rushmc 23 #26 January 7, 2010 Quote Quote Are you denying "boy"? Not that it was particularly your intention to use it that way, but it was perhaps a bit insensitive when used in reference to the man that currently sits in the Oval office. I wasn't the one that used it - I knew you were going to immediately throw the race card (which you did) and provided the slang meaning of the phrase. There's a quote somewhere about people who look to be offended can find opportunities where none were offered. AND THEN, with all that is posted here he has the nads to post this>>>>> Quote ....... bit insensitive when used in reference to the man that currently sits in the Oval office ????? I needed this bum foot and snowed in"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #27 January 7, 2010 Okie doke . . . from this point forward I think I get to call everybody "boy." If that's ok with you . . . boy.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #28 January 7, 2010 Quote Okie doke . . . from this point forward I think I get to call everybody "boy." If that's ok with you . . . boy. Dont bother me none. .. Mr Quadeyou might get called a racists though"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 January 8, 2010 Quote you might get called a racists though "Sauce for the goose" and all that - why should we be any different than him?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #30 January 8, 2010 QuotePeople invite the criticism when they use the language carelessly. People invite disdain when they try so hard to be offended. If you're that sensitive you might need to take a big get over yourself breakYou are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #31 January 8, 2010 QuoteHe just lacked experience with such high levels of government and scrutiny to realize that he wouldn't be able to deliver on those promises. Wraps up why I didn't vote for him.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #32 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteIt's just another one of many, many promises made that he has not, and has no intention of delivering on, including provisions within the health bill itself, that will create a tax burden on families with incomes under $250K. Take your pick, he has not delivered on anything, with exception of massive spending, with nothing to show for it (yet to be seen, I'll grant that). I think your points are valid but this seems to be something not easily spun. Kind of like Bush Sr. and "read my lips". That is the problem I see with it. Most of the other stuff is too easily spun in my opinion. I think the 2010 election is going to be very interesting. I really want to see how the people vote. President GHW Bush did, in fact, have the ability to live up to that "read my lips" promise by vetoing the bill. The Congress could have then overridden him if they had the votes. It's not the same, at all, and it was never as widespread as the bull-sh*t that's been flowing these past 12 months.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 January 8, 2010 QuoteAre you denying "boy"? Not that it was particularly your intention to use it that way, but it was perhaps a bit insensitive when used in reference to the man that currently sits in the Oval office. methinks the BOY dost protest too much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #34 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteI honestly think Obama intended to deliver on most of his promises. He just lacked experience with such high levels of government and scrutiny to realize that he wouldn't be able to deliver on those promises. he's learning now, the hard way. So he is, essentially, Jesse Ventura, then? Only on a national level, not state? state governors have a lower standard to meet. Obama can still grow into it, much as Clinton did. Or not. If not, he won't win reelection and the Democrats will have to think seriously about allowing open nominations in 2012. Next November will be the first checkpoint. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #35 January 8, 2010 Quote Dont bother me none. .. Mr QuadeSmile you might get called a racists thoughShocked silly boy, libs are never called racists. Even if they have been klansmen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #36 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteI honestly think Obama intended to deliver on most of his promises. He just lacked experience with such high levels of government and scrutiny to realize that he wouldn't be able to deliver on those promises. he's learning now, the hard way. So he is, essentially, Jesse Ventura, then? Only on a national level, not state? state governors have a lower standard to meet. Obama can still grow into it, much as Clinton did. Or not. If not, he won't win reelection and the Democrats will have to think seriously about allowing open nominations in 2012. Next November will be the first checkpoint. Please, President Clinton had heaps more experience compared to President Obama. Even as Governor of Arkansas. In fact, heading up a state, in charge of a police force, national guard, budgets, trade with other states, and indeed nations, attracting business are all things governors contend with on a scale that make Senators look like extra baggage. President Clinton chose some of the same battles, but not all at once, and he didn't whine and bitch about crap either.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #37 January 8, 2010 QuoteAre you denying "boy"? Not that it was particularly your intention to use it that way, but it was perhaps a bit insensitive when used in reference to the man that currently sits in the Oval office. This is where political correctness runs off the rails. Don't be intentionally offensive. Good plan. But using a term that in one use (the intended one as you allow was possible) is far from racist, and is in another use racist, and now the term in both uses becomes taboo. put away your PC dictionary. We don't need extra drama here.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #38 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuote state governors have a lower standard to meet. Obama can still grow into it, much as Clinton did. Or not. If not, he won't win reelection and the Democrats will have to think seriously about allowing open nominations in 2012. Next November will be the first checkpoint. Please, President Clinton had heaps more experience compared to President Obama. Even as Governor of Arkansas. In fact, heading up a state, in charge of a police force, national guard, budgets, trade with other states, and indeed nations, attracting business are all things governors contend with on a scale that make Senators look like extra baggage. President Clinton chose some of the same battles, but not all at once, and he didn't whine and bitch about crap either. Clinton struggled in 1993, despite having a pretty solid majority (57) in the Senate. It took 3 nominees to get an AG (Reno), his (or her) push at health care reform failed badly, he couldn't even eliminate gay discrimination in the military. Minor gaffes (travelgate) were common. And the next year, he lost both the House and Senate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #39 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote state governors have a lower standard to meet. Obama can still grow into it, much as Clinton did. Or not. If not, he won't win reelection and the Democrats will have to think seriously about allowing open nominations in 2012. Next November will be the first checkpoint. Please, President Clinton had heaps more experience compared to President Obama. Even as Governor of Arkansas. In fact, heading up a state, in charge of a police force, national guard, budgets, trade with other states, and indeed nations, attracting business are all things governors contend with on a scale that make Senators look like extra baggage. President Clinton chose some of the same battles, but not all at once, and he didn't whine and bitch about crap either. Clinton struggled in 1993, despite having a pretty solid majority (57) in the Senate. It took 3 nominees to get an AG (Reno), his (or her) push at health care reform failed badly, he couldn't even eliminate gay discrimination in the military. Minor gaffes (travelgate) were common. And the next year, he lost both the House and Senate. I don't dispute your account on history, but his handling of all of that, was with far greater tact, depth and professionalism than what has been getting swung out of this current team in the White House. With today's crew if you don't agree, you're a racist. If you think someone should get fired (like NCTC Director Leiter), then how dare you question his going on vacation the day after the thwarted bombing attempt! Keeping lobbyists out of the staff in the executive office? Nope. Closing Gitmo as promised, and signed in an Executive Order? Nope. Cap-n-tax? Nope (thank God). Card Check? Nope (thank God). Olympics? Nope. Environmental at Copenhagen? Nothing. Dialogue with Iran? Nothing. Dialogue with DPRK? Nothing to show for. Persuade Israel to slow settlements? Nope. Persuade NATO to increase commitment in Afghanistan? Nope. All while bowing to the Emperor of Japan, pissing off China (and probably ROK, Taiwan and the rest of eastern Asia), giving away iPods to Queens, unplayable DVDs to Heads of State, and "reset" buttons to former enemies. How does the rest of the world see us? Well, al Qaeda is still trying to kill us and our own internal security apparatus can't even monitor glaring warning signs of shady activities from field grade officers in the Army or process pleas from a father to look out for his son. The list goes on and on...when he or the staff are confronted about it, they attack, and blame someone else (but it's been a year now, so blaming President Bush is well stale now). So, in the end, this C-Span charade is just another notch of "don't know how to do it"...he's squandered his political capital and spread his agenda too thin. About the only thing I'm agreeing with him on is his commitment to increase the force in Afghanistan, and assuming his doesn't gum up the gears with any more politics than has been done, I'll continue to support that strategy. I don't even see how people that voted for him can be all that happy. Me, I'm understandable, I don't support his agenda. But the rest that bought all the "hope-n-change" enjoy the ride, because once we see the balance in Congress shift a little off this far-left lean, the party will be over and it will be time to face reality.So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #40 January 8, 2010 QuoteIt's just another one of many, many promises made that he has not, and has no intention of delivering on, including provisions within the health bill itself, that will create a tax burden on families with incomes under $250K. Take your pick, he has not delivered on anything, with exception of massive spending, with nothing to show for it (yet to be seen, I'll grant that). There is some truth to that, we're still in the ME with no near sign of exit, gov transparency isn't whatg it was supposed to be, but isn't as secret as GWB, taxes aren't raised yet as promised. As for amssive spending, that's a joke. GWB's mortgage mess and 700B bailout was GWB's. GWB's passed down fiscal mess was remedied by Obama spending 787B to fix it, would you have done a Hoover? Just say no and mean yes. So I ask, what spending? Nothing to show for it? I guess since you thinbk Reagan was sucessful, I see your point. Unemp shading off Stock market fixed way ahead of time and stable GDP in great shape. You call that nothing? Of course you voted for GWB, so I'll take your nothing for what it's worth; nothing. http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdp_glance.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #41 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteIt's just another one of many, many promises made that he has not, and has no intention of delivering on, including provisions within the health bill itself, that will create a tax burden on families with incomes under $250K. Take your pick, he has not delivered on anything, with exception of massive spending, with nothing to show for it (yet to be seen, I'll grant that). I think your points are valid but this seems to be something not easily spun. Kind of like Bush Sr. and "read my lips". That is the problem I see with it. Most of the other stuff is too easily spun in my opinion. I think the 2010 election is going to be very interesting. I really want to see how the people vote. How's your forecasted market crash working out? Are your margins due yet? Sad day for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #42 January 8, 2010 QuoteI honestly think Obama intended to deliver on most of his promises. He just lacked experience with such high levels of government and scrutiny to realize that he wouldn't be able to deliver on those promises. he's learning now, the hard way. OJT sucks. I can't imagine how painful it is with the whole world watching. It's not lack of experience, it's lack of cooperation from his own congressional dems. He's more experienced than many / most presidents in the way of negotiating. Or be like GWB and not veto anything for 5.5 years, is that experience or apathy and cross-fingered hope? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #43 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteIs Obama in charge of either CSpan or Congress? That's news to me. Great point so the question becomes how or why could he even promise this in the first place. Either way it seems he is manipulating or flat lying. Perhaps, the truth is he could not do what he said he was going to do again like Bush Sr, I think he felt he had to raise taxes but never intended on doing so. Bush Sr followed the Republican dry, tired, tax cuts my friends BS to get elected. After realizing the mess fascist Ronnie gave him taking teh top tax brkt from 70% to 28% and spending thru the roof, GHWB cut spending, esp military and then ws faced with the Gulf War so he had to spend on that. He realized this idiocy of cutting taxes to fix everything was an antiquated joke and he then slightly raised taxes and was crucufied by his own party for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #44 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote state governors have a lower standard to meet. Obama can still grow into it, much as Clinton did. Or not. If not, he won't win reelection and the Democrats will have to think seriously about allowing open nominations in 2012. Next November will be the first checkpoint. Please, President Clinton had heaps more experience compared to President Obama. Even as Governor of Arkansas. In fact, heading up a state, in charge of a police force, national guard, budgets, trade with other states, and indeed nations, attracting business are all things governors contend with on a scale that make Senators look like extra baggage. President Clinton chose some of the same battles, but not all at once, and he didn't whine and bitch about crap either. Clinton struggled in 1993, despite having a pretty solid majority (57) in the Senate. It took 3 nominees to get an AG (Reno), his (or her) push at health care reform failed badly, he couldn't even eliminate gay discrimination in the military. Minor gaffes (travelgate) were common. And the next year, he lost both the House and Senate. Yes and no, it was his 93 tax increases that really made his presidency, after the idiots entered congress he got nothing done but most of the tax increases stayed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ridestrong 1 #45 January 8, 2010 Quote C-SPAN is prevented from airing Congressional porn. That closed door session will consist of lots of head jobs, hand jobs, and reach arounds that all of us understand is how the legislative branch of the government works, but none of us really want to see. That is exactly right... They won't be discussing how to improve the current bill... They will be trying to find out what it will take to bribe it through. Otherwise it would likely be broadcast as "promised".*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #46 January 8, 2010 Quote It's not lack of experience, it's lack of cooperation from his own congressional dems. He's more experienced than many / most presidents in the way of negotiating. perhaps, but that's not the experience I was referring to. Dealing with the large, slow moving, goverment machine kind of experience is what I meant. (and I think you know it, but nice deflection) His staff too. They apparently still wanted to use facebook and AOL IM for communications in the white house. Yeah... no security implications there...-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #47 January 8, 2010 QuoteIs Obama in charge of either CSpan or Congress? That's news to me. By definition, he's the head democrat, which are the people trying to do all this in secret. How do you spell cop-out, Quade?Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #48 January 8, 2010 Quote Quote Quade get real! Your boy is a liar. My "boy"? Wow. I use that word all the time. Is that ok with you boy?(or are you not black?) If your not black then Mr. Quade Now i'm a bigot? A new low for you!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timmyfitz 0 #49 January 8, 2010 QuoteAre you denying "boy"? Not that it was particularly your intention to use it that way, but it was perhaps a bit insensitive when used in reference to the man that currently sits in the Oval office. Pathetic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #50 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteSo Obama is, essentially, Jesse Ventura, then? Only on a national level, not state? state governors have a lower standard to meet. well, Jesse was able to deliver on the lower standards criteria Barack is still working hard to set his own low level at the national level - let's see how it goes, it's been less than 2 years yet ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
