kallend 2,230 #26 January 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteCertainly an opinion piece in an ultra right wing site has no statistical validity. When did the FBI become "an ultra right wing site"?????? ANYTHING that mentions guns in a favorable aspect is 'ultra-right wing', didn't you know? When did the FBI start posting opinion pieces on americanthinker.com, Mike?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #27 January 7, 2010 QuoteQuote And the most recent piece from the CDC showed ZERO correlation in gun laws and crime rates. Seems to contradict the thread title. The title doesn't claim correlation, just noting the facts for 2009. A man of semantics like yourself should know this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #28 January 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote And the most recent piece from the CDC showed ZERO correlation in gun laws and crime rates. Seems to contradict the thread title. The title doesn't claim correlation, just noting the facts for 2009. A man of semantics like yourself should know this. Cool, so JR wasted bandwidth on a pure coincidence as if it were relevant to anything. Be interesting to dream up a few more totally irrelevant coincidences as thread titles: 2009: More iPod Touches, Fewer Honey Bees. 2007: More Chinese, Fewer Cancer Deaths, Again... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #29 January 7, 2010 QuoteCool, so JR wasted bandwidth on a pure coincidence as if it were relevant to anything. Basically, that is the question. Is there any correlation between gun sales and crime increase/decrease? That seems to be a simple yes/no answer. It seems that if there is a correlation, it must be that as gun sales increase, crime decreases. In Chicago, the murder rate skyrocketed for a while. Gun sales had not increased, but gang violence had. The FBI recommended a plan to reduce gang activity based on their experiences in LA and NY. Chicago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #30 January 7, 2010 QuoteQuoteCool, so JR wasted bandwidth on a pure coincidence as if it were relevant to anything. Basically, that is the question. Is there any correlation between gun sales and crime increase/decrease? That seems to be a simple yes/no answer. It seems that if there is a correlation, it must be that as gun sales increase, crime decreases. Well, according to the NAS there isn't. But a correctly performed (peer reviewed) statistical analysis correcting for confounding variables showed a statistically significant correlation between gun deaths and % of households owning guns, and between gun deaths and purchase of a gun.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #31 January 7, 2010 QuoteWell, according to the NAS there isn't. But a correctly performed (peer reviewed) statistical analysis correcting for confounding variables showed a statistically significant correlation between gun deaths and % of households owning guns, and between gun deaths and purchase of a gun. I bet it shows a statistically significant correlation between crimes and criminals, too.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #32 January 7, 2010 QuoteBut a correctly performed (peer reviewed) statistical analysis correcting for confounding variables showed a statistically significant correlation between gun deaths and % of households owning guns, and between gun deaths and purchase of a gun. And the CDC found ZERO correlation between restrictive gun laws and deaths. I guess you think the CDC did a poor job? Quote correlation between gun deaths and % of households owning guns, and between gun deaths and purchase of a gun. I bet people that buy skydiving gear are significantly more likely to die skydiving than people who don't buy skydiving gear."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #33 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteBut a correctly performed (peer reviewed) statistical analysis correcting for confounding variables showed a statistically significant correlation between gun deaths and % of households owning guns, and between gun deaths and purchase of a gun. And the CDC found ZERO correlation between restrictive gun laws and deaths. I guess you think the CDC did a poor job? . No, I'd be surprised if they had found a correlation, because, thanks to people like you, the so-called "restrictive" guns laws are so absurdly easy to circumvent that they might as well not exist. Quote I bet people that buy skydiving gear are significantly more likely to die skydiving than people who don't buy skydiving gear. I've yet to find a person who reckons skydiving makes them safer than someone who doesn't skydive.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #34 January 9, 2010 Quote No, I'd be surprised if they had found a correlation, because, thanks to people like you, the so-called "restrictive" guns laws are so absurdly easy to circumvent that they might as well not exist. Sounds like you're talking about our drug laws. Oh right, those don't work either, and surely you're not going to claim that those are flimsy laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #35 January 9, 2010 QuoteQuote No, I'd be surprised if they had found a correlation, because, thanks to people like you, the so-called "restrictive" guns laws are so absurdly easy to circumvent that they might as well not exist. Sounds like you're talking about our drug laws. Oh right, those don't work either, and surely you're not going to claim that those are flimsy laws. An outcomes analysis suggests that they are ineffective.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #36 January 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote No, I'd be surprised if they had found a correlation, because, thanks to people like you, the so-called "restrictive" guns laws are so absurdly easy to circumvent that they might as well not exist. Sounds like you're talking about our drug laws. Oh right, those don't work either, and surely you're not going to claim that those are flimsy laws. An outcomes analysis suggests that they are ineffective. Ya, just like restrictive gun laws huh"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #37 January 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote No, I'd be surprised if they had found a correlation, because, thanks to people like you, the so-called "restrictive" guns laws are so absurdly easy to circumvent that they might as well not exist. Sounds like you're talking about our drug laws. Oh right, those don't work either, and surely you're not going to claim that those are flimsy laws. An outcomes analysis suggests that they are ineffective. Ya, just like restrictive gun laws huh Wake up, Marc.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #38 January 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote No, I'd be surprised if they had found a correlation, because, thanks to people like you, the so-called "restrictive" guns laws are so absurdly easy to circumvent that they might as well not exist. Sounds like you're talking about our drug laws. Oh right, those don't work either, and surely you're not going to claim that those are flimsy laws. An outcomes analysis suggests that they are ineffective. Ya, just like restrictive gun laws huh Wake up, Marc. I didnt type it in my sleep"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #39 January 9, 2010 Cory Wilson, 27, Terry Mabry, 55, and Carlton Carter, 57 would probably like to comment on this topic but, they were killed Thursday when Timothy Hendron walked into the ABB factory in St.Louis armed with an assault rifle, shotgun, and a handgun with the intent of killing his coworkers. I would suspect that the guns were legal and that Mr.Hendron had no trouble buying the weapons. Years ago, when I worked at Hussmann in St.Louis, a man shot another man in the parking lot. The victim was dating the man's ex-wife. All three were employed by Hussmann. The shooter walked up to the victims car when he pulled into a parking space and shot him point blank in the head. A second incident was stopped before a man who was just fired commented to the guard that he was coming back and was going to pick people off as they came out of the factory. He was arrested at his house as he was loading his car with rifles and ammo. He was dressed in full cammo. Had the guards not taken his comment serious, he would had killed several that day. Both were legal gun owners and often passed out gun rights literature at the plant. Some people should never have access to fire arms but, how do you weed out the nutcases when they appear to be normal? One of the two at the factory, I knew as he worked in the same area (he made the comment to the guards). I always thought he was a little bit fanatical about his rights to own guns but, I never thought that he would threaten and then attempt to carry out a massacre. You just never know."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #40 January 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote No, I'd be surprised if they had found a correlation, because, thanks to people like you, the so-called "restrictive" guns laws are so absurdly easy to circumvent that they might as well not exist. Sounds like you're talking about our drug laws. Oh right, those don't work either, and surely you're not going to claim that those are flimsy laws. An outcomes analysis suggests that they are ineffective. Ya, just like restrictive gun laws huh Wake up, Marc. I didnt type it in my sleep Apparently you weren't paying attention (as usual).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 January 9, 2010 QuoteCory Wilson, 27, Terry Mabry, 55, and Carlton Carter, 57 would probably like to comment on this topic but, they were killed Thursday when Timothy Hendron walked into the ABB factory in St.Louis armed with an assault rifle, shotgun, and a handgun with the intent of killing his coworkers. I would suspect that the guns were legal and that Mr.Hendron had no trouble buying the weapons. Years ago, when I worked at Hussmann in St.Louis, a man shot another man in the parking lot. The victim was dating the man's ex-wife. All three were employed by Hussmann. The shooter walked up to the victims car when he pulled into a parking space and shot him point blank in the head. A second incident was stopped before a man who was just fired commented to the guard that he was coming back and was going to pick people off as they came out of the factory. He was arrested at his house as he was loading his car with rifles and ammo. He was dressed in full cammo. Had the guards not taken his comment serious, he would had killed several that day. Both were legal gun owners and often passed out gun rights literature at the plant. Some people should never have access to fire arms but, how do you weed out the nutcases when they appear to be normal? One of the two at the factory, I knew as he worked in the same area (he made the comment to the guards). I always thought he was a little bit fanatical about his rights to own guns but, I never thought that he would threaten and then attempt to carry out a massacre. You just never know. There are nut cases and yes, we will never know for sure who snap. Same with drivers in cars. But the man did the killing"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #42 January 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote No, I'd be surprised if they had found a correlation, because, thanks to people like you, the so-called "restrictive" guns laws are so absurdly easy to circumvent that they might as well not exist. Sounds like you're talking about our drug laws. Oh right, those don't work either, and surely you're not going to claim that those are flimsy laws. An outcomes analysis suggests that they are ineffective. Ya, just like restrictive gun laws huh Wake up, Marc. I didnt type it in my sleep Apparently you weren't paying attention (as usual). You have a hard time when your point is turned on you dont you?But keep the snarky comments comming. Makes you look so professional teach."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #43 January 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote No, I'd be surprised if they had found a correlation, because, thanks to people like you, the so-called "restrictive" guns laws are so absurdly easy to circumvent that they might as well not exist. Sounds like you're talking about our drug laws. Oh right, those don't work either, and surely you're not going to claim that those are flimsy laws. An outcomes analysis suggests that they are ineffective. Ya, just like restrictive gun laws huh Wake up, Marc. I didnt type it in my sleep Apparently you weren't paying attention (as usual). You have a hard time when your point is turned on you dont you?But keep the snarky comments comming. Makes you look so professional teach. You REALLY weren't paying attention to the thread, were you? Keep on, though, you just look more and more foolish.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #44 January 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote No, I'd be surprised if they had found a correlation, because, thanks to people like you, the so-called "restrictive" guns laws are so absurdly easy to circumvent that they might as well not exist. Sounds like you're talking about our drug laws. Oh right, those don't work either, and surely you're not going to claim that those are flimsy laws. An outcomes analysis suggests that they are ineffective. Ya, just like restrictive gun laws huh Wake up, Marc. I didnt type it in my sleep Apparently you weren't paying attention (as usual). You have a hard time when your point is turned on you dont you?But keep the snarky comments comming. Makes you look so professional teach. You REALLY weren't paying attention to the thread, were you? Keep on, though, you just look more and more foolish. Still the snark"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #45 January 9, 2010 Quote Still the snark If you paid attention instead of name calling you might be a more effective debater.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #46 January 9, 2010 Quote Quote Still the snark If you paid attention instead of name calling you might be a more effective debater. And if you would have first pointed out where (you think) I missed the point instead of being a damned smart ass we would not be here would weMy point showed your same lame point could be used against your many times stated position You hate when your own shit is used against you huh"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #47 January 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Still the snark If you paid attention instead of name calling you might be a more effective debater. And if you would have first pointed out where (you think) I missed the point instead of being a damned smart ass we would not be here would weMy point showed your same lame point could be used against your many times stated position You hate when your own shit is used against you huh Read the thread, Marc, instead of hurling insults, then maybe you WILL get the point.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #48 January 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Still the snark If you paid attention instead of name calling you might be a more effective debater. And if you would have first pointed out where (you think) I missed the point instead of being a damned smart ass we would not be here would weMy point showed your same lame point could be used against your many times stated position You hate when your own shit is used against you huh Read the thread, Marc, instead of hurling insults, then maybe you WILL get the point. Dont like the insults???? Then dont start with them Of course, you most likely think "wake up" is a kind and nurturing comment meant only to enhance the conversation"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #49 January 9, 2010 QuoteNo, I'd be surprised if they had found a correlation, because, thanks to people like you, the so-called "restrictive" guns laws are so absurdly easy to circumvent that they might as well not exist. Oh, please expand on "people like me"... Cause I am willing to bet you have no idea what you are talking about. Funny how you claim the CDC is one of the only agencies that could do a good study... That is until they do one you don't like."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #50 January 9, 2010 Quote Funny how you claim the CDC is one of the only agencies that could do a good study... That is until they do one you don't like. Where did I write that I didn't like it? I just wrote that it doesn't surprise me at all since I wouldn;t expect a correlation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
