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I have this general opinion: War is an extreme; it is not sustainable. Peace is an extreme; it is not sustainable.

Yea, Sweeden has had a hell of a time sustaining peace, huh?

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Prysner...a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

Scroll down here to see parts of his record. He was a Imagery Ground Station operator...he likely never left the FOB.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=140740.html

And yet he served in the military, I'm guessing you didn't. Of course the party of tea baggers who show dissent only love selective dissent.

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Prysner...a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

Scroll down here to see parts of his record. He was a Imagery Ground Station operator...he likely never left the FOB.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=140740.html

Thxs for the 411 ... now I know not to waste any time watching this fellow's video.

PS: If I am not mistaken you are a veteran and you did pay a pretty big price for your efforts. I will take your word on combat before I take the word of someone from the "Party for Socialism and Liberation".

That's right, the most important issue is not found in the merits but in the character, opinions, etc of the person delivering the message.

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You are still under the ASSumption that there is no evil in the world.

War on drugs

War on Terrorism

War on Communism

Just keep looking for wars and you'll find them. Funny how nations that look for peace seem to find that...... hmmmmm.

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Terrorism is a huge problem in the world. We've had terrorism from the US, from the IRA, from the Tamil Tigers, from Al Qaeda and from the Taliban. We've had plenty of wars based on eradicating those groups. Has it ever worked?

Since the agenda was profit.... why yes it did work.

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I have an idea.... how bout we make war absolutely and totally unacceptable,

How do you propose to make the other side think of war as absolutely and totally unacceptable?

easy, nuke the fuck out of them.

The thing is that we nuked the fuck out of women and children; they weren't in a position to be made aware of anything. That was teh US' most cowardly act since the fleecing of the American Indians.

How many Americans do you think might have died in the invasions planned for just a few months after the bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Even though my father survived 3 major battles where he and thousands of other Americans were killed or wounded... he probably would not have survived an invasion of Japsn itself. It is VERY likely many HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS of our men would have died as a result of an invasion of the island of Honshu

How may women and children lived because those bombs were not dropped... the civilian death toll would have reached into the MILLIONS because of the beliefs of the japanese people. And before you start.... perhaps a review of the percentage of civilan deaths on Saipan and other Sacred Japanese territory might be instructive. Many civilians prefered death to the dishonor of surrender or capture.

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Prysner...a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

Scroll down here to see parts of his record. He was a Imagery Ground Station operator...he likely never left the FOB.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=140740.html

And yet he served in the military, I'm guessing you didn't. Of course the party of tea baggers who show dissent only love selective dissent.

Lucky...WAY out of line there. Max lost a leg in Iraq,,,, he has walked the walk

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How many Americans do you think might have died in the invasions planned for just a few months after the bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So in your mind it was justifyable terrorim? OK, it WAS terrorism to drop the bombs, that's a given based upon the definition of the word, "terrorism" in the dictionary; do you agree? Now give me your BS about how justification makes it 'un-terrorism.' The number of US tropps that would have died just justifies the terrorist act of killing 300k mostly women and children, it doesn't remove the definition of terrorism from the act, just as AQ's 911 act was terrorist and whatever BS reasons they had don't remove the terrorism from it.

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Even though my father survived 3 major battles where he and thousands of other Americans were killed or wounded... he probably would not have survived an invasion of Japsn itself. It is VERY likely many HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS of our men would have died as a result of an invasion of the island of Honshu

I see, both theatres caused just over 400k dead US heroes, but to invade Japan would have killed 100's of thousands? Not likely - just doesn't make sense. BTW, my dad's brother died in Germany in WWII. Again, to mitigate the number of potential dead US soldiers doesn't undo the classification of the acts being terroristic, they were terrorism per the definition.

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How may women and children lived because those bombs were not dropped... the civilian death toll would have reached into the MILLIONS because of the beliefs of the japanese people.

So now you're Jean Dixon? You don't know the death tolls. Furthermore, dropping 1 bomb as a warning exhibition could have been tried and wasn't. Dropping a bomb on riddled Tokyo could have been tried and wasn't. WE INTENTIONALLY CHOSE TO DROP BOMBS ON CITIES THAT WERE MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL AND THAT HAD NOT BEEN CONVENTIONALLY BOMBED BEFORE. WE WANTED LARGE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.

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And before you start.... perhaps a review of the percentage of civilan deaths on Saipan and other Sacred Japanese territory might be instructive.

And before you start, junior, I've been to the cliff where many Japanese jumped to their death. I've flown over Tinian, I know a shitload about that history. Just because civilians and Japanese soldiers died in Saipan that doesn't make our act of terrorism not an act of terrorism. It might justify it to you and that's your opinion, but you cannot undo the definition for good cause.

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Many civilians prefered death to the dishonor of surrender or capture.

And many chose not to be bombed after a conditional surrender was offered, esp ones who lived in citied that were basically not military cities.

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Prysner...a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

Scroll down here to see parts of his record. He was a Imagery Ground Station operator...he likely never left the FOB.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=140740.html

And yet he served in the military, I'm guessing you didn't. Of course the party of tea baggers who show dissent only love selective dissent.

Lucky...WAY out of line there. Max lost a leg in Iraq,,,, he has walked the walk

He didn't make that known to me so I'm not out of line. But I salute all US soldiers of all wars - the best of the best. I do retract that assertion about not being in the military.

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And yet he served in the military, I'm guessing you didn't.

I am guessing you are not aware of the sacrifice Gawain has paid for his country.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=2129353;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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And yet he served in the military, I'm guessing you didn't.

I am guessing you are not aware of the sacrifice Gawain has paid for his country.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=2129353;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25;

This was covered, I don't do Bonfire so I didn't know, but this is accessory to the issue. Is Gawain or anyone saying this war dissenter has sacrificed less because he didn't see action? Furthermore, who knows what this guy saw? Again, all war vets have a right to their opinion. Losing body parts or a life renders a great sacrifice, but all US war vets are huge on my list and I don't diminish one over teh other. Thsi thread is now going to tangent and I'd rather keep it on track to the merits of what this guy said.

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It's easy to nuke the fuck out of strangers, harder to do it to your friends and family.

Not so hard to strap a bomb to you kid and send him in a crowd if you are a Palestinian.

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“The Martyr Wajdi [aged 14, said] to his father: ‘I will bring you a Shahada (Martyrdom) that you will be proud of for the rest of your life’. His mother says: ‘My son is not my son only, he belongs to his noble Palestinian people… One of his friends said that the last words of the Martyr, that he repeated over and over, spoke of the significance of Martyrdom and on becoming a Martyr.” [Al Hayat - Al Jadida, 8 November 2000].

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“[He] sacrificed his son (aged 18) in order to redeem the homeland and Jerusalem. He stated that becoming a Martyr is a tremendous source of pride and a medal on his chest... he added that his son always spoke about martyrdom and his desire to become a Martyr.”
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" I will take my soul in my hand and toss it into the abyss of death.
And then either life that will gladden friends or death that will anger the enemy.
The honorable soul has two objectives: Achieving death and honor."

‘Song of the Martyr’ recited by schoolgirls.
(The poem appears in 5th, 6th and 12th grade PA school books) [PATV, 27 October 2000]
This current promotion of Martyrdom is part of a long-term phenomenon in the Palestinian society. PA television in 1998 described two mothers’ joy at their children’s “Martyrdom” in the Intifada, as follows:

How do you propose to make the above to think of war as absolutely and totally unacceptable? How do you make it more real than see your kid blown to bits by your own hand.

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I have this general opinion: War is an extreme; it is not sustainable. Peace is an extreme; it is not sustainable.

Yea, Sweeden has had a hell of a time sustaining peace, huh?

You don't see Sweden's military at practice. Do not confuse their "lack of involvement" as some sort of peace-at-all-cost agenda. They will fight at a drop of the hat. Might not be for our reasons, but they will.

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Prysner...a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

Scroll down here to see parts of his record. He was a Imagery Ground Station operator...he likely never left the FOB.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=140740.html

And yet he served in the military, I'm guessing you didn't. Of course the party of tea baggers who show dissent only love selective dissent.

Lucky...WAY out of line there. Max lost a leg in Iraq,,,, he has walked the walk

Don't worry about it Jeane...that's the second time he's accused me of not serving. All poseurs forget how to maintain the lies every now and again.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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I have this general opinion: War is an extreme; it is not sustainable. Peace is an extreme; it is not sustainable.

Yea, Sweeden has had a hell of a time sustaining peace, huh?

You don't see Sweden's military at practice. Do not confuse their "lack of involvement" as some sort of peace-at-all-cost agenda. They will fight at a drop of the hat. Might not be for our reasons, but they will.

The diff is that they use it as a very last option, we use it as practice and exhibition.

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Prysner...a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

Scroll down here to see parts of his record. He was a Imagery Ground Station operator...he likely never left the FOB.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=140740.html

And yet he served in the military, I'm guessing you didn't. Of course the party of tea baggers who show dissent only love selective dissent.

Lucky...WAY out of line there. Max lost a leg in Iraq,,,, he has walked the walk

Don't worry about it Jeane...that's the second time he's accused me of not serving. All poseurs forget how to maintain the lies every now and again.

I've never claimed to be a war vet, just a peacetime vet. In that regard I'm not a poser and I wished I was a wartime soldier as I served, as VN ended only 8 years after I enlisted, but it didn't take long to exit the military to realize I was fortunate not to have served during war for a myriad of reasons. But I was willing and stupidly excited about going to war at a moment's notice.

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amen.

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When you think how tiny we are in this great big Universe, just microscopic specks in the big picture,

To want to war with each other takes on a new meaning,

Its like two people living in the same room, never leaving, both waiting to attack each other with axe's,

And imagine that the room was there for 13.7 billion years, that these two people were born of this room just a few thousand years ago, that they spent most of there time sitting, watching the other, sharpening there axe's

Is that a way to live?

Here's somth to put that into perspective,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGxRWCmwSDE



not sure about the words at the end.......... it created itself surely

Life is a series of wonderful opportunities,
brilliantly disguised as impossible situations.

tonysuits.com

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He didn't make that known to me so I'm not out of line. But I salute all US soldiers of all wars - the best of the best. I do retract that assertion about not being in the military.

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I have this general opinion: War is an extreme; it is not sustainable. Peace is an extreme; it is not sustainable.

Yea, Sweeden has had a hell of a time sustaining peace, huh?

You don't see Sweden's military at practice. Do not confuse their "lack of involvement" as some sort of peace-at-all-cost agenda. They will fight at a drop of the hat. Might not be for our reasons, but they will.

The diff is that they use it as a very last option, we use it as practice and exhibition.

that's not the point. The point is, they know it is not sustainable and will not last forever.

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Um, You dont know who Max is do you?

But His observation is valid, rarely would a Fobbit see or partake in any if the things he claimed claimed in the video.

But as I only have around 21 months of experiance with it there is a chance I am wrong, he could have been one of those detailed over to patroling since the job was used little.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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wow that was quite a nice wee vid there tony, our planet is very small, much smaller than most want to beleive.

The war verteran speaking out was gut wrenching stuff,the comments from the right wingers are expected.

Americas ability to be a super power is based on the the rest of the worlds acceptance of thier morals, as long as people like you show us that America does care, it allows us to accept that these neo con idiots are just a small percentage but outspoken enough to seem to portray a much higher percentage, that is thier forte though, deception.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix