JohnDeere 0 #51 January 8, 2010 Quote Quote Quote So Obama is, essentially, Jesse Ventura, then? Only on a national level, not state? state governors have a lower standard to meet. well, Jesse was able to deliver on the lower standards criteria Barack is still working hard to set his own low level at the national level - let's see how it goes, it's been less than 2 years yet Actually I think he still working hard to beat the national record. I think he can continue to pull it off! He's on a roll. Quote Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford and even Richard Nixon all had higher approval ratings 10-and-a-half months into their presidencies. Obama's immediate predecessor, President George W. Bush, had an approval rating of 86 percent, or 39 points higher than Obama at this stage. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/08/obamas-percent-approval-lowest-president-point/Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #52 January 8, 2010 Quote Obama's immediate predecessor, President George W. Bush, had an approval rating of 86 percent, or 39 points higher than Obama at this stage. Not really a valid comparison since Sept 11th was still pretty fresh and people were all buying into the admins BS. The closest would be this stage, if Obama makes a second term, against Bush's for your comparison to be relatively valid. Even then, I sort of think it's pretty useless to compare these kinds of ratings against any president, since each one has their own unique situations they have to deal with. Apples to Oranges. IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #53 January 8, 2010 Shine that turd up! He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever! You are correct about diff situations, but come on. Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #54 January 8, 2010 Quote Shine that turd up! He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever! You are correct about diff situations, but come on. Are you suggesting that Obama allow 3000 more Americans to die, so he can also enjoy a big bump in his approval rating? Foreign policy events, good or bad, nearly always raise the President's rating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #55 January 8, 2010 >He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever! Lowest approvals: Obama: 47% (lowest, dec 09) GWB: 25% (lowest, oct 08) Overall averages: Obama: 58% (through Dec 09) GWB: 49% (both terms) Is that an example of "GOP math?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #56 January 8, 2010 Quote Quote Shine that turd up! He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever! You are correct about diff situations, but come on. Are you suggesting that Obama allow 3000 more Americans to die, so he can also enjoy a big bump in his approval rating? Foreign policy events, good or bad, nearly always raise the President's rating. It's not beyond the realm of possibility for quite a few politicians. This one included. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #57 January 8, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Shine that turd up! He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever! You are correct about diff situations, but come on. Are you suggesting that Obama allow 3000 more Americans to die, so he can also enjoy a big bump in his approval rating? Foreign policy events, good or bad, nearly always raise the President's rating. It's not beyond the realm of possibility for quite a few politicians. This one included. "Never let a good crisis go to waste" - Rahm EmanuelMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #58 January 8, 2010 Quote"Never let a good crisis go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel Mr. Emanuel is paraphrasing, perhaps more succinctly, a concept Milton Friedman espoused: In interviews, “Now, you never have real changes unless you have a time of crisis. And when you have a time of crisis what happens depends on what ideas are floating around, and what ideas have been developed, and thought through, and are made effective. And I believe the role that people like myself have played in the transformation of public opinion has been by persistently presenting a different point of view, a point of view which stresses the importance of private markets, of individual freedom, and the distorting effect of governmental policy. That may not persuade anybody, in one sense, but it provides an alternative when the time comes that you have a crisis and people realize that you have to change.” And in his writing, “Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.” (p. ix) Suspect that Prof Friedman borrowed the idea from someone else as well. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #59 January 8, 2010 That may be, but Emanuel's statement seems more like an excuse to make changes rather than (what I interpret as) Friedman's statement of crisis as a vehicle to discuss changes.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #60 January 8, 2010 Quote Quote Shine that turd up! He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever! You are correct about diff situations, but come on. Are you suggesting that Obama allow 3000 more Americans to die, so he can also enjoy a big bump in his approval rating? Foreign policy events, good or bad, nearly always raise the President's rating. I would have never thought anyone would decode my message. Where did you you pull that from? It does smell like....Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #61 January 8, 2010 Quote >He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever! Lowest approvals: Obama: 47% (lowest, dec 09) GWB: 25% (lowest, oct 08) Overall averages: Obama: 58% (through Dec 09) GWB: 49% (both terms) Is that an example of "GOP math?" Try reading my post before that one (Im sure you did) and you would understand what i meant (you do understand, but you couldn't argue against the facts). Find something real to argue about. Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #62 January 8, 2010 QuoteThat may be, but Emanuel's statement seems more like an excuse to make changes rather than (what I interpret as) Friedman's statement of crisis as a vehicle to discuss changes. Maybe a little part of it is who said it in each case too? Just a little? /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #63 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteThat may be, but Emanuel's statement seems more like an excuse to make changes rather than (what I interpret as) Friedman's statement of crisis as a vehicle to discuss changes. Maybe a little part of it is who said it in each case too? Just a little? /Marg Perhaps - although I submit that 'go to waste' is not exactly a neutral statement.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #64 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteThat may be, but Emanuel's statement seems more like an excuse to make changes rather than (what I interpret as) Friedman's statement of crisis as a vehicle to discuss changes. Maybe a little part of it is who said it in each case too? Just a little? Perhaps - although I submit that 'go to waste' is not exactly a neutral statement. Maybe a lil' more than perhaps? Another Chicago-school economist, Paul Romer also more succinctly summarizes Friedman's idea to the succinct “a crisis is a terrible thing to waste.” Perhaps 'go to waste' is a more succinct & operational way of conveying Friedman's more academic way of saying "until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable"? Friedman is famous (in some circles) for advocating taking advantage of a military-political crisis (the overthrow of the democratically-elected government in Argentina) to force through economic changes that were very much opposed by all but an elite few. Sometimes those changes are for the better. Friedman was cognizant of history. Power holders & power holder wanna-bes throughout history have recognized the opportunities presented by a crises. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #65 January 8, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Shine that turd up! He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever! You are correct about diff situations, but come on. Are you suggesting that Obama allow 3000 more Americans to die, so he can also enjoy a big bump in his approval rating? Foreign policy events, good or bad, nearly always raise the President's rating. I would have never thought anyone would decode my message. Where did you you pull that from? It does smell like.... The same place where you couldn't figure out how Bush had such a high approval rating in late 2001. How popular do you think FDR was in late December, 1941? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #66 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat may be, but Emanuel's statement seems more like an excuse to make changes rather than (what I interpret as) Friedman's statement of crisis as a vehicle to discuss changes. Maybe a little part of it is who said it in each case too? Just a little? Perhaps - although I submit that 'go to waste' is not exactly a neutral statement. Maybe a lil' more than perhaps? And maybe not - I'm pretty certain that I know my own thoughts better than anyone else. QuoteAnother Chicago-school economist, Paul Romer also more succinctly summarizes Friedman's idea to the succinct “a crisis is a terrible thing to waste.” Well, I guess now we know where the original quote came from. QuotePerhaps 'go to waste' is a more succinct & operational way of conveying Friedman's more academic way of saying "until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable"? Friedman's quote sounds more like "Change when you HAVE to" rather than "Change you can believe in". QuoteFriedman is famous (in some circles) for advocating taking advantage of a military-political crisis (the overthrow of the democratically-elected government in Argentina) to force through economic changes that were very much opposed by all but an elite few. Sometimes those changes are for the better. Friedman was cognizant of history. Power holders & power holder wanna-bes throughout history have recognized the opportunities presented by a crises. /Marg And that's happened quite often during recent history, as we all know. In retrospect, those changes that "had to be done NOW" didn't always turn out as planned, did they?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #67 January 8, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Shine that turd up! He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever! You are correct about diff situations, but come on. Are you suggesting that Obama allow 3000 more Americans to die, so he can also enjoy a big bump in his approval rating? Foreign policy events, good or bad, nearly always raise the President's rating. I would have never thought anyone would decode my message. Where did you you pull that from? It does smell like.... The same place where you couldn't figure out how Bush had such a high approval rating in late 2001. How popular do you think FDR was in late December, 1941? Really? Is there a reason people refuse to open there eyes? I didnt compare him to just Bush. I compared his approval rating to every other potus at that point in there carer. You people go ahead and keep your eyes wide shut! Thats why we are in the mess were're in.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #68 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThat may be, but Emanuel's statement seems more like an excuse to make changes rather than (what I interpret as) Friedman's statement of crisis as a vehicle to discuss changes. Maybe a little part of it is who said it in each case too? Just a little? Perhaps - although I submit that 'go to waste' is not exactly a neutral statement. Maybe a lil' more than perhaps? And maybe not - I'm pretty certain that I know my own thoughts better than anyone else. Of course, no one of whom I am aware suggested you didn't. That doesn't mean that one can't acknowledge that occasionally a little tiny bit of one's reaction to to something might have more to do with who said it than just the content. And sometimes that's because a person is more abrasive or fails to communicate well. QuoteQuoteAnother Chicago-school economist, Paul Romer also more succinctly summarizes Friedman's idea to the succinct “a crisis is a terrible thing to waste.” Well, I guess now we know where the original quote came from. Yes, Milton Friedman, who was the 'father' of Chicago-school economics, as I had assumed you knew, yes? Altho' as I wrote previous wrote, I'm betting he borrowed the idea from someone else, something like President Reagan borrowed John Winthrop's verbiage about a 'shining city on a hill' which was adapted from Biblical line and that probably came from near Eastern tribes before that. Profound ideas tend to get repeated. QuoteAnd that's happened quite often during recent history, as we all know. In retrospect, those changes that "had to be done NOW" didn't always turn out as planned, did they? Dpeends on which ones you are referring? For example, politically the Troubled Assets Relief Program is still a popular kicking ball; most economists (whose writing sounds more like Friedman's than Emanuel or Roper) now recognize how close to global economic collapse we were, however, and the crucial role of such actions in preventing a complete collapse, e.g., from the conservative Economist "For many people on the planet, the Great Recession was not all that great. "That outcome was not inevitable. It [the avoidance of a "Global Depression"] was the result of the biggest, broadest and fastest government response in history. Teetering banks were wrapped in a multi-trillion-dollar cocoon of public cash and guarantees [i.e., the TARP in the US]. Central banks slashed interest rates; the big ones dramatically expanded their balance-sheets. Governments worldwide embraced fiscal stimulus with gusto. This extraordinary activism helped to stem panic, prop up the financial system and counter the collapse in private demand. Despite claims to the contrary, the Great Recession could have been a Depression without it." Of course, some will still argue to the contrary, which is always their right. And that really wasn't an example of change, it was prevention at the last possible moment. Legislative change to financial regulation is still to be passed. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #69 January 8, 2010 Quote Really? Is there a reason people refuse to open there eyes? I didnt compare him to just Bush. I compared his approval rating to every other potus at that point in there carer. You people go ahead and keep your eyes wide shut! Thats why we are in the mess were're in. If you won't acknowledge the primary reason for the difference between Bush and Obama at month 12, your eyes are the ones that are shut. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #70 January 8, 2010 Quote Quote Really? Is there a reason people refuse to open there eyes? I didnt compare him to just Bush. I compared his approval rating to every other potus at that point in there carer. You people go ahead and keep your eyes wide shut! Thats why we are in the mess were're in. If you won't acknowledge the primary reason for the difference between Bush and Obama at month 12, your eyes are the ones that are shut. WOW! Please for the love of God show me were I ever said that. At least act like you uderstand the conversation. Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #71 January 9, 2010 >Try reading my post before that one I did. Then you said: "Shine that turd up!Unsure He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever!" You are incorrect there. Neither average nor minimum approval ratings are "the worst." 47% is not the worst of any president at this point in the presidency either. I think you've just found yourself to be another victim of FOX News. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #72 January 9, 2010 Quote>Try reading my post before that one I did. Then you said: "Shine that turd up!Unsure He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever!" You are incorrect there. Neither average nor minimum approval ratings are "the worst." 47% is not the worst of any president at this point in the presidency either. I think you've just found yourself to be another victim of FOX News. Then please prove it wrong.......Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #73 January 9, 2010 Quote>Try reading my post before that one I did. Then you said: "Shine that turd up!Unsure He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever!" You are incorrect there. Neither average nor minimum approval ratings are "the worst." 47% is not the worst of any president at this point in the presidency either. I think you've just found yourself to be another victim of FOX News. I guess I can be another victim of USA Today - of course, at the time the poll came out, he was still at 49 - looks like 47 does, in fact, make him worst: QuoteIn comparison to the approval ratings for modern elected presidents in December of their first year in office, Obama's standing is the worst, though he's close to Ronald Reagan. In December 1981, Reagan's approval rating was also 49%, though his disapproval rating was a bit lower, 41%.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #74 January 9, 2010 Quote Quote >Try reading my post before that one I did. Then you said: "Shine that turd up!Unsure He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever!" You are incorrect there. Neither average nor minimum approval ratings are "the worst." 47% is not the worst of any president at this point in the presidency either. I think you've just found yourself to be another victim of FOX News. I guess I can be another victim of USA Today - of course, at the time the poll came out, he was still at 49 - looks like 47 does, in fact, make him worst: Quote In comparison to the approval ratings for modern elected presidents in December of their first year in office, Obama's standing is the worst, though he's close to Ronald Reagan. In December 1981, Reagan's approval rating was also 49%, though his disapproval rating was a bit lower, 41%. Nixon and Cater did better??? Ouch, that will leave a mark"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #75 January 11, 2010 QuoteQuote>Try reading my post before that one I did. Then you said: "Shine that turd up!Unsure He has the worst approval rating of any potus ever!" You are incorrect there. Neither average nor minimum approval ratings are "the worst." 47% is not the worst of any president at this point in the presidency either. I think you've just found yourself to be another victim of FOX News. Then please prove it wrong....... Bill now that the weekend is about over could you please find that data ? I would love to see it.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
