9 years later...

[rushmc 23]

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>No,you dont agree with me

Then you've changed your story again. Napolitano said the system worked; that the passengers and crew of the flight took appropriate action. You just said that the system of people on the plane (the passengers and crew) worked. I agree.

Want to change it yet again?

No, my story is the same. Gov system failed. One of yours (Napolitans) failed as they have now admitted to.

The people on the plane, (not part of the gov system she said worked) did not fail.

You spend so much time twisting you have problems staying focused now I see

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,121]

>The people on the plane, (not part of the gov system she said worked)
>did not fail.

She didn't say the government system worked. Her exact quote:

"And one thing I'd like to point out is that the system worked. Everybody played an important role here. The passengers and crew of the flight took appropriate action."

So you agree- the system on the plane worked; both passengers and crew played a role, and took appropriate action. (Or you're going to have to use GOP logic, where you believe the same thing but disagree on partisan grounds.)

[rushmc 23]

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>The people on the plane, (not part of the gov system she said worked)
>did not fail.

She didn't say the government system worked. Her exact quote:

"And one thing I'd like to point out is that the system worked. Everybody played an important role here. The passengers and crew of the flight took appropriate action."

So you agree- the system on the plane worked; both passengers and crew played a role, and took appropriate action. (Or you're going to have to use GOP logic, where you believe the same thing but disagree on partisan grounds.)

I will agree with that
The people on the plane worked

Her gov system failed fully befor then however

Next?

Or, are you going to say the system on the plane is something she put into place and is responcible for?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[StreetScooby 5]

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Bush and his guys were doing just fine with the money they had.

Post 9/11...

We are all engines of karma

[mnealtx 0]

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>The people on the plane, (not part of the gov system she said worked)
>did not fail.

She didn't say the government system worked. Her exact quote:

"And one thing I'd like to point out is that the system worked. Everybody played an important role here. The passengers and crew of the flight took appropriate action."

So you agree- the system on the plane worked; both passengers and crew played a role, and took appropriate action. (Or you're going to have to use GOP logic, where you believe the same thing but disagree on partisan grounds.)

I will agree with that
The people on the plane worked

Her gov system failed fully befor then however

Next?

Or, are you going to say the system on the plane is something she put into place and is responcible for?

That's what he's trying to spin, so that Napolitano's statement doesn't seem as stupid. Too bad it wasn't an Air Marshall that nabbed the guy.

Bill is like a football coach saying 'our team did a great job' when a guy from the stands ran onto the field and caught the winning touchdown pass.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rushmc 23]

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>The people on the plane, (not part of the gov system she said worked)
>did not fail.

She didn't say the government system worked. Her exact quote:

"And one thing I'd like to point out is that the system worked. Everybody played an important role here. The passengers and crew of the flight took appropriate action."

So you agree- the system on the plane worked; both passengers and crew played a role, and took appropriate action. (Or you're going to have to use GOP logic, where you believe the same thing but disagree on partisan grounds.)

I will agree with that
The people on the plane worked

Her gov system failed fully befor then however

Next?

Or, are you going to say the system on the plane is something she put into place and is responcible for?

That's what he's trying to spin, so that Napolitano's statement doesn't seem as stupid. Too bad it wasn't an Air Marshall that nabbed the guy.

Bill is like a football coach saying 'our team did a great job' when a guy from the stands ran onto the field and caught the winning touchdown pass.

Mr Twister has to keep trying though

After all, he has the media (for the most part) on his side.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mnealtx 0]

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Can we have a different name than "underwear bomber?"

EunuchBomber?

PantyBomber?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[dks13827 3]

remember the ( appropriate ) outrage re: 9/11 ?? how most of us ( who know something about WW2 ) said,, that's it !!!!!!!! that wont happen again !!! no damn way !!!!!

well, only a dumb terrorist saved the airplane on 12/25/09. and, the Ft Hood shooter was well known to be a dangerour person and a threat.

and, the Army chief now says that diversity is their most important mission these days.

I dont recognize the America that I grew up in.

[kallend 2,156]

Every time airline travel becomes more onerous, some people who would have flown will drive instead. The likelihood of being killed on the roads is far far higher than that of being killed on an airline flight.

It's been shown that roughly 1,000 MORE people died traveling by road in the 6 months after 9/11 than would have been expected in a normal year.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rehmwa 2]

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That's what he's trying to spin, so that Napolitano's statement doesn't seem as stupid. Too bad it wasn't an Air Marshall that nabbed the guy.

Bill is like a football coach saying 'our team did a great job' when a guy from the stands ran onto the field and caught the winning touchdown pass.

The "system worked" Napolitano ensured that the "Fruit of Kaboomer" was incompetent.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[freethefly 6]

According to news reports the bomb failed because the detonator may have been too small or was not in "proper contact" with the explosive material. If this is the case then the system indeed failed as he has able to at least attempt to activate the device on board the aircraft after getting past all of the safeguards. The passengers and crew only came into play after the fact that the device was faulty. Had the device been properly assembled the outcome of this event would had been extremely different.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[pirana 0]

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Once the services start sharing information and putting two and two together,

Ain't gonna happen; bureacracies that big don't even share well within, forget about sharing with another bureacracy.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[mnealtx 0]

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Once the services start sharing information and putting two and two together,

Ain't gonna happen; bureacracies that big don't even share well within, forget about sharing with another bureacracy.

Ms. Gorelick, tear down this wall!

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[Gawain 0]

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NID position is redundant,

What is "NID"?

Do you mean the DNI?

/Marg

Yep...I was incorrectly thinking of the title as Nat'l Intel Director when I wrote it.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[kallend 2,156]

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Once the services start sharing information and putting two and two together,

Ain't gonna happen; bureacracies that big don't even share well within, forget about sharing with another bureacracy.

It ain't gonna happen whether or not the bureaucracies get together. Hindsight is 20/20; the links that were missed seem obvious in hindsight. Selecting which out of hundreds of thousands of intelligence items, many of which contradict others, to link to predict what will happen in a mathematically chaotic system is a whole different game altogether.

If we could do it we would have predicted Pearl Harbor, the great depression, 9/11, the Bush recession, Saddam's invasion of Kuwait, the Yom Kippur war, The Korean war, and many other catastrophes that in hindsight look to have been 100% predictable.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.