they want to blame him. Hell, garbage like Hannity and the likes were saying it was his economy weeks after he took office. Dude, that's a fucking joke.

It took Clinton his whole 1st term to unfuck fascist pig Ronnies mess and he had help from GHWB in raising taxes and cutting spending; Obama took the mess at it's epicenter and had to deal with it.

As for attribute some of it, I attribute ALL of the debt gain under Clinton to that garbage you love so much; fascist Ronnie. Considering the debt increase fell every year and the deficit shrunk every year Clinton was in office for a net improvement. When Clinton left, a 290B deficit turned to a 236B surplus, a 12-year 250 debt increase turned to 33B and shrinking. I realize numbers and actual concepts such as this are foreign to you so you won't agree. Oh, BTW, it took Clinton his whole 1st term to get the economy really under control, it wasn't nearly as bad as Obama's inherited mess.

As for your ? of the day, I will assess Obama's work after the term(s) is/are done. I will praise and criticize as needed, unlike the connies who just praise their leaders. I hear brilliant turds from the right say, "I don't agree with Bush on everything," but they never break into details; I do with my leaders from my party.

It will be great, there is this cycle of teh criminals on the right blowing up the debt and starving teh poor, the left comming in and fixing it, tehj right fucking it up, etc. I have no reason to believe it will be diff this time.

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Lucky, you don't get it .
first, i am an independent and that means non partisan .

Oh, gosh, golly, I get now, thx for straightening that out. Please, tell me of all your left ideologies. Then tell me of all your right ideologies. Wait, they're purely indep, that's right. Well tell me of your stance on taxes esp for teh rich. Oh, you say cut em as the alleged indep that you are. I see, then guns, abortion, bla, bla, bla.... You're a disgruntled Republican like Ron Paul the Republican president candidate. Libertarian ideals like you have are like 2 degrees off Repuiblican ones and the ideals that might be the furthest are the least impressive by Libertarians. Libertarians and Republicans are basically interchangeable, of course you won't agree but won't specify your ideals either

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just because i pointed out that both sides are to blame , this does not mean that i am from one party or the other.

AHHHHHHH, I see. Certainly the Dems have some blame, mostly in that they are too scared to tell the Repugnifucks to fuck off. Apathy is the fault of the Dem politicians. But all they do is unfuck teh messes of the right; I don't care what fantasy you live in, this isn't about you or me.

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Here is my point ... pointing fingers at the other party does nothing to help this country except divide us.

And that's why Obama does very little of that, he's too GD nice to be pres, I wish we had a tough bastard like FDR that would tell the other side to FO. But division or not, that's rhetoric, it's about policy that makes it work or not. Republican policies are failures; care to question that?

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The constitution starts with we the people

The US COnst was written by a bunch of lawyers who were rapists, murderers and slave owners talking about freedom and liberty; don't get too excited by it.

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...how does Blaming Bush help ?

It illustrates a good example of a bad example so maybe some of the electorate who actually have just a few brain cells might figure it out and not repeat.

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when both sides are to blame ?

Both side may be to blame, but EXTREMELY DISPROPORTIONATELY. You want to call 80-20 the same as 50-50; have a nice day.

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I think everyone should take off the blinders and carefully look at both sides with skepticism . and not blindly follow one party or the other.

I think people should look at policies, see which work, which are destructive, and then see which party applies which policies. You want to build a large scale ad hominem, I want workable policies.

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The way our founding father George Washington warned us to do when he gave his final speech to the people when he left office .

Oh, tell me of that what he said that was so invaluable. See, getting blushed cheeks over a guy who's been dead 200 years might be so irrelevant today that the grain of salt cliche should be applied. Again, it's real easy, LOOK AT WHAT POLICIES HAVE CONTEMPORARILY WORKED AND APPLY THEM.

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One last thing, don't you think the FF primarily warned future gens about tyranny? Don't you see the major corporations as the purveyors of this tyranny? They demand a 700B bailout for their lending failures/corruption and when Obama demands they start lending money again or else, they suck the market out 500 pts as a warning shot. Of course corporations are our friend, right?

The party you align with, the Republican Party, used to be about corporate control as with Teddy Roosevelt, now they've just become the Whig Party decades after that party's death.

Show me a major fed tax cut that has worked well.

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Show me a major fed tax cut that has worked well.

The 1981 and 1997 capital gains tax cuts.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Show me a major fed tax cut that has worked well.

The 1981 and 1997 capital gains tax cuts.

I wouldn't call them exactly major cuts for one, I'm talking cuts or increases that are massive so so we can see the effect.

The 1981, well, we see what your fascist leader did for the debt starting with his entire tax ciuts from 1981 where he lowered the top brkt from 70% to 50% and hammered spending. Look at the debt climb astronomically.

The 1997 CG cuts were a deal Clinton made to get the min wage increased and other [iggybacked deals. Not onlhy that but the 1993 substantial tax increases had been in play for years and the debt/deficit were already getting under control by then. Again, not a major tax cut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxpayer_Relief_Act_of_1997

---- Subject to certain phase-in rules, the top capital gains rate fell from 28% to 20%. The 15% bracket was lowered to 10%.

---- Starting in 1998, a $400 tax credit for each child under age 17 was introduced, which was increased to $500 in 1999. This credit was phased out for high income families.

So it was a welfare tax giveaway too.

--- The act exempted from taxation profits on the sale of a personal residence of up to $500,000 for married couples filing jointly and $250,000 for singles.

Again, an obsure tax cut for MC

---- The act also provided tax relief for retirement accounts as well as education savings in the Hope Scholarship Credit and Lifetime Learning Credits. Some expiring business tax provisions were extended.

Another cut for MC, but obscure as not everyone can use it.

--- It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on August 5, 1997.

Applied in 1998, the economy was already under great recovery by then. I'm talking major increases like the the Revenue Act of 1932, Reagan's massive tax cuts, etc. Hell, the tax cuts in 1925; pick your own, but keep them major so we can see things in large scale, not obscure.

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Show me a major fed tax cut that has worked well.

The 1981 and 1997 capital gains tax cuts.

I wouldn't call them exactly major cuts for one, I'm talking cuts or increases that are massive so so we can see the effect.

Increases of 24% of tax revenues (1983, from 1981 cut) and 71% (1999, from 1997 cut) aren't good enough for you?

No wonder you keep getting your ass handed to to every time you talk about the economy.

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The 1997 CG cuts were a deal Clinton made to get the min wage increased and other [iggybacked deals. Not onlhy that but the 1993 substantial tax increases had been in play for years and the debt/deficit were already getting under control by then. Again, not a major tax cut.

That would be the 1997 cut that resulted in a whole percentage point MORE growth afterward (4.2% vs 3.2%), right? Wage growing by 6.5% vs the 0.8% after the 93 tax increases?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Lucky , i read your post and i can't believe that you allow yourself to be sooo distracted by that one sided opinion of yours.

Your post is typical nonsense from the right.

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One last thing, don't you think the FF primarily warned future gens about tyranny? Don't you see the major corporations as the purveyors of this tyranny? They demand a 700B bailout for their lending failures/corruption and when Obama demands they start lending money again or else, they suck the market out 500 pts as a warning shot.

So many misstatements here.

The big banks didn't demand this bailout - they were told to take the money or else. Citi needed it, but Wells and JPM sure as hell didn't.

and the market tremors last week were not coming from a demand to lend more, but a threat to use them as a new source of tax money to overspend.

and then let's not gloss over the problem with telling banks to lend more, but also wanting to require higher levels of capital reserves than were maintained in the past.

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Lucky , i read your post and i can't believe that you allow yourself to be sooo distracted by that one sided opinion of yours.

Your post is typical nonsense from the right.

Emoticons and no letters? WHy bother? Really, just skim on by.

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Lucky , i read your post and i can't believe that you allow yourself to be sooo distracted by that one sided opinion of yours.

Your post is typical nonsense from the right.

Emoticons and no letters? WHy bother? Really, just skim on by.

because the post speaks to the irony and the humor of the exchange - without any diarherria posting or volumes of attachments from moveon, or foxnews or anything else

you start your own site and you can personally decide who posts what

I know pithy isn't in your vocab...

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants