georgerussia 0 #301 February 2, 2010 Quote explain it to me then. I'm pretty reasonable, and have even admitted here when I've misinterpreted statements made by others. Indeed, you're one of very reasonable gun owners here, and you obviously deserve a well-though answer. Quote What I see you proposing is a society where all you have to do is rat someone out and the gun collection squad will go busting down their doors in full riot gear. (because after they start getting shot at, they'll start treating gun confiscations as hostile events) It depends on how it is implemented. Yours is kinda on extreme side (although it was done exactly like that in a post-war Russia). For example, it might start with a regular postal mail saying something like that we have information that you have illegal guns, and you're offered a chance to surrender them by paying a small $500 fine and avoiding any criminal charges. I guess a lot of people would take that.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #302 February 2, 2010 Your one warning. Cut it out. Attack the post, not the poster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #303 February 2, 2010 Quote It depends on how it is implemented. Yours is kinda on extreme side (although it was done exactly like that in a post-war Russia). For example, it might start with a regular postal mail saying something like that we have information that you have illegal guns, and you're offered a chance to surrender them by paying a small $500 fine and avoiding any criminal charges. I guess a lot of people would take that. yeah.... Those guns? I sold them before the ban. Nope, didn't get the guy's name. he was from AZ. Dave something or another. Seemed like a nice enough guy. And yes. I, a law abiding gun owner, would break that law. I would cache my weapons in some capped 6" diameter PVC pipe buried off my property. Something that is that contrary to our Constitution, I would take as a preamble to civil war. Though I don't know who they'd get to collect the guns in TX. I can't find it now, but a few years ago I read a poll of TX DPS officers. 60% said they'd refuse to collect firearms from the public in the event of a ban.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #304 February 2, 2010 Quote It depends on how it is implemented. Yours is kinda on extreme side (although it was done exactly like that in a post-war Russia). For example, it might start with a regular postal mail saying something like that we have information that you have illegal guns, and you're offered a chance to surrender them by paying a small $500 fine and avoiding any criminal charges. I guess a lot of people would take that. Might want to review the SKS event in California. That tainted the well. Then the low compliance with the AW registration requirement. And last, the failure of the registry in Canada. No, what will happen is millions of gun owners will all 'lose their guns' to theft or something like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #305 February 2, 2010 Quote And yes. I, a law abiding gun owner, would break that law. I would cache my weapons in some capped 6" diameter PVC pipe buried off my property. Something that is that contrary to our Constitution, I would take as a preamble to civil war. Indeed it would be naive to expect 100% compliance with the gun ban. But it does not matter. History shows that the law compliance rate is typically large enough to provide significant reduction in gun crime. For most people their guns would not be worth spending a year in federal prison. Quote And yes. I, a law abiding gun owner, would break that law. I would cache my weapons in some capped 6" diameter PVC pipe buried off my property Technically by doing so you would be abandoning them, so I'm not even sure it would be considered breaking the law. But what is the point? This way you wouldn't be able to use them for self-defense against criminals, and even taking care of those guns would be quite risky (a chance to get noticed while excavating or burying them, a chance to be stopped by cops while driving them back, cleaning them up carefully not to leave fingerprints and so on) so I don't think a number of people doing so would be significant enough.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #306 February 2, 2010 Quote History shows that the law compliance rate is typically large enough to provide significant reduction in gun crime. For most people their guns would not be worth spending a year in federal prison. Look back at your world history. What industrialized nations have disarmed their citizens where there was not a large number of citizens leaving the country shortly thereafter indeed with some of them being shot in the process. Isn't that much like prison itself? yes, well the reason to cache weapons isn't for home defense. Your world history isn't that poor is it? For personal defense I'd have to resort to the usual blunt items and hope the guy robbing my house couldn't get a gun from his buddies. Doesn't help my wife, as she can't swing a bat (if those would still be legal) as hard as I can and would probably piss the intruder off. So I can't call a bat or golf club "home defense" as even though my wife is trained in it's use, she's not as effective with it as I would be. (quote not the case with a handgun. She's a decent shot)-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vanair 0 #307 February 2, 2010 One of the best legal items for home defense is wasp spray. Squirts out in a stream 20-30 feet, worse than pepper spray or mace. Only down side, doesn't come in small easy to carry cans like pepper spray does. Also if you work late or alone won't raise eyebrows like a can of mace might sitting handy in your office. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #308 February 6, 2010 Quote Look back at your world history. What industrialized nations have disarmed their citizens where there was not a large number of citizens leaving the country shortly thereafter indeed with some of them being shot in the process. Isn't that much like prison itself? Not really. It is a government which dramatically changes first (like going from republic to dictatorship), and this change leads to people leaving. The attempt to disarm citizens is a consequence of this change, it is not the cause. It is not act of disarming itself which makes a large number of them to leave, it's the change in the government. Quote For personal defense I'd have to resort to the usual blunt items and hope the guy robbing my house couldn't get a gun from his buddies. Works fine enough in Europe as well as more than half of U.S. population. OTOH, having a gun doesn't always help.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
