rushmc 23 #1 January 11, 2010 This has got to be it right? The UN climate scientists are some of the most oft quoted "scientists" on this site so all you proponents now have officially changed your minds.............correct? http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/11/years-global-cooling-coming-say-leading-scientists/ QuoteFrom Miami to Maine, Savannah to Seattle, America is caught in an icy grip that one of the U.N.'s top global warming proponents says could mark the beginning of a mini ice age. December temperatures compared to average December temps recorded between 2000 and 2008. Blue points to colder than average land surface temperatures, while red indicates warmer temperatures. From Miami to Maine, Savannah to Seattle, America is caught in an icy grip that one of the U.N.'s top global warming proponents says could mark the beginning of a mini ice age. Oranges are freezing and millions of tropical fish are dying in Florida, and it could be just the beginning of a decades-long deep freeze, says Professor Mojib Latif, one of the world's leading climate modelers. Latif thinks the cold snap Americans have been suffering through is only the beginning. He says we're in for 30 years of cooler temperatures -- a mini ice age, he calls it, basing his theory on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the world's oceans. Latif, a professor at the Leibniz Institute at Germany's Kiel University and an author of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, believes the lengthy cold weather is merely a pause -- a 30-years-long blip -- in the larger cycle of global warming, which postulates that temperatures will rise rapidly over the coming years. At a U.N. conference in September, Latif said that changes in ocean currents known as the North Atlantic Oscillation could dominate over manmade global warming for the next few decades. Latif said the fluctuations in these currents could also be responsible for much of the rise in global temperatures seen over the past 30 years. Latif is a key member of the UN's climate research arm, which has long promoted the concept of global warming. He told the Daily Mail that "a significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th Century was due to these cycles -- perhaps as much as 50 percent." According to the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center in Colorado, the warming of the Earth since 1900 is due to natural oceanic cycles, and not man-made greenhouse gases. The agency also reports that Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007. Many parts of the world have been suffering through record-setting snowfalls and arctic temperatures. The Midwest saw wind chills as low as 49 degrees below zero last week, while Europe saw snows so heavy that Eurostar train service and air travel were canceled across much of the continent. In Asia, Beijing was hit by its heaviest snowfall in 60 years. Oh, and here is a google search for the same topic. http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=images&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=30%20Years%20of%20Global%20Cooling%20Are%20Coming%2C%20Leading%20Scientist%20Says&sa=N&tab=wn"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2 January 11, 2010 And now this??? (I know 1 month or year does not a trend make) QuoteThe average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade. 2.88 inches of precipitation fell in December. This was 0.65 inches more than the 1901-2000 average, the 11th wettest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.02 inches per decade. http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 January 11, 2010 Not cooling! It's a "pause" in the "predicted" warming. At present it's the most accurate that we can be. Not "cooling" or "warming." More of a "pause." I discussed this a while back in the "Handbook for AGW Skeptics" thread. This "pause" is nothing new. The other problem is that predictions of cooling or pause are likely to be just as trustworthy as predictions for warming - that is, they do not have a demonstrated history of accuracy (and cannot have this history for another 70-80 years). In a sense, climate science seems to me to be reverting somewhat. Weather is predicted by looking at the recent past and present readings and predicting the near future. "I'm looking out the window and it's sunny and 65. The barometer is dropping. The anemometer shows increasing wind from the southwest. The thermometer is trending down over the last couple of hours. And I see some high clouds in the distance." Climatologists are saying, "We're in the middle of something right now. We don't know why, but temperatures are not increasing. This is something that may continue another 10-30 years. We don't know." To me, it's healthy. It does not disprove AGW and greenhouse effect. It does, however, provide an indication that there is more at work that we have accounted for. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 January 11, 2010 QuoteNot cooling! It's a "pause" in the "predicted" warming. At present it's the most accurate that we can be. Not "cooling" or "warming." More of a "pause." I discussed this a while back in the "Handbook for AGW Skeptics" thread. This "pause" is nothing new. The other problem is that predictions of cooling or pause are likely to be just as trustworthy as predictions for warming - that is, they do not have a demonstrated history of accuracy (and cannot have this history for another 70-80 years). In a sense, climate science seems to me to be reverting somewhat. Weather is predicted by looking at the recent past and present readings and predicting the near future. "I'm looking out the window and it's sunny and 65. The barometer is dropping. The anemometer shows increasing wind from the southwest. The thermometer is trending down over the last couple of hours. And I see some high clouds in the distance." Climatologists are saying, "We're in the middle of something right now. We don't know why, but temperatures are not increasing. This is something that may continue another 10-30 years. We don't know." To me, it's healthy. It does not disprove AGW and greenhouse effect. It does, however, provide an indication that there is more at work that we have accounted for. Exactly"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #5 January 11, 2010 Being totally cool is not the same as global cooling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 January 11, 2010 QuoteBeing totally cool is not the same as global cooling. Well, I doubt you know about either"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #7 January 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteBeing totally cool is not the same as global cooling. Well, I doubt you know about either Ooh. Un-cool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 January 11, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Being totally cool is not the same as global cooling. Well, I doubt you know about either Ooh. Un-cool. See!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #9 January 12, 2010 QuoteAnd now this??? (I know 1 month or year does not a trend make) QuoteThe average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade. 2.88 inches of precipitation fell in December. This was 0.65 inches more than the 1901-2000 average, the 11th wettest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.02 inches per decade. http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html Apparently it escaped your attention that America is NOT the entire world. "Global" does not mean "USA".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #10 January 12, 2010 Quote Quote And now this??? (I know 1 month or year does not a trend make) Quote The average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade. 2.88 inches of precipitation fell in December. This was 0.65 inches more than the 1901-2000 average, the 11th wettest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.02 inches per decade. http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html Apparently it escaped your attention that America is NOT the entire world. "Global" does not mean "USA". Well gggggoooooooooooollllllly pefesser Thanks fer pointing that one out.You point this out like your chicago winter is normal post earlier???? Thanks for the fun"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #11 January 12, 2010 Quote Quote Quote And now this??? (I know 1 month or year does not a trend make) Quote The average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade. 2.88 inches of precipitation fell in December. This was 0.65 inches more than the 1901-2000 average, the 11th wettest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.02 inches per decade. http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html Apparently it escaped your attention that America is NOT the entire world. "Global" does not mean "USA". Well gggggoooooooooooollllllly pefesser Thanks fer pointing that one out.You point this out like your chicago winter is normal post earlier???? Thanks for the fun YOU wrote "Global" in the thread title - go look in your magic mirror. You'll see yourself and Fox.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #12 January 12, 2010 QuoteQuoteAnd now this??? (I know 1 month or year does not a trend make) QuoteThe average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade. 2.88 inches of precipitation fell in December. This was 0.65 inches more than the 1901-2000 average, the 11th wettest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.02 inches per decade. http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html Apparently it escaped your attention that America is NOT the entire world. "Global" does not mean "USA". http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,600190,00.html http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/27527/ http://www.france24.com/en/20100106-cold-spell-europe-snow-chaos-uk-weather http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article6975867.ece http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/302335,china-cold-front-moves-south-record-low-in-beijing.html What exactly is your definition of "global?" -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 January 12, 2010 QuoteWhat exactly is your definition of "global?" You know...global like Chicago - he already said they're having a normal winter there.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #14 January 12, 2010 Fuck Global Cooling.... keep the Global Warming coming. If we enter full on Global Cooling how can I be sure to do my part to even things back out? I'm going to start stocking up on aerosol cans just to be safe. *I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #15 January 12, 2010 maybe extremes will be more prevelant, Australia for instance is really hot right now while in the north it is really cold, there is a thing called balance... What I do know is that if there is more solid particles in the atmosphere, you will get more snow in colder climates. super cooled water droplets 'need' a solid particle in order to become a solid. each snowflake has a solid particle in the centre."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 January 12, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote And now this??? (I know 1 month or year does not a trend make) Quote The average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade. 2.88 inches of precipitation fell in December. This was 0.65 inches more than the 1901-2000 average, the 11th wettest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.02 inches per decade. http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html Apparently it escaped your attention that America is NOT the entire world. "Global" does not mean "USA". Well gggggoooooooooooollllllly pefesser Thanks fer pointing that one out.You point this out like your chicago winter is normal post earlier???? Thanks for the fun YOU wrote "Global" in the thread title - go look in your magic mirror. You'll see yourself and Fox. Those mirror comments is what got you caught before in your minor transgressions And yes, global was in the subject line. Copied from the original post THEN, the other NASA article came up and I post "and now this???" You want so bad to play the gotcha game you hang yourself out there for all to see dude.Thanks again for the fun"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #17 January 12, 2010 Quote What I do know is that if there is more solid particles in the atmosphere, you will get more snow in colder climates. It depends on the particle. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #18 January 12, 2010 Quote Quote Quote And now this??? (I know 1 month or year does not a trend make) Quote The average temperature in December 2009 was 30.2 F. This was -3.2 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 14th coolest December in 115 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.1 degrees Fahrenheit per decade. 2.88 inches of precipitation fell in December. This was 0.65 inches more than the 1901-2000 average, the 11th wettest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.02 inches per decade. http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html Apparently it escaped your attention that America is NOT the entire world. "Global" does not mean "USA". http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,600190,00.html http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/27527/ http://www.france24.com/en/20100106-cold-spell-europe-snow-chaos-uk-weather http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article6975867.ece http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/302335,china-cold-front-moves-south-record-low-in-beijing.html What exactly is your definition of "global?" Maybe something that includes the southern hemisphere and the oceans. You know, the other 80% of the globe. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #19 January 12, 2010 Dont let him high jack this. It is what he does best"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #20 January 12, 2010 QuoteDont let him high jack this. It is what he does best Irony score 10/10. YOU posted a thread on GLOBAL cooling but then presented data on one nation only.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 January 12, 2010 Quote Quote Dont let him high jack this. It is what he does best Irony score 10/10. YOU posted a thread on GLOBAL cooling but then presented data on one nation only. and now this????? "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #22 January 12, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Dont let him high jack this. It is what he does best Irony score 10/10. YOU posted a thread on GLOBAL cooling but then presented data on one nation only. and now this????? Do you actually know what "global" means? ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 January 12, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Dont let him high jack this. It is what he does best Irony score 10/10. YOU posted a thread on GLOBAL cooling but then presented data on one nation only. and now this????? Do you actually know what "global" means? Well ggooOOOOOoooooOOOOOOOooooooly perfeser Why dont you tell me"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skiskyrock 0 #24 January 12, 2010 http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/11/climate-change-global-warming-mojib-latif evidently he didn't say what Fox thinks he said Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #25 January 12, 2010 Quote http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/11/climate-change-global-warming-mojib-latif evidently he didn't say what Fox thinks he said Unfair and unbalanced - that's Fox News.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
