The Age of the Killer Robot is No Longer a Sci-Fi Fantasy

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Our drones are still controlled from the ground, for that matter, as mentioned above.

Autonomous systems are being developed and are inevitably going to be deployed.

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Our drones are still controlled from the ground, for that matter, as mentioned above.

Autonomous systems are being developed and are inevitably going to be deployed.

I'm sure they will, at some point. I think we're safe from Skynet and the terminators at least for a while.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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>Modern society and communications would never tolerate the casualties
>we took in WWI and II, hell, even D-Day.

Sure we would. And with every attack by the enemy, we'd have ever more graphic reasons to hit them back even harder. Don't underestimate the power of propaganda.

>Pictures of captured, injured, tortured, and killed people (soldiers,
>civilians, children) is very powerful and with the Internet, easy to
>distribute worldwide and can quickly turn the public support of a war.

It can also just as quickly _add_ public support of a war. Even today, there are a great many people who support the war in Iraq - and that's without Iraqis killing people here in the US.

If Iraq had ever actually attacked the US - actually, say, nuked Manhattan - you really think the war would have had LESS support?

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> Our drones are still controlled from the ground, for that matter, as
>mentioned above.

Often they are not. Even today many missions are flown partly autonomously. The Global Hawk is designed to spend most of its mission flying without control from the ground.

(Of course, that is no more a risk of "the machines taking over" than use of an autopilot creates the risk of a computer hijacking a 747 and flying it to Cuba.)

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> Our drones are still controlled from the ground, for that matter, as
>mentioned above.

Often they are not. Even today many missions are flown partly autonomously. The Global Hawk is designed to spend most of its mission flying without control from the ground.

(Of course, that is no more a risk of "the machines taking over" than use of an autopilot creates the risk of a computer hijacking a 747 and flying it to Cuba.)

the machines won't take over - the universal announcer will (who will then control the machines)
(it's all for our own good)

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Often they are not. Even today many missions are flown partly autonomously. The Global Hawk is designed to spend most of its mission flying without control from the ground.

(Of course, that is no more a risk of "the machines taking over" than use of an autopilot creates the risk of a computer hijacking a 747 and flying it to Cuba.)

Global Hawks are also not armed. And, like the U2, will probably never be.

The furthest level of autonomy being pursued in armed (or "combat") unmanned air systems is in battle space management as Jan was referring to. Basically the aircraft are put on autonomous patrols and when an operator wants to attack something they take over one of the aircraft, and the system identifies the best one for the job.

The focus is on improving timeliness and relieving pilots of endurance limitations. A bomb dropped by a remote controlled drone that flew out to and patrolled its target area autonomously is probably safer than one dropped by a pilot flying hours in and hours out several times a week. There should always be a human in the loop, and it shouldn't be an exhausted one.

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that all reminds me of a story by philip k. dick, that dwelled in armed robots turning against men and wiping out humanity ...

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

dudeist skydiver # 666

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that all reminds me of a story by philip k. dick, that dwelled in armed robots turning against men and wiping out humanity ...

We're still a ways out from creating true AI, fearing it, trying to destroy it, and it destroying us just simply to survive.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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http://xkcd.com/534/

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>What happens when a robot kills a robot in combat? Who wins then?

The two soldiers who didn't die.

Here's a thought. At some point will these robots be controlled by civilian contractors? What happens when these civilian control stations start getting targeted. What if the control stations are in the middle of a population center rather than at Ft. Belvoir?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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Here's a thought. At some point will these robots be controlled by civilian contractors? What happens when these civilian control stations start getting targeted. What if the control stations are in the middle of a population center rather than at Ft. Belvoir?

That was more along the lines of what i was thinking when I asked the question!

You have t kill the operator to kill the robot right?

It is a good way to bring the battle to you home shores, i think that is maybe what america needs in order to pull its arrogant, unpatriotic, selfish head in!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Here's a thought. At some point will these robots be controlled by civilian contractors? What happens when these civilian control stations start getting targeted. What if the control stations are in the middle of a population center rather than at Ft. Belvoir?

That was more along the lines of what i was thinking when I asked the question!

You have t kill the operator to kill the robot right?

It is a good way to bring the battle to you home shores, i think that is maybe what america needs in order to pull its arrogant, unpatriotic, selfish head in!

You're missing a big chunk of the story. We'll just outsource it to third-world nations. That way we can just sit here thinking about how awesome we are without any risk. Sound about right?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[billvon 3,114]

> What if the control stations are in the middle of a population
>center rather than at Ft. Belvoir?

Then the NIMBYs will force them to move to Los Angeles; everyone wants to blow that place up anyway.

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that all reminds me of a story by philip k. dick, that dwelled in armed robots turning against men and wiping out humanity ...

We're still a ways out from creating true AI, fearing it, trying to destroy it, and it destroying us just simply to survive.

since this maybe true for now, the path we are threading/setting right now doesn't evoke any cozy feeligs nonetheless

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

dudeist skydiver # 666

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You're missing a big chunk of the story. We'll just outsource it to third-world nations. That way we can just sit here thinking about how awesome we are without any risk. Sound about right?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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since this maybe true for now, the path we are threading/setting right now doesn't evoke any cozy feeligs nonetheless

I would like to think the exposure of the morals and intentions of those that are creating this mess, coupled with the worlds abtlity to communcate freely with each other will eventuate to a revolution, hopefully a coherent and concise one.

By simply invoking the law for all, and making accounbtability mandatory for everyone, regardles of who has signed what naughty corrupt signature into place, will be enough.

The solution is pretty fucking simple, but many find it too difficult and complicted to comprehend.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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The solution is pretty fucking simple, but many find it too difficult and complicted to comprehend.

If people aren't willing to accept and abide by a solution then it's not really a solution is it?

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The solution is pretty fucking simple, but many find it too difficult and complicted to comprehend.

If people aren't willing to accept and abide by a solution then it's not really a solution is it?

If people continue to insist on making things way more complicated than they have to be, there aren't going to be easy answers.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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The solution is pretty fucking simple, but many find it too difficult and complicted to comprehend.

If people aren't willing to accept and abide by a solution then it's not really a solution is it?

If people continue to insist on making things way more complicated than they have to be, there aren't going to be easy answers.

Agreed. Things can just as easily be over-complicated as they can be over-simplified.

/edited to add: but if you're still holding out hope for an "easy" answer to a problem that involves this many people then you may find that hope wearing on you in not too long.

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The solution is pretty fucking simple, but many find it too difficult and complicted to comprehend.

If people aren't willing to accept and abide by a solution then it's not really a solution is it?

If people continue to insist on making things way more complicated than they have to be, there aren't going to be easy answers.

Agreed. Things can just as easily be over-complicated as they can be over-simplified.

/edited to add: but if you're still holding out hope for an "easy" answer to a problem that involves this many people then you may find that hope wearing on you in not too long.

It's not the number of people, it's the refusal to compromise...

On all sides.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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since this maybe true for now, the path we are threading/setting right now doesn't evoke any cozy feeligs nonetheless

I would like to think the exposure of the morals and intentions of those that are creating this mess, coupled with the worlds abtlity to communcate freely with each other will eventuate to a revolution, hopefully a coherent and concise one.

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but this hasn't happened in any revolution we know of so far

By simply invoking the law for all, and making accounbtability mandatory for everyone, regardles of who has signed what naughty corrupt signature into place, will be enough.

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and now we know why this will never work: accountability - how many people do you know being able to spell that out-of-date word correctly or understand the meaning (other than holding others accountable for their own misearble fucked up life)

The solution is pretty fucking simple, but many find it too difficult and complicted to comprehend.

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sorry, simple answers won't work in a world getting more complex and interdependant by the hour - as much as i would wish for "simple solutions" myself

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

dudeist skydiver # 666

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sorry, simple answers won't work in a world getting more complex and interdependant by the hour - as much as i would wish for "simple solutions" myself

This complex and multifaceted life we are sold is only one option. Mare citizens have to abide by the law, and those that have/give themselves the chance to have immunity from such laws should do so also, they have just made it so they don't have to and who would ever want to be responsable for changing it back?


This is all that has happened to allow the crooks of the world to take the joint over, if we can somehow invoke the law to everybody, then they will be more reluctant to try to pull the wool over our eyes. Popular opinion also takes precedent and common sence is more and more often being ignored or manipulated to the benifit of the wrong people.

If these people would know they would face the same consequences as us joe citizens, then they would be as likely to refrain as much as we mostly don't want to face the consequences. And the cushier our lifestyles are the less we would be willing to compromise them.

Them having immunity just creates the chain reacton down the line, this world is being run by criminals and they are manipulating 'the book' to please themselves, we have become more apathetic and less patriotic, due to these wonderful things we wish not to lose.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[feuergnom 29]

welcome to philosophy part one

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these wonderful things we wish not to lose.

these things are nothing more than the fulfillment of our "wants". or needs are something completely different.
what really need:
1) to breath
2) water
3) food
4) clothing (depending on climate)
5) sex & relationships (obvious. no sex no kids no more humans)

everythings else is just a surplus we have developed

for the rest of your thoughts: yep, that pretty much sums up the gutfeeling and the things i would wish for

The universal aptitude for ineptitude makes any human accomplishment an incredible miracle

dudeist skydiver # 666