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President Obama last year praised the Mayo Clinic as a "classic example" of how a health-care provider can offer "better outcomes" at lower cost. Then what should Americans think about the famous Minnesota medical center's decision to take fewer Medicare patients?

Specifically, Mayo said last week it will no longer accept Medicare patients at one of its primary care clinics in Arizona. Mayo said the decision is part of a two-year pilot program to determine if it should also drop Medicare patients at other facilities in Arizona, Florida and Minnesota, which serve more than 500,000 seniors.

Mayo says it lost $840 million last year treating Medicare patients, the result of the program's low reimbursement rates. Its hospital and four clinics in Arizona—including the Glendale facility—lost $120 million. Providers like Mayo swallow some of these Medicare losses, while also shifting the cost by charging more to private patients and insurers.

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Sad but you cant blame them for getting tired of loosing money cause of a broke system. Just think if the govt gets there way and starts running more medical. Company's (medical) will be going out of business more than they already are. Cant wait![:/]

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Sad but you cant blame them for getting tired of loosing money cause of a broke system. Just think if the govt gets there way and starts running more medical. Companies (medical) will be going out of business more than they already are.



Two things will happen

1 - for this case - The government will quickly pass a law that it is illegal for Mayo to do this.

2 - for your scenario - the government will pass a law that it is illegal for medical companies to go out of business

that should fix it

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Sad but you cant blame them for getting tired of loosing money cause of a broke system. Just think if the govt gets there way and starts running more medical. Companies (medical) will be going out of business more than they already are.



Two things will happen

1 - for this case - The government will quickly pass a law that it is illegal for Mayo to do this.

2 - for your scenario - the government will pass a law that it is illegal for medical companies to go out of business

that should fix it

:D:D:D Sounds like a great solution.[:/]:|:S
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I'm surprised nobody has jumped in here to explain why medicare is failing but more government run healthcare will succeed.

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They haven't figured out how to tie it back to those evil, greedy insurance companies yet. They're remarkably silent on Medicare claim denials being vastly higher than the insurance company's denials, too.
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Sad but you cant blame them for getting tired of loosing money cause of a broke system. Just think if the govt gets there way and starts running more medical. Companies (medical) will be going out of business more than they already are.



Two things will happen

1 - for this case - The government will quickly pass a law that it is illegal for Mayo to do this.

2 - for your scenario - the government will pass a law that it is illegal for medical companies to go out of business

that should fix it

:D:D:D Sounds like a great solution.[:/]:|:S


It's not too far from the truth. Basically, Medicare reimburses at fixed rates well below even average charges (and way way below what Mayo charges). If we are all forced into a government plan, and that plan simply decides to reimburse at half the current going rate, then it simply amounts to a government imposed pay cut for all health care professionals. Without directly (and politically incorrectly) getting to the crux of the matter (that health care is simply ridiculously expensive due to the outrageous amounts charged) they have gotten to the crux of the matter.

From what I've read, it is pretty much what Japan did.
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I'm surprised nobody has jumped in here to explain why medicare is failing but more government run healthcare will succeed.

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This was partially my thought...
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Sad but you cant blame them for getting tired of loosing money cause of a broke system. Just think if the govt gets there way and starts running more medical. Companies (medical) will be going out of business more than they already are.



Two things will happen

1 - for this case - The government will quickly pass a law that it is illegal for Mayo to do this.

2 - for your scenario - the government will pass a law that it is illegal for medical companies to go out of business

that should fix it

:D:D:D Sounds like a great solution.[:/]:|:S


It's not too far from the truth. Basically, Medicare reimburses at fixed rates well below even average charges (and way way below what Mayo charges). If we are all forced into a government plan, and that plan simply decides to reimburse at half the current going rate, then it simply amounts to a government imposed pay cut for all health care professionals. Without directly (and politically incorrectly) getting to the crux of the matter (that health care is simply ridiculously expensive due to the outrageous amounts charged) they have gotten to the crux of the matter.

From what I've read, it is pretty much what Japan did.


I think we are all in agreement.

Hospital and other health care costs are over priced (in-part) to adjust for loses on non-reimbursements from Medicare/Medicaid etc... If Medicare and Medicaid did not exist the private insurance policies would likely be much more affordable.
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I'm surprised nobody has jumped in here to explain why medicare is failing but more government run healthcare will succeed.



The facts are people trust the goverment more than they trust private insurance for their healthcare.


http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/mp_20090629_2600.php


It is beyond me why anyone would trust a company that profits from you recieving the least amount of medical care. Then again no one has ever gone broke under estimating the intelligence of the American public.

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We (Australia) used to have reasonable medical care for both public and private situations.

Now that we are on the road to pure capitalism, the premiums are going through the roof and the level of care is diminishing.

As soon as profit becomes the focus of care, the care is focused on the profit. Shareholders (as well as senior management) become more important than the customers and clients.

They even send us letters every year saying, we have improved your cover by charging you more and giving you less.

Then you say: "if you can't beat them, join them". So you devise some method of ripping people off.

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As soon as profit becomes the focus of care, the care is focused on the profit. Shareholders (as well as senior management) become more important than the customers and clients.

They even send us letters every year saying, we have improved your cover by charging you more and giving you less.



I got just such a letter from my US (private) health insurer last October.
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Medicare is also the nexus that the federal government uses to regulate health care. For example, EMTALA (mandatory treatment of any swining dick that comes into an ER) is predicated on receipt of Medicare.

Because Medicare funds greater than half of all health care, hospitals had a hard time saying no to half of the market.

Because the government's high emphasis on paying less than private insurance companies it is becoming more to the providers' benefit to simply get out of that market.

The government actually has a pretty good history of trying to provide market level services at below market prices and doing so by charging the user less but taxing everyone to cover it, thereby ensuring that it actually costs the market cost.

Or, it pays what the market cannot bear, in which case supply of the service is lessened because providers leave the market and care is rationed.

Our society cannot tolerate a system where the government is not allowed to profit, get competitors out of the market, and otherwise act in ways that would make the great monopolies pea green with envy!


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As soon as profit becomes the focus of care, the care is focused on the profit. Shareholders (as well as senior management) become more important than the customers and clients.

They even send us letters every year saying, we have improved your cover by charging you more and giving you less.



I got just such a letter from my US (private) health insurer last October.



Wow. Medicare, Medicaid and VA patients get this all the time! Difference is you cannot really petition for relief from Uncle Sam. Sure, the government will help you if the private insurance doesn't do what is promised and evem levy a nice big fine on the private insurer (that it'll keep for itself).

But it does a lousy job of finding any fault with itself. For example, let us say that ptivate insurers said, "we are not going to fund mammograms." The horror!

Yet, california did just that because of declining tobacco tax revenue and the budget issues. No big deal. The government knows what is right.


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I got just such a letter from my US (private) health insurer last October.



I just got a letter like it from the VA!!!!!

I pay for private HC because the level of care I have gotten from the VA was way below standard.

My PCP actually laughed at the treatment program the VA suggested. Called it "Useless".

I have had US Govt run HC.... Have you?
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I think we are all in agreement. Hospital and other health care costs are over priced (in-part) to adjust for loses on non-reimbursements from Medicare/Medicaid etc... If Medicare and Medicaid did not exist the private insurance policies would likely be much more affordable.



Well we are not all in agreement on that being a good solution. I agree with you that the un reimbursed and under reimbursed costs of hospitals are spread to those of us with insurance via overhead. They obviously have to be paid somehow.

But raising my taxes to permit the government to pay for hospital services not funded directly today seems much like a zero sum game. Under your theory, my insurance costs may drop, but my taxes must surely go up. Nothing about this changes the basic COST of running the hospital, it only changes who the bills go to.

Everyone keeps focusing on HOW medical services are paid for, private insurance or government. On a national level that is meaningless in the long term, as the solution must be not a change in how services are billed, but instead a reduction in the basic medical costs themselves, or a reduction in the total services received, i.e. restrictions and delays. When this bill passes, and they take a half trillion dollars out of Medicare funding, you will see more and more hospitals, then more and more doctors, follow Mayo's example of rejecting medicare.
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I have had US Govt run HC.... Have you?



The FACT is people are more satisfied with goverment provided healthcare than private.



Where did you get that FACT?

And what do you consider government provided healthcare?

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***Where did you get that FACT?


Try the link from me a few post up.

VA and medicare always have a higher level of Pt satisfaction than private healthcare.

Conservatives always rant about how the government wants to spend too much money, except when it comes to health, then all of sudden they say the government wont spend any.

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VA and medicare always have a higher level of Pt satisfaction than private healthcare.



People who don't pay for things often don't complain. And I wonder how many of those people have had any other HC?

Have YOU had Govt HC? Have YOU had private HC?

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Conservatives always rant about how the government wants to spend too much money, except when it comes to health, then all of sudden they say the government wont spend any.



That makes zero sense.
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I have had US Govt run HC.... Have you?



The FACT is people are more satisfied with goverment provided healthcare than private.



Then why are 68% of americans happy with their current priviate HC?

Got yourself a fact huh.............
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***Where did you get that FACT?


Try the link from me a few post up.

VA and medicare always have a higher level of Pt satisfaction than private healthcare.

Conservatives always rant about how the government wants to spend too much money, except when it comes to health, then all of sudden they say the government wont spend any.



Medicare is not government provided healthcare. It's an attempt to pay for healthcare (that fails).

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I think we are all in agreement. Hospital and other health care costs are over priced (in-part) to adjust for loses on non-reimbursements from Medicare/Medicaid etc... If Medicare and Medicaid did not exist the private insurance policies would likely be much more affordable.



Well we are not all in agreement on that being a good solution. I agree with you that the un reimbursed and under reimbursed costs of hospitals are spread to those of us with insurance via overhead. They obviously have to be paid somehow.

But raising my taxes to permit the government to pay for hospital services not funded directly today seems much like a zero sum game. Under your theory, my insurance costs may drop, but my taxes must surely go up. Nothing about this changes the basic COST of running the hospital, it only changes who the bills go to.

Everyone keeps focusing on HOW medical services are paid for, private insurance or government. On a national level that is meaningless in the long term, as the solution must be not a change in how services are billed, but instead a reduction in the basic medical costs themselves, or a reduction in the total services received, i.e. restrictions and delays. When this bill passes, and they take a half trillion dollars out of Medicare funding, you will see more and more hospitals, then more and more doctors, follow Mayo's example of rejecting medicare.



Just to be clear... I am against gov't run health care. The fact that the Mayo Clinic is beginning to drop Medicare is actually good IMO, in hopes that people will start to realize that there is no way a gov't run health care program will save us $$$$$$$$$.
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VA and medicare always have a higher level of Pt satisfaction than private healthcare.



Higher level of patient satisfaction with VA provided health care???:S:S You have got to be kidding.

I have seen VA health care first hand and have also talked to patients about their VA health care and they are FAR from highly satisfied. Also, see post# 16 above.
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