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Do you honestly think your high school teacher has more expertise with physics than Bill or Kallend?

Do you think that Bill and kallend have more experience than these guys;

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Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret; Exec VP, Millennium III Corp; Vice-Pres, Space Communications Co; Director of Advanced Space Programs Development, US Space Division (USAF); 101 combat missions F4, Vietnam; Head of Aero. Eng. Dept & Asst Dean, AF Inst of Tech, WPAFB.

"The official explanation in the NIST report violates the laws of physics. It is physically impossible for a building (or anything else) to fall at near-free-fall speed and do work (smashing steel and concrete) on the way down. An external energy input (like explosives) is absolutely essential. In addition, for the top of one of the towers to tip about 30 degrees and NOT continue tipping and falling off violates the law of conservation of angular momentum. The symmetrical collapse of building 7 due to highly asymmetrical damage is also unbelievable. We have not yet been told the truth. If the government has nothing to hide, why continue to hide everything? Why not a new and truly independent investigation?"

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William J. Cundiff
P.E.
Lic: MA Civil Engineer 39097
BSCE
Whitinsville, MA

I have over 20 years experience as a civil engineer with a diverse background in environmental, structural, land surveying and civil engineering. I have worked for worldwide consulting firms, for myself and for local government.

• Personal 9/11 Statement:

The speed at which the buildings fell should be the most obvious and least technical indication that explosives were used. Most engineers as well as non-technical people should be able to grasp this.

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Dennis M. Fischer
Engineering Consultant
MSCE, BSCE
Naperville, IL
• Bio:

Graduate of University of Illinois in Civil Engineering (BSCE- 1965, MSCE- 1966 majoring in structures. Professional Engineer with 40 years experience.

• Personal 9/11 Statement:

In my professional opinion and after analyzing the many explanations by the government and 9/11 Truth websites and professionals, I believe all three buildings were demolished by controlled demolition.

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Roland Edward Angle
Civil Engineer
Lic: CA Civil Engineer 18242 exp 2009
B.S. U.C. Berkeley
Alameda, CA
• Bio:

CA License 18242. Forty years experience in Civil & Military design, analysis & construction, including blast analysis of nuclear hardened facilities.

• Personal 9/11 Statement:

The official explanation of the building failures defies known scientific methods of analysis and is untenable in the face of logical investigation.

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William Rice
P.E.
Lic: 018-0002991 VT
MS Civil Engineering, Cornell Univ.
Randolph Center, VT

I earned my BSCE degree from the University of Massachusetts with a major in structures and later an MS degree in civil engineering from Cornell University. After graduation from UMass, I was employed in the field by two of the nation’s largest building construction companies, first the Austin Company (a design/build firm) and later the George A. Fuller Construction Company. The construction of one of the Austin Company building projects was the basis of my master's thesis. I also taught building design and construction related courses to civil engineering and architectural students at Vermont Technical College for twenty years.

• Personal 9/11 Statement:

In 2006 I became aware of the unprecedented collapse of WTC Building 7 and the Twin Towers at free-fall speed. Professor Steven Jones' video lecture was a stunning revelation and a wake-up call. My experience and further research confirmed the uncomfortable facts as presented by Professor Jones.

I also found it disturbing that most politicians seem to have little interest in exploring any theory other than the official jetliners / fires-caused-the-collapses theory. I was told the following in a response letter from one of our representatives in Washington: "Regarding conspiracy theories surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center, a number of theories questioning the events that occurred on and before September 11, 2001 have circulated. They are patently false. Several videos have been posted on the internet on this subject, and they too are false."... "The 9/11 Commission, a bipartisan group of nationally respected individuals, evaluated all relevant testimony and documents related to the events and provided a detailed account of what actually happened on that fateful morning." However, this "nationally respected" 9/11 Commission failed to include some very important facts and testimonies in their report even though they had to have been aware of them. For example, the 9/11 Commission Report completely omitted the unprecedented collapse of Building 7.

Many of the facts and theories that engineers have learned in such courses as structures, physics, chemistry, metallurgy, etc., have held true for longer than the hundred-year history of structural-steel-framed high-rise buildings and they held true on 9/11/01. Only controlled demolition could have provided the types of building collapses displayed three times on that fateful day.

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Scott C. Grainger
PE, Forensic Fire Protection Engineer
Lic: 30031 AZ
BS Civil Engineering
Mesa, AZ

• Bio:

Owner of Grainger Consulting, Inc. A fire protection engineering firm (23 years). Approximately 50% of my work is forensic. I am licensed in 9 States. In addition to my forensic work, a good portion of my work is in the design of structural fireproofing systems.

• Personal 9/11 Statement:

All three collapses were very uniform in nature. Natural collapses due to unplanned events are not uniform.

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Claude Robert Briscoe
P.E.
Lic: Civil Engineer C17546 -- California
BS Engineering, UCLA
Santa Rosa, CA

• Bio:

45+ years in civil and structural engineering design and construction with project work in bridges, buildings, foundations, earth retaining structures, roads, highways, and various commercial, industrial and public works facilities.

• Personal 9/11 Statement:

The collapse of the three WTC buildings would seem to defy the laws of mechanics, conservation of energy and known structural failure behavior. The case for the destruction of the three WTC buildings by means of "controlled demolition" is overwhelming.

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Nelson L. Johnson
Architect & Civil Engineer
Lic: Calif. Architect's License #C9585; Calif. Civil En
M. Arch. Columbia
San Francisco, CA

• Bio:

CA Licenses: Architect C9585, Civil Engineer C30541
I was a summer intern at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey in 1972 when the North tower of the WTC was being completed. I graduated from Columbia in 1974 and went on to practice architecture and civil engineering for 8 years. I am now a computer specialist in integration, CAD and software engineering.

• Personal 9/11 Statement:

By 9/12 I was convinced that there was something "fishy" about the "collapse" of the WTC. I learned about progressive collapse from my engineering professors at Columbia, and I found it hard to imagine that the twin towers could have failed in that way. They were specifically designed to resist impact and load applied by the collision of a Boeing 707 jet. The buildings appeared to have been destroyed by an engineered demolition. When I articulated my suspicions, however, I was met with derision. I have continued, however, in my conviction that the buildings were intentionally destroyed.

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Kerry Lewis McCarthy
Architect
Lic: 2496
B. Arch, U of Oregon
Grand Ronde, OR

• Bio:

Graduated in 1976, been working in architectural and engineering offices since. Much of the work I have been involved with dealt with high-rise steel frame structures. Also, have done some engineering work, including building-forensic, some steel frame but mostly concrete. Was employed at Einhorn Yaffee Prescott for a while in Albany, NY and got to see the WTC first hand. Studied WTC's design, structure and construction at university. It was always a fascinating building complex to me.

• Personal 9/11 Statement:

Very hard to understand the 'complete' lack of concrete rubble in the debris field. Even had the basements filled with concrete topping slab debis. There should have been a stack of jumbled building elements about 9 more stories above grade. The core columns were fully welded yet none were longer than 40 ft (max trucking length). This event as portrayed by the NIST Report totally messes with my understanding of how buildings behave. I haven't been able to reconcile the promoted theory of collapse with the way I know buildings to behave.

The list goes on but you still don't think a new investigation is in order...

you never will, you, Bill and the professor have staked your reputations on it.

As time goes on, more and more professionals and people in general will come to realise. Eventually the pressure will be too overwhealming. It already is in a sence but that sad thing is that the pride of americans will deter them from believing the truth as the implications are far, far too much for most to handle.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Really? I don't recall him ever making that claim.
Proof please.

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>Solar makes sense in all places.

Solar _works_ in all places (with perhaps the exception of Antarctica in the summer.) But its economic value is proportional to how many hours of sun you get. In Arizona, Nevada, Socal etc you can see six equivalent hours of direct sun a year; in Seattle it's closer to three. So it's basically twice as expensive to generate a kilowatt-hour over the course of a year.

That doesn't mean that it will never make sense in Seattle, but with limited amounts of money and time, it would seem to make sense to start in the Southwest.

Admitadly it was a mistake on his behalf and he was referring to the northern summer.

The thread was about globalisation, he is a moderator and this is an international website.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Do you think that Bill and kallend have more experience than these guys;

Experience? I don't know since I don't know the full extent of any of their work...on either side.
Knowledge and skill....without a doubt.
As has been pointed out many, many times, the truthers have scrounged around to gather 1000 signatures from supposed experts. Many, if not most, are quacks who still believe in perpetual motion machines and free energy.
I think I'll design a car to run off of Gibb's free energy. And I'll put a little scoop on it to pick up all that surface energy laying around on the ...well...surface. Then, if I sell just one for every truther out there (should be easy since they believe anything but reason) I can retire to a private island down south.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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I think I'll design a car to run off of Gibb's free energy. And I'll put a little scoop on it to pick up all that surface energy laying around on the ...well...surface. Then, if I sell just one for every truther out there (should be easy since they believe anything but reason) I can retire to a private island down south.

Like that would work. Now, if you designed it to run on Brown's gas, then you'd be onto something.

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I think I'll design a car to run off of Gibb's free energy. And I'll put a little scoop on it to pick up all that surface energy laying around on the ...well...surface. Then, if I sell just one for every truther out there (should be easy since they believe anything but reason) I can retire to a private island down south.

Like that would work. Now, if you designed it to run on Brown's gas, then you'd be onto something.

Yeah, you're right. The truthers wouldn't be able to tell surface energy from common slug slime if they held it in their hand.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[billvon 3,111]

>Eventually the pressure will be too overwhealming.

Right. Just like we came to realize the truth of the Kennedy assassination conspiracy, the moon landing hoax and Obama's secret Kenyan birth certificate. I recall the "experts" publishing all sorts of things on those "truths" as well.

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Do you think that Bill and kallend have more experience than these guys;

Very impressive. Now what would happen if we published the resumes of a handful of the most qualified engineers who aren't truthers? Even more impressive.

Arguments from authority are absolute bullshit.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Experience? I don't know since I don't know the full extent of any of their work...on either side.
Knowledge and skill....without a doubt.

You can pull your nose out of thier asses now! You claim all 1000 signatories are quacks when you quite obviously are basing you opinion in bias and assumption, your reasoning is typical of one in denial, try to push the subject in another direction without substanciating your claims. How about you bring some of your science to to subject and legitimate yourself, rather than simply calling people names, silly names.

Many of these people you are claiming to be quacks have much more expeience, qualifications, and understanding than you will ever have. Your total lack of respect for those you have no idea about is typical of what is hated about a very large number of Americans (I don't wan't to say all americans but would be safe to say America in general).

As much as was; Bill's simple mistake about antarctica in summertime.

I know you are all aware of your corruption though, you have all just seemed to learn to live with it?

Nice one! [bigfatthumbsup!]

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Right. Just like we came to realize the truth of the Kennedy assassination conspiracy, the moon landing hoax and Obama's secret Kenyan birth certificate. I recall the "experts" publishing all sorts of things on those "truths" as well.

And your so called NIST experts are so coherent and concise in thier explanations?

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Um er, (cue card, and small panic about your ability to continue the lies and hide his 'Drylabbing'!) the gravitational, um ahh, forces on the, um ahh, applies to the structure, applies to all bodies, every bodies, on a, on ah, this particular, in this planet, not just ah, not just in ground zero, um, the uh, (promp card) anlysis shows the would be a difference in time of a freefall time....

...(get a sidekick to bail you out of your foot in your mouth)...

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...I think it is something we need to clarify and correct in the final version of the report...!!!

Yeah, yeah, Nah! David Chandler, and Stephen Jones (fucking quacks) had nothing to do with the ammendemnt to the NIST final, namely; The 'last minute' freefall data implemented into thier years long when it was denied before?

BY you lot! In these forums!!! multipule times!! I have to go to bed but I could quote many of you denying freefall acelleration, but I'm sure you can all remeber quite clearly!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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>And your so called NIST experts are so coherent and concise in
>thier explanations?

I don't have any NIST experts (so-called or otherwise.) I've just read their work. It is fairly coherent and detailed.

I compare that to the truthers, whose story seems to change with the week. It's a missile! No, it's a missile with a hologram emitter! Saw that on Star Trek once. No, it's a military aircraft disguised to look like a 767! No, it's a 767 with a mysterious pod under it!

9/11 was pulled off by the US military, who took over a 767, hid the passengers, then flew it into the building. No, terrorists flew it into the building, but explosives brought down the building. No, it was thermite. Actually, it was nano-thermite. No, it was thermate. Yeah, that's the ticket.

Which is more coherent and credible?

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You know, Bill, the more I hear from the truthers the more bin Laden's explanation makes more sense than theirs. "Allah brought down the towers of the American devils!"

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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You know, Bill, the more I hear from the truthers the more bin Laden's explanation makes more sense than theirs. "Allah brought down the towers of the American devils!"

The super secret smoke camo helicopters flew in thru all the smoke and landed the demolition teams. After they were done the escaped unseen again thru the smoke.

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don't have any NIST experts (so-called or otherwise.) I've just read their work. It is fairly coherent and detailed.

I compare that to the truthers, whose story seems to change with the week. It's a missile! No, it's a missile with a hologram emitter! Saw that on Star Trek once. No, it's a military aircraft disguised to look like a 767! No, it's a 767 with a mysterious pod under it!....

Look Bill, you are using (along with your brown nosing mates) non scientific finger pointing techniques.

AE911truth do not speculate anything, they hold no theories other than what is commonly used and known in science, if all you can do is try to compare them to completely different people with completely different theories then you obvioulsly cannot refute what it is that they are saying.

This type of thinking is consistent with most of you deniers, and is weak at best, take that type of thinking to a face to face (real) debate and you will be laughed out of the room!

You obviously watch too much rupert murdoch 'entertainment', and have started using their pathetic techniques.

What ever happened to science and Occams razor?

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

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Gee, since I have an engineering degree, and I've worked as a software engineer for the last 15 years, I should be able to sign that petition myself! I'm convinced it would sway public opinion, since my electrical engineering degree and vast work experience with web applications obviously makes me an expert on explosives and the structural integrity of buildings.

Now, if you turn on your gas stove burner, and stare into it for a long time, you will see that there are flashes of orange light in the flame. It's not just red and blue, like a regular fire or gas fire should be. This is proof that there is nuclear fission going on in your stove. I think we should have Congress investigate this! I would make a video of it, with fast and slow rewinds, but my own burners, unfortunately, are electric.

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It's not just red and blue, like a regular fire or gas fire should be. This is proof that there is nuclear fission going on in your stove. I think we should have Congress investigate this! I would make a video of it, with fast and slow rewinds, but my own burners, unfortunately, are electric.

Dude, you're not fooling us - we know that blue flame is actually Cherenkov radiation!!!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 3,111]

>Look Bill, you are using (along with your brown nosing mates) non
>scientific finger pointing techniques.

I'm actually doing neither one. I'm not pointing fingers or doing any scientific analysis. I'm making fun of the truthers who have changed their stories a good dozen times. I especially enjoyed the hologram/missile.

>AE911truth do not speculate anything, they hold no theories other
>than what is commonly used and known in science

You are apparently unaware of their position, then. From their website:

"As the vast amount of information sinks in, the real truth of what really happened on September 11, 2001 becomes increasingly clear. And we find that what really happened bears little resemblance to the official Government fire-related "collapse" conspiracy theory story that we have been led to believe."

>take that type of thinking to a face to face (real) debate and you will
>be laughed out of the room!

One of us would certainly be laughed out of the room. It would be fun.

>What ever happened to science and Occams razor?

Uh, dude, Occam's Razor states that if there are two explanations of an event, and one is simpler, the simpler one wins.

One explanation is that terrorists hijacked airliners and flew them into the buildings; the resulting fires then caused their collapse.

Another explanation changes daily. It involves simultaneous hijackings by government agents and/or terrorists funded by the government/governmental allies, a plan to target the buildings with airplanes/missiles/holograms and a simultaneous plot to take them down by blowing them up with missiles/explosives/thermite/thermate/nanothermite/advanced secret explosives. It requires a massive conspiracy that has never leaked, a conspiracy involving at least hundreds of people to procure explosives/thermite, wire them secretly into a public building, then stand by and detonate/ignite them, inexplicably, hours after the attack. It requires secret organizations, military aircraft, mass brainwashing/deception, covert communication, undetectable coordination, shadowy government officials, missing (but alive) passengers, complex evidence-planting expeditions and NASA-like mission planning - none of which has ever been uncovered.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

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Look Bill, you are using (along with your brown nosing mates) non scientific finger pointing techniques.
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This type of thinking is consistent with most of you deniers, and is weak at best, take that type of thinking to a face to face (real) debate and you will be laughed out of the room!

You obviously watch too much rupert murdoch 'entertainment', and have started using their pathetic techniques.

I'm amazed that you have the nerve to call out others for PAs. (hint - you play that game very badly. Better look more closely at Kallend's posts)

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AE911truth do not speculate anything, they hold no theories other than what is commonly used and known in science....

That has got to be the funniest thing I have read anywhere in a very, very long time.
Thanks for posting. You just made my day.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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It requires a massive conspiracy that has never leaked, a conspiracy involving at least hundreds of people to procure explosives/thermite, wire them secretly into a public building, then stand by and detonate/ignite them, inexplicably, hours after the attack.

The same people who can't slip a golf trip past the taxpayer or keep a "little something on the side" hidden from their wife..

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AE911truth do not speculate anything, they hold no theories other than what is commonly used and known in science, if all you can do is try to compare them to completely different people with completely different theories then you obvioulsly cannot refute what it is that they are saying.

Rhys,

What objections to the NIST's conclusions do the "truthers" have that have not already been addressed? I'm not asking for a link to a conspiracy Web site; I'm asking for specific objections to the data analysis of NIST. Personally, I've yet to hear about any objections that have not already been adequately addressed.

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I'm actually doing neither one. I'm not pointing fingers or doing any scientific analysis. I'm making fun of the truthers who have changed their stories a good dozen times. I especially enjoyed the hologram/missile.

What does that have to do with AE911truth?

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"As the vast amount of information sinks in, the real truth of what really happened on September 11, 2001 becomes increasingly clear. And we find that what really happened bears little resemblance to the official Government fire-related "collapse" conspiracy theory story that we have been led to believe."

So everything about the 9/11 response was hunky dory as far as you are concerned, and there is nothing about the way it was handled concerns you what so ever?

You have not been lied to and your liberties taken away?

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Another explanation changes daily. It involves simultaneous hijackings by government agents and/or terrorists funded by the government/governmental allies, a plan to target the buildings with airplanes/missiles/holograms and a simultaneous plot to take them down by blowing them up with missiles/explosives/thermite/thermate/nanothermite/advanced secret explosives. It requires a massive conspiracy that has never leaked, a conspiracy involving at least hundreds of people to procure explosives/thermite, wire them secretly into a public building, then stand by and detonate/ignite them, inexplicably, hours after the attack. It requires secret organizations, military aircraft, mass brainwashing/deception, covert communication, undetectable coordination, shadowy government officials, missing (but alive) passengers, complex evidence-planting expeditions and NASA-like mission planning - none of which has ever been uncovered.

Bullshit, AE911truth does not speculate the reason, yet is aware of a cover up. That is it!

Their thoeory is no more complex than the mare fact that resistance of the building 7 simply wasn't there at all! the fell much too fast. faster than what is usually possible so therfore NIST's assertions are incorrect.

That is it! the rest is all just evidence!

NIST's hypothesis is massive, there is nothing consise about it at all. And its content is not consistent with what was witnessed by billions of people!

3 seconds is not 5 seconds no matter how long of a story you try to spin!

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix

[billvon 3,111]

>Bullshit, AE911truth does not speculate the reason . . .

Then I guess they are lying on their own website, and they really don't have any idea what the "increasingly clear" "real truth" is.

>Their thoeory is no more complex than the mare fact that resistance of
>the building 7 simply wasn't there at all! the fell much too fast. faster
>than what is usually possible so therfore NIST's assertions are incorrect.

The "buildings can't collapse at near-freefall speeds" theory has been thoroughly debunked. If that's all they have, then they've got nothing.

>3 seconds is not 5 seconds no matter how long of a story you try to spin!

No one has claimed it is.

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Their thoeory is no more complex than the mare fact that resistance of the building 7 simply wasn't there at all! the fell much too fast. faster than what is usually possible so therfore NIST's assertions are incorrect.

-A mare is a female horse. A filly is a young female horse.
-A mare is pregnant ("in foal") for 11 months.
-Most mares give birth in the spring.
-Mares usually give birth to a single foal, but twins are not uncommon.
-Mares produce milk for their young and will nurse them for several months.

Those are some mare facts. Maybe you could tell us what female equines have to do with 911?

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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So everything about the 9/11 response was hunky dory as far as you are concerned, and there is nothing about the way it was handled concerns you what so ever?

The response on the day? I'd find it difficult to criticize anyone working under immense pressure in such an unusual and unexpected situation.

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You have not been lied to and your liberties taken away?

Since 9/11? Yes, absolutely. But what does that have to do with your crackpot theories about controlled demolition?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I think we need Dr K to come around and do some lamenting the redefinitions of English as used in NZ..