Shoe Bomber/Underwear Bomber & criminal trial.

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So, during the Bush administration, we had the Shoe bomber who was tried in a criminal court. Now he's serving life without parole.

So why is that when we're doing the same thing with Mr. Underpants, the Right wingers are complaining about treating him the same way (rather than using a military tribunal & trying him as an enemy combatant).

Is there some difference between Shoe-Bombing and Underpants-Bombing?

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Because they both happened on US soil?

Please don't dent the planet.

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Is there some difference between Shoe-Bombing and Underpants-Bombing?

Yep. Show me some pics of both - and I'll let you know

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[rushmc 23]

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So, during the Bush administration, we had the Shoe bomber who was tried in a criminal court. Now he's serving life without parole.

So why is that when we're doing the same thing with Mr. Underpants, the Right wingers are complaining about treating him the same way (rather than using a military tribunal & trying him as an enemy combatant).

Is there some difference between Shoe-Bombing and Underpants-Bombing?

Cause Reid was a US citizen maybe??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Cause Reid was a US citizen maybe??

Or maybe not...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Cause Reid was a US citizen maybe??

Or maybe not...

Well then, I do not know why Bush did it either. Stupid on both counts

Maybe because he was a Brit?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 3]

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So why is that when we're doing the same thing with Mr. Underpants, the Right wingers are complaining about treating him the same way (rather than using a military tribunal & trying him as an enemy combatant).

Because the Bush Administration, even beyond its terms in office, still has the right wingers bamboozled into thinking that there is a 3rd legal category called "enemy combatant" for which there are neither (a) constitutional protections due a criminal defendant, nor (b) protections of the Geneva Convention due a prisoner of war.

THERE IS NO SUCH THIRD CATEGORY - it is an UNLAWFUL figment of the Bush Administrations' collective minds, and will go down in history as as much a shameful blot in American jurisprudential history as the Dred Scott decision or the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII.

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That is a good question, maybe some back room dealing for intel or such motivated it, who knows but I'd like to find out.

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So why is that when we're doing the same thing with Mr. Underpants, the Right wingers are complaining about treating him the same way (rather than using a military tribunal & trying him as an enemy combatant).

Because the Bush Administration, even beyond its terms in office, still has the right wingers bamboozled into thinking that there is a 3rd legal category called "enemy combatant" for which there are neither (a) constitutional protections due a criminal defendant, nor (b) protections of the Geneva Convention due a prisoner of war.

THERE IS NO SUCH THIRD CATEGORY - it is an UNLAWFUL figment of the Bush Administrations' collective minds, and will go down in history as as much a shameful blot in American jurisprudential history as the Dred Scott decision or the internment of Japanese-Americans during WWII.

You are a card carrying money supporter of the democratic underground are you not???

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Cause Reid was a US citizen maybe??

Or maybe not...

Well then, I do not know why Bush did it either. Stupid on both counts

Maybe because he was a Brit?

What the judge said to Reid after the sentence was passed:

"'You are not an enemy combatant, you are a terrorist' ... 'You are not a soldier in any army, you are a terrorist. To call you a soldier gives you far too much stature."

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Cause Reid was a US citizen maybe??

Or maybe not...

Well then, I do not know why Bush did it either. Stupid on both counts

Maybe because he was a Brit?

What the judge said to Reid after the sentence was passed:

"'You are not an enemy combatant, you are a terrorist' ... 'You are not a soldier in any army, you are a terrorist. To call you a soldier gives you far too much stature."

Here's the full quote from the Reid judge, which I think lays out really well why it's important that we treat these people like the criminals they are:

We are not afraid of any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.

Here in this court where we deal with individuals as individuals, and care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for justice.

You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it, or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist.

And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not treat with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists.

We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You're a big fellow. But you're not that big. You're no warrior. I know warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted murders.

In a very real sense Trooper Santiago had it right when first you were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and where the TV crews were and you said you're no big deal. You're no big deal.

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People applauded the judge when he put Reid in his place.


So why should things be different now?

I was watching FOX News this morning & they were harping on why won't they use a military tribunal, and going on about how this administration is approaching terrorism "differently."

And through it all, they completely AVOIDED even mentioning the shoe bomber incident, which to my mind, is the most similar incident to this one.

It seems to me like this terrorist is being treated the same way under the Obama administration as Reid was under the Bush administration, so why do some Conservatives & Fox news denounce it?

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It seems to me like this terrorist is being treated the same way under the Obama administration as Reid was under the Bush administration, so why do some Conservatives & Fox news denounce it?

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They would rather trash the Constitution and American values than miss an opportunity to bash Obama.

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