Canadian terror cell

[happythoughts 0]

[url"http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100122/ap_on_re_ca/cn_canada_terror_trial"]Canadian terror cell[/url]

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BRAMPTON, Ontario – A member of a homegrown terrorist group was found guilty Thursday of participating in a plot to set off truck bombs in front of Canada's main stock exchange and two government buildings.

Shareef Abdelhaleem, 34, was a member of the so-called Toronto 18 plot to set off bombs outside Toronto's Stock Exchange, a building housing Canada's spy agency and a military base. The goal was to scare Canada into removing its troops from Afghanistan.

The prosecution prevailed because the defense elected not to present any evidence to establish Abdelhaleem's guilt or innocence, said Dan Brien, a spokesman with the Public Prosecution Service of Canada.

The prosecution's only witness, Shaher Elsohemy, was a former friend of Abdelhaleem who became a police agent and infiltrated the terror cell.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

If you can believe it, our Liberal judicial system will be releasing these Jihadist within the next couple of years as free men. If the USA ever releases Omar Khadr (a Canadian born man who was caught by US forces in Afghanistan and is accused of throwing a grenade and killing a US medic after the fire fight was over) is ever released from Gitanimo and returned back to Canada, he will be greeted with a hero's welcome parade through the streets of Toronto.

If you were smart you would start keeping a careful eye what goes on up here in Canuckistan. I shit you not, there are millions and millions of people who hate your guts, who would love to see the USA destroyed. Some of these Canadian citizens who hate your guts are actually from Somalia, some are from Yemen, many from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, etc, etc, etc. But most are actually born right here in Canada.

I know I will likely catch shit from a few Canadians for saying all this here on dizzy.com ... they will deny it. But deep down they know it's true. There are millions and millions of Canadian citizens who would be very happy if the USA was to suffer another major attack. Of course there would be millions and millions more Canadians who would be angry, sad and disgusted. It is a divided nation.

Keep an eye on Canada ... under the Liberal Party of Canada leadership (which will return to power at some point in time), there is a "no questions asked" immigration policy.

PS: Google "Air India Flight 182" if you are curious. Canada is the only nation on this planet where you can admit that you built the bomb which blew up a 747 killing 300+ people, and still be allowed to walk as a free man on the streets. The judicial system in Canada is a fucking joke.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/06/02/f-toronto-timeline.html
http://search.cbc.ca/search?ie=UTF-8&site=CBC&output=xml_no_dtd&client=CBC&lr=&getfields=description&proxystylesheet=CBC&oe=UTF-8&searchWeb=cbc&q=bomb+plot+case

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[skydiver604 0]

I agree 100%

"The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo

[JohnRich 4]

But, why do muslim terrorists want to blow-up things in Canada?

They don't have a Gitmo prison.
They don't have biblical references on their rifle sight's serial numbers.
They don't have George Bush as a former president.
They don't have a history of meddling in Middle East affairs.

I thought that if we just left the muslims alone, that they would love us all. I don't understand.

[champu 1]

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I thought that if we just left the muslims alone, that they would love us all. I don't understand.

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The goal was to scare Canada into removing its troops from Afghanistan.

The "extremist movement" (which I'll refrain from referring to wholesale as Al-Qaida) sees the resolve of the civilian populace as the weak link in the chain, and they're correct. It's an interesting illustration of just how backwards the culture is between the west and islamic nations in the middle east and southwest asia.

Over there you have fringe fundamentalists conducting attacks on us and claiming they are doing so because they think we have it in for the whole of Islam. When we attack the leadership of the fundamentalists in return (establishing, one would hope, that we really just have it in for the people who are trying to kill us) a large portion of the greater populace interprets this as the affront to Islam that the fundamentalists claimed was happening. A smaller, but real, portion joins the fight.

Over here you have our executive arms conducting attacks on the fundamentalists claiming they are doing so because the fundamentalists have it in for the whole of the west. When fundamentalists conduct or attempt an attack on the greater populace or make death threats over cartoons (establishing, one would hope, that those few fundamentalists do have it in for the whole of the west) a large portion of the greater populace interprets this as evidence that they are right in thinking that we really just need to leave them alone. A smaller, but real, portion votes the current leadership out of office.


Note: I realize I say "fundamentalists" seven times in this post (now eight) but the third paragraph was a mess to follow calling everyone "they."

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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If you can believe it, our Liberal judicial system will be releasing these Jihadist within the next couple of years as free men.

The leader of the group received a life sentence. Some of the followers have received less. Last week one guy was deemed to be involved but not necessarily a "member" (rather a pawn); he received a seven year sentence. Time served amounted to 4+ years meaning he was immediately eligible for early release as it was his first offense. Several others have had the charges dropped (guilty of no more than being gullible little assholes).

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If the USA ever releases Omar Khadr (a Canadian born man who was caught by US forces in Afghanistan and is accused of throwing a grenade and killing a US medic after the fire fight was over) is ever released from Gitanimo and returned back to Canada, he will be greeted with a hero's welcome parade through the streets of Toronto.

The khadr case has become a cause celebre amongst the left up here for several reasons. First because he was a child at the time and many people around the world feel that child warriors bear little if any responsibility for their actions. Second because the idea that a fire fight is over while one side is still firing hand grenades is ludicrous. Third because of a widely held belief (shared by the POTUS) that Gitmo is illegal. Fourth because it is clear that the Canadian government was not only compliant with, but participated in, the torturing of a child. The real problem is that the chance of rehabilitating this guy approaches zero and no one knows what the fuck to do with him.

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If you were smart you would start keeping a careful eye what goes on up here in Canuckistan. I shit you not, there are millions and millions of people who hate your guts, who would love to see the USA destroyed. Some of these Canadian citizens who hate your guts are actually from Somalia, some are from Yemen, many from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, etc, etc, etc. But most are actually born right here in Canada.

I know I will likely catch shit from a few Canadians for saying all this here on dizzy.com ... they will deny it. But deep down they know it's true. There are millions and millions of Canadian citizens who would be very happy if the USA was to suffer another major attack. Of course there would be millions and millions more Canadians who would be angry, sad and disgusted. It is a divided nation.

Keep an eye on Canada ... under the Liberal Party of Canada leadership (which will return to power at some point in time), there is a "no questions asked" immigration policy.

As usual your position on the far fringe of the Canadian body politic leads you to grossly exaggerate. While the Canadian left considers anti-Americanism to be chic, as does the left in virtually all western countries (including the US), those who truly experience schadenfreude towards the US are like you, on the fringe.

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PS: Google "Air India Flight 182" if you are curious. Canada is the only nation on this planet where you can admit that you built the bomb which blew up a 747 killing 300+ people, and still be allowed to walk as a free man on the streets. The judicial system in Canada is a fucking joke.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/06/02/f-toronto-timeline.html
http://search.cbc.ca/search?ie=UTF-8&site=CBC&output=xml_no_dtd&client=CBC&lr=&getfields=description&proxystylesheet=CBC&oe=UTF-8&searchWeb=cbc&q=bomb+plot+case

The justice system abjectly failed on this file. The truth is that the bombmaker was in prison at time and Canada's concurrent sentencing laws probably precluded him from getting any more time. The prosecution wanted the other two enough to make the deal; they were desperate. The fact that they failed to convict indicated that they never had the goods in the first place. No one likes it, but the price of living in a country with a balanced criminal justice system is that sometimes the bad guy gets way.

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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the price of living in a country with a balanced criminal justice system is that sometimes the bad guy gets way.

Unless someone is a Clifford Olson type of killer, you know damn well that a life sentence in Canada does not mean life. To top it off we have that lovely 2 for 1 deal which is used by the defense lawyers to their advantage.

The Canadian justice system is NOT balanced. It is a fucking joke.

Criminals of the world come to Canada ... our justice system is setup to treat you with all the rights and privileges you could ever imagine. If we catch you murdering someone and find you guilty we WILL sentence you to life in prison. Ohhhh aghhh ... sounds scary. But let's examine this. Life in prison in Canada is 25 years. On average it takes about 4 years from capture to conviction. With our 2 for 1 program, that means you can knock off 4 years from the sentence. But life in prison is never life in prison, since we strongly believe that 1st degree murderers should be eligible for parole in half this time. So 25 years is actually only about 12 years (on average), drop the 4 years for your 2 for 1 and someone who is convicted of 1st degree murder in Canada has a decent chance of only ever serving 8 years in prison. Meanwhile the victim of the murderous crime is given a real life sentence ... in that they lost their life.

Balanced criminal justice system? Balanced only in the eyes of a Liberal.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[Andrewwhyte 1]

Life in prison is not 25 years; it is life. It doesn't matter how many times people repeat that myth it doesn't make it true. Someone who receives a life sentence will be under that sentence for life. Parole is a possibility (in theory) for all after 10 (second degree murder), 20 (first degree murder), or 25 (not sure here but it may be high treason) years. The 25 year limit is in accordance with the Rome Statute of the International criminal court (article 110). Nothing mandates a guaranteed release. You are correct that the faint hope clause can cut these application times in half, but I have never heard of one being successfully used. Your assertion that the "average" is 12 years in a "life-25" sentence is horseshit.
I agree that the two for one rule about pre-sentencing time served is bullshit. Fortunately the government is currently moving to remove it.

[wildWilly 0]

Ya and here's what another one got.
PATHETIC

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/01/20/12549811.html

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