Rstanley0312 1 #1 January 7, 2010 Ok so honest question. I don't care if you like him or don't like him. I don't want to hear he is the messiah or the devil...... what I want to know is..... what do you think about Obama saying over and over again that he is all about healthcare for the people and that it should be hammered out with input from all parties and of course that he would make sure it was on CSPAN for the rest of the country to see. "No closed doors". Seriously, even if you agree with the healthcare moves by the current admin. is this wrong to do it behind closed doors? Do you think it is wrong for Obama to go back on something he hammered home on the campaign trail? Discuss...Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #2 January 7, 2010 I think he should achieve his policy goals by the method that yields results. That said the GOP should crucify him for not being as open as he said he would be. It was naive/disingenuous of him to promise it and he should be taken to task for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #3 January 7, 2010 Quote Ok so honest question. I don't care if you like him or don't like him. I don't want to hear he is the messiah or the devil...... what I want to know is..... what do you think about Obama saying over and over again that he is all about healthcare for the people and that it should be hammered out with input from all parties and of course that he would make sure it was on CSPAN for the rest of the country to see. "No closed doors". Seriously, even if you agree with the healthcare moves by the current admin. is this wrong to do it behind closed doors? Do you think it is wrong for Obama to go back on something he hammered home on the campaign trail? Discuss... He is in the government (a high position) and his lips moved. Same for almost all of them"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #4 January 7, 2010 It's just another one of many, many promises made that he has not, and has no intention of delivering on, including provisions within the health bill itself, that will create a tax burden on families with incomes under $250K. Take your pick, he has not delivered on anything, with exception of massive spending, with nothing to show for it (yet to be seen, I'll grant that).So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #5 January 7, 2010 QuoteIt's just another one of many, many promises made that he has not, and has no intention of delivering on, including provisions within the health bill itself, that will create a tax burden on families with incomes under $250K. Take your pick, he has not delivered on anything, with exception of massive spending, with nothing to show for it (yet to be seen, I'll grant that). I think your points are valid but this seems to be something not easily spun. Kind of like Bush Sr. and "read my lips". That is the problem I see with it. Most of the other stuff is too easily spun in my opinion. I think the 2010 election is going to be very interesting. I really want to see how the people vote.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #6 January 7, 2010 I honestly think Obama intended to deliver on most of his promises. He just lacked experience with such high levels of government and scrutiny to realize that he wouldn't be able to deliver on those promises. he's learning now, the hard way. OJT sucks. I can't imagine how painful it is with the whole world watching.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 January 7, 2010 Is Obama in charge of either CSpan or Congress? That's news to me.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #8 January 7, 2010 QuoteI honestly think Obama intended to deliver on most of his promises. He just lacked experience with such high levels of government and scrutiny to realize that he wouldn't be able to deliver on those promises. he's learning now, the hard way. So he is, essentially, Jesse Ventura, then? Only on a national level, not state? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 January 7, 2010 QuoteIs Obama in charge of either CSpan or Congress? That's news to me. From C-SPAN CEO Brian Lamb: Quote“The C-SPAN networks will commit the necessary resources to covering all of these sessions LIVE and in their entirety,” Lamb wrote. “We will also, as we willingly do each day, provide C-SPAN’s multi-camera coverage to any interested member of the Capitol Hill broadcast pool.” Lamb reminded the leaders that “President Obama, Senate and House leaders, many of your rank-and-file members, and the nation’s editorial pages have all talked about the value of transparent discussions on reforming the nation’s health care system. Now that the process moves to the critical stage of reconciliation between the Chambers, we respectfully request that you allow the public full access, through television, to legislation that will affect the lives of every single American.” Specifically, then-Sen. Obama said on the campaign trail that “we’ll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so the people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents and who is making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies.” From Politico: QuotePresident Barack Obama and congressional Democratic leaders agreed Tuesday to forgo a formal conference committee for reconciling the Senate and House health care bills, according to three Democratic congressional aides. The decision means that the White House, Senate Majority Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will attempt to reach an agreement through private negotiations with key lawmakers. Once a deal is struck, the bill will go back to the House for passage, then to the Senate and on to the president’s desk — a legislative path that has been described as “ping pong.” The decision to bypass the conference committee, which the aides said came during an Oval Office meeting Tuesday, formalized what many Democrats had long known: If they have any hope of passing the health care bill quickly, they would need to circumvent the normal order of business. You were saying?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 January 7, 2010 Maybe you can highlight or quote where Obama has said it can't be broadcast?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 January 7, 2010 QuoteMaybe you can highlight or quote where Obama has said it can't be broadcast? I don't believe that was claimed - maybe you can show where C-SPAN has access to the closed-door meetings the Dems/Obama are holding?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #12 January 7, 2010 Quote Quote Maybe you can highlight or quote where Obama has said it can't be broadcast? I don't believe that was claimed - maybe you can show where C-SPAN has access to the closed-door meetings the Dems/Obama are holding? C-SPAN is prevented from airing Congressional porn. That closed door session will consist of lots of head jobs, hand jobs, and reach arounds that all of us understand is how the legislative branch of the government works, but none of us really want to see.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #13 January 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Maybe you can highlight or quote where Obama has said it can't be broadcast? I don't believe that was claimed - maybe you can show where C-SPAN has access to the closed-door meetings the Dems/Obama are holding? C-SPAN is prevented from airing Congressional porn. That closed door session will consist of lots of head jobs, hand jobs, and reach arounds that all of us understand is how the legislative branch of the government works, but none of us really want to see. That's a mental image I could have done without... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #14 January 7, 2010 QuoteIs Obama in charge of either CSpan or Congress? That's news to me. Great point so the question becomes how or why could he even promise this in the first place. Either way it seems he is manipulating or flat lying. Perhaps, the truth is he could not do what he said he was going to do again like Bush Sr, I think he felt he had to raise taxes but never intended on doing so.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #15 January 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Maybe you can highlight or quote where Obama has said it can't be broadcast? I don't believe that was claimed - maybe you can show where C-SPAN has access to the closed-door meetings the Dems/Obama are holding? C-SPAN is prevented from airing Congressional porn. That closed door session will consist of lots of head jobs, hand jobs, and reach arounds that all of us understand is how the legislative branch of the government works, but none of us really want to see. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #16 January 7, 2010 http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/White-House-We-will-NOT-discuss-broken-C-Span-promise-80829987.html Spin spin spinQuade get real! Your boy is a liar.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 January 7, 2010 Quote http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/White-House-We-will-NOT-discuss-broken-C-Span-promise-80829987.html Spin spin spinQuade get real! Your boy is a liar. ALL politicians are liars - it's their stock-in-trade.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #18 January 7, 2010 Quote Quote http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/White-House-We-will-NOT-discuss-broken-C-Span-promise-80829987.html Spin spin spinQuade get real! Your boy is a liar. ALL politicians are liars - it's their stock-in-trade. Correct but but a lot of Obama supporters act as if he does no wrong.Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #19 January 7, 2010 QuoteQuade get real! Your boy is a liar. My "boy"? Wow.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 January 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuade get real! Your boy is a liar. My "boy"? Wow. click Quote boy 1. n. Your friend or some one you admire. "Yo, I’m chillin’ with my boys tonight” or “Shaq is your boy right? He got lit up in last night’s game." Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 January 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quade get real! Your boy is a liar. My "boy"? Wow. Alright Now comes the race card!!! Have at it Quade"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 January 7, 2010 Are you denying "boy"? Not that it was particularly your intention to use it that way, but it was perhaps a bit insensitive when used in reference to the man that currently sits in the Oval office.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #23 January 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quade get real! Your boy is a liar. My "boy"? Wow. Alright Now comes the race card!!! Have at it Quade People invite the criticism when they use the language carelessly. It's also ironic when used by people criticizing Omaba for being sloppy with his language.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #24 January 7, 2010 QuoteAre you denying "boy"? Not that it was particularly your intention to use it that way, but it was perhaps a bit insensitive when used in reference to the man that currently sits in the Oval office. I wasn't the one that used it - I knew you were going to immediately throw the race card (which you did) and provided the slang meaning of the phrase. There's a quote somewhere about people who look to be offended can find opportunities where none were offered.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #25 January 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quade get real! Your boy is a liar. My "boy"? Wow. Alright Now comes the race card!!! Have at it Quade People invite the criticism when they use the language carelessly. It's also ironic when used by people criticizing Omaba for being sloppy with his language. go ahead, throw the card. You are the "sensitive" one What a hoot"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
