JohnRich 4 #1 January 12, 2010 News:TV Star Warned Over Waving Knife At Intruders Celebrity mum Myleene Klass is "aghast" after being warned by police for waving a knife at teenagers who entered her garden. The TV star and Marks & Spencer model was in her kitchen, with her daughter upstairs, when she spotted people peering into her window just after midnight on Friday. She grabbed a knife and banged the windows before they ran away. Hertfordshire Police officers warned Klass she should not have used a knife to scare off the teens because carrying an "offensive weapon" - even in her own home - was illegal...Source: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/Myleene-Klass-Knife-Warning-Marks-And-Spencer-Model-Warned-Over-Waving-Kitchen-Knife-At-Teenagers/Article/201001215518164?lpos=Showbiz_News_Carousel_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15518164_Myleene_Klass_Knife_Wa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 January 12, 2010 Wow. What about shaking a finger - are they still allowed to do that?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #3 January 12, 2010 does anyone, even the hard core gun banners, think this is right??-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 January 12, 2010 Quote does anyone, even the hard core gun banners, think this is right?? of course the hard core gun banners think this is correct. What she should have done was kept the vasoline close enough to use before grabbing her ankles instead of the knife (which will soon be banned too) "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #5 January 12, 2010 1) this is 'news' because it's bullshit advice contrary to the law. 2) the police denigh saying anything of the sort. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #6 January 12, 2010 Quote the police denigh saying anything of the sort. The typical response from any authority when accused... Deny, deny, deny. Not the first time its been seen and won't be the last."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #7 January 12, 2010 yeah... it's just that if that advice was actually the law they'd just say "yeah, we said that, so what?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #8 January 12, 2010 Quote1) this is 'news' because it's bullshit advice contrary to the law. 2) the police denigh saying anything of the sort. Ok, near the bottom of the story they mention a guy who was jailed for using a cricket bat on intruders who had tied up his family. Is that true?"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #9 January 13, 2010 Quote Hertfordshire Police officers warned Klass she should not have used a knife to scare off the teens I wonder how Hertfordshire Police officers learned about that incident? They monitor her house 24x7? The whole story sounds like a hoax.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 January 13, 2010 QuoteQuote Hertfordshire Police officers warned Klass she should not have used a knife to scare off the teens I wonder how Hertfordshire Police officers learned about that incident? They monitor her house 24x7? The whole story sounds like a hoax. Most likely, she called the police to report the intrusion.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #11 January 13, 2010 QuoteMost likely, she called the police to report the intrusion. After the "intruders" (rather peeping Toms) left?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #12 January 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteMost likely, she called the police to report the intrusion. After the "intruders" (rather peeping Toms) left? Why not?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #13 January 13, 2010 QuoteWhy not? What for? And share the details of what she did? C'mon.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 January 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteWhy not? What for? And share the details of what she did? C'mon. Odd - isn't that EXACTLY what you demanded the bus stop poster do?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #15 January 13, 2010 QuoteOdd - isn't that EXACTLY what you demanded the bus stop poster do? Not even close.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 January 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteOdd - isn't that EXACTLY what you demanded the bus stop poster do? Not even close. Link QuoteI also wonder if you turned him in to the police, or just let him go and rob others? Link QuoteBut since you didn't turn a criminal to the police (very "nice" of you, I have to admit, and makes the whole story much less believable), You were saying?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #17 January 13, 2010 QuoteYou were saying? You do see the difference between turning a criminal to police (and thus preventing further crime), and calling the police after the criminals already left (so no further crime is prevented)?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian84 0 #18 January 13, 2010 QuoteQuote1) this is 'news' because it's bullshit advice contrary to the law. 2) the police denigh saying anything of the sort. Ok, near the bottom of the story they mention a guy who was jailed for using a cricket bat on intruders who had tied up his family. Is that true? The cricket bat thing was quite recent. The father of the family managed to escape and the intruders ran for it. The father followed them down the street and beat one of them over the head with the bat causing brain damage. It was found that his actions went beyond self defense since they were quite obviously fleeing and were no longer in the house. That said, I can't say I have much sympathy for the brain damaged perp. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #19 January 13, 2010 Oh for Gods sake Haven't you lot realised that in the English nanny state criminals have rights. Whilst the general public have no rights at all. Seems that the urban fox has more rights than the law abiding general public Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #20 January 13, 2010 It's an interesting case too and has raised the spectre again of what level of defense you have. The guy who was beaten was tracked down and giving a serious beating but he had tied up the family. I think the guy in prisoned took the law into his own hands by delivering the type of beating he did but I wholeheartedly agree with the right to defned yourself inside your own home. CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ian84 0 #21 January 13, 2010 QuoteIt's an interesting case too and has raised the spectre again of what level of defense you have. The guy who was beaten was tracked down and giving a serious beating but he had tied up the family. I think the guy in prisoned took the law into his own hands by delivering the type of beating he did but I wholeheartedly agree with the right to defned yourself inside your own home. I'd support a legal presumption of intent to harm on behalf intruders in the home. A person shouldn't have to wait for an intruder to make the first move in order to justify using force, particularly where that person has a family in the house. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #22 January 13, 2010 Busted: Odd - isn't that EXACTLY what you demanded the bus stop poster do? QuoteNot even close. Link Quote I also wonder if you turned him in to the police, or just let him go and rob others? Link QuoteBut since you didn't turn a criminal to the police (very "nice" of you, I have to admit, and makes the whole story much less believable), You were saying?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 January 13, 2010 QuoteThe father followed them down the street and beat one of them over the head with the bat causing brain damage. It was found that his actions went beyond self defense since they were quite obviously fleeing and were no longer in the house. I don't see how this is "beyond self defense". One would definitely fear for the safety of their family knowing these guys got away. So what if they are fleeing now........ My issue is that they did it once, and very likely would return at a later time to attack the family again when the father wasn't as prepared. This is completely about the confidence in law enforcement to either catch the guys before they come back, or law enforcement's ability to protect the family in the meantime. Both items I would have serious concern about them being willing to do, let alone able to do. Especially when criminal's rights seem to trump victim's rights lately. Without that confidence, then fear of the criminals returning is legitimate - thus pursuing them now (one's only opportunity) is a very logical conclusion justifiable in protecting oneself and one's family. So the real question is ---- how do we separate this line of logic from mere vigilante attitudes that would manifest themselves in the same actions....... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #24 January 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteIt's an interesting case too and has raised the spectre again of what level of defense you have. The guy who was beaten was tracked down and giving a serious beating but he had tied up the family. I think the guy in prisoned took the law into his own hands by delivering the type of beating he did but I wholeheartedly agree with the right to defned yourself inside your own home. I'd support a legal presumption of intent to harm on behalf intruders in the home. A person shouldn't have to wait for an intruder to make the first move in order to justify using force, particularly where that person has a family in the house. As a matter of public policy, I might support that, too. Indeed, in some U.S. jurisdictions a burglary of an occupied residence is classified as a more serious crime than a burglary of an unoccupied premises. But in this case, the intruder had already left the house and was fleeing. So here, the real issue is whether a civilian may use deadly force to prevent such a suspect from fleeing even if (hypothetically) the suspect is unarmed. And that's a thornier issue. Some US jurisdictions, for example, the State of Texas, have answered that question "Yes". Other US states do not allow deadly force if an unarmed suspect has left the premises, merely to prevent the suspect's escape. I'll leave it to the UK lawyers to discuss which approach UK law takes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #25 January 13, 2010 So how many of the "no" votes are real and not just trollery? What if I "flourish" my knife while cutting vegetables and it accidently scares a peeping tom? Is that ok? Am I allowed to butter bread inside my home? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
