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I don't have the votes

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Washington (CNN) -- The Senate health care bill has too many unpopular provisions to win approval from the House at this time, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday.

Pelosi's comment to reporters appeared to dash the chances that Democrats will take the easiest route for passing a health care bill: having the House approve the Senate version unchanged.

"I don't think it's possible to pass the Senate bill in the House," Pelosi said. "I don't see the votes for it at this time."

Good - now they can try to find a better way. Taking down the bar and allowing insurance companies to sell between states would be a start.

Mike
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It would be much better to throw away the Senate version, and vote for House version.

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It would be much better to throw away the Senate version, and vote for House version.

Best to throw out BOTH pieces of crap and start over.

Mike
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And once you start over, you'll end up pretty much with House version.

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And once you start over, you'll end up pretty much with House version.

Nope. Maybe you're not paying attention, but the last three big elections held in the past three months are indicators that folks aren't interested in Congressional solutions to health care. There are two very large pink elephants in the room, one is named "Economy" and the other is named "War".

Glad you're keeping up with current events. Even if they did start over again, there's no way a "House" version would pass the Senate, and there are about 40 democrats in the House that weren't interested in the Senate version.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Glad you're keeping up with current events. Even if they did start over again, there's no way a "House" version would pass the Senate, and there are about 40 democrats in the House that weren't interested in the Senate version.

It does not matter. As I showed you before, just banning preexisting conditions will not work, and working around those issues will quickly bring this whole train back. Or they may choose to do nothing, which will make things worse as well once Cobra subsidies stop.

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Glad you're keeping up with current events. Even if they did start over again, there's no way a "House" version would pass the Senate, and there are about 40 democrats in the House that weren't interested in the Senate version.

It does not matter.

Um, yes it does. If the legislators cannot reconcile bills from each house, the bills do not make it to vote, or get voted down, or if there's too much of one versus another, it even risks Presidential veto...so, yeah, it matters that there were Congressmen that did not like the Senate bill. The Senators had to be led to water, and have their faces shoved in the pool to drink the bill that came forth courtesy of Sens. Reid, Baucus, and whomever...

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As I showed you before, just banning preexisting conditions will not work, and working around those issues will quickly bring this whole train back. Or they may choose to do nothing, which will make things worse as well once Cobra subsidies stop.

I'm not talking about specific components here, we've sparred with that in the other thread, where I still disagree with you. This is about the package as a whole. When Speaker Pelosi doesn't even try to browbeat submission from the democrat caucus, you know the legislation is as good as dead.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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It would be much better to throw away the Senate version, and vote for House version.

Politically, it simply won't happen. For all intents and purposes, when the Senate cobbled together its version, thanks to Leiberman being the swing vote to axe the public option, the Senate was effectively rejecting the House version. The Senate's not about to go back on that; and plenty of members of the House are damned if they'll vote for a bill that guts the core principles of their version. Neither chamber will accept the other's bill, or is there any chance the two bills can be reconciled in a conference committee. End of story.

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Its just like when Hillary tried to fix health care.. a lot of hearings ad nausaum and in the end nada, zip butkus..

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The Senate's not about to go back on that;

Let's see what happens once ten or so more senators are voted out of office.

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The Senate's not about to go back on that;

Let's see what happens once ten or so more senators are voted out of office.

For clairification

So, you are saying Senators will get voted out of office for voting against the HC bill?

(maybe I misunderstood)

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The Senate's not about to go back on that;

Let's see what happens once ten or so more senators are voted out of office.

There are always a few senators voted out of office. I doubt the number will be as high as 10 in 2010. But traditionally, Congressional elections don't go very well for a President's party in the sophomore year of his administration. If that holds true in 2010 - and my spidey sense tells me that may happen - then the net gain in the Senate will probably be Republican - and that means the Senate will not liberalize its health care bill after the elections. That would only be able to happen if the net electoral gain in the Senate is overwhelmingly Democratic; and I just don't think that's very likely.

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The Senate's not about to go back on that;

Let's see what happens once ten or so more senators are voted out of office.

There are always a few senators voted out of office. I doubt the number will be as high as 10 in 2010. But traditionally, Congressional elections don't go very well for a President's party in the sophomore year of his administration. If that holds true in 2010 - and my spidey sense tells me that may happen - then the net gain in the Senate will probably be Republican - and that means the Senate will not liberalize its health care bill after the elections. That would only be able to happen if the net electoral gain in the Senate is overwhelmingly Democratic; and I just don't think that's very likely.

Agreed but, the depth of the change will hinge more on the economy than HC I think

Economy turns around, the damage to the Dem majority will be minimal. If it does not, well, it will look like Mass on a national scale

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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the depth of the change will hinge more on the economy than HC I think

Economy turns around, the damage to the Dem majority will be minimal. If it does not, well, it will look like Mass on a national scale

Agreed.

Imagine that.

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So, you are saying Senators will get voted out of office for voting against the HC bill?

No, for making their crappy version of the HC bill.

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So, you are saying Senators will get voted out of office for voting against the HC bill?

No, for making their crappy version of the HC bill.

Oh, so the bill was not left wing radical enough so that is why Dems will get voted out.

RRrrrrrrriiiiiiiigggghhhhhtttttt

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Pelosi said: "I don't see the votes for it at this time."

Well, then why not continue what has been going on so far: Pay off some politicians by giving their states or districts a billion here or a billion there. Maybe give the unions some cash on top of the sweet deal you already promised them, just in case.

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So, you are saying Senators will get voted out of office for voting against the HC bill?

No, for making their crappy version of the HC bill.

Dude, they're going to get voted out of office for not tackling the obstacles in the economy and wasting a year on this bill to begin with.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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So, you are saying Senators will get voted out of office for voting against the HC bill?

You asked this to George; but I suppose it's possible, hypothetically, if the majority of his/her voting constituents supported the bill.

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So, you are saying Senators will get voted out of office for voting against the HC bill?

You asked this to George; but I suppose it's possible, hypothetically, if the majority of his/her voting constituents supported the bill.

Well, we have yet to see a state or a district where this is even close to being the case

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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There are always a few senators voted out of office. I doubt the number will be as high as 10 in 2010. But traditionally, Congressional elections don't go very well for a President's party in the sophomore year of his administration. If that holds true in 2010 - and my spidey sense tells me that may happen - then the net gain in the Senate will probably be Republican - and that means the Senate will not liberalize its health care bill after the elections. That would only be able to happen if the net electoral gain in the Senate is overwhelmingly Democratic; and I just don't think that's very likely.

Thank you for the interesting information, this is new to me. Indeed, it looks like a chance is pretty low. But the people frustration seems to go up, and unless there are some major improvements in at least some of important issues (economy, healthcare, wars), I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people would vote for someone who is not in the office just because they're pissed off with all this politics.

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Oh, so the bill was not left wing radical enough so that is why Dems will get voted out.

Yeah, I'd like it to cover abortions without any restrictions. But I'd agree even as they had it in the House - was good enough for me. Indeed, I would be among those paying for that (as we are in this income bracket), but this is not something which concerns me. I'd be more pissed off paying for "green energy", which I do not believe in.

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Well, we have yet to see a state or a district where this is even close to being the case

I can think of two (if you're talking about Senate bill) :D

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I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people would vote for someone who is not in the office just because they're pissed off with all this politics.

People have been saying that since elected democracy was first invented.

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I don't have the votes

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Washington (CNN) -- The Senate health care bill has too many unpopular provisions to win approval from the House at this time, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday.

Pelosi's comment to reporters appeared to dash the chances that Democrats will take the easiest route for passing a health care bill: having the House approve the Senate version unchanged.

"I don't think it's possible to pass the Senate bill in the House," Pelosi said. "I don't see the votes for it at this time."

Good - now they can try to find a better way. Taking down the bar and allowing insurance companies to sell between states would be a start.

In terms of Republicans, that's a complete overhaul. It benefits corporations, it's called, "Deregulation." Amazing, a republican advocating corporate rights. Corporatism is an element of fascism.