Ron 10 #201 January 3, 2010 Quote Yes, because it is extremely hard for a single person going crazy to kill twelve people with a bat, or stab them to death That's not the question I asked..... Please try again. "Are these LESS of a loss of freedom?" Quotemakes it easier to contain a specific individual once he gets crazy. Having a gun also makes it easier to defend against a guy that has a gun. Quote Oh no, those things already led to restriction of your rights. Have you tried to bring a full-size scissors in a plane recently? Can you show me where the Constitution talks about full sized scissors? Besides... I don't honestly have a problem with certain places not being allowed to have guns.... As long as EVERY individual has to pass through a metal detector, everything is Xrayed, and there is an armed security force capable to stop an attacker. Airports, jails, and courthouses are examples. I don't LIKE it, but I think if you are going to disarm citizens, then you need to take extra steps to ensure that the criminals are also not armed."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #202 January 3, 2010 QuoteNo, I do not support the right of yet another "law abiding individual" to shot me or my children because he was fired from his job, broke with his girlfriend or pissed off on his teachers and peers - even if that is what they really want. Good thing for you that most "law abiding individual's" are not going to shoot you. Statistics clearly show that people with CHL/CWP are MORE law abiding than society as a whole. Plus you seem to be ignoring that gun ownership is UP MORE THAN EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE US, and crime rates are DOWN. So once again, the data does not support your position. (And the references have already been provided)"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #203 January 3, 2010 Can you help clear up my confusion with your position?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #204 January 3, 2010 QuoteReally? Are you sure? Yes, no GUN ever committed a crime. It is simply impossible for a gun to commit one..... Just like a hammer cannot build a house."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #205 January 3, 2010 QuoteNo, I'm just pointing out that your assumption that three of you would be dead if you didn't have a gun is definitely groundless. Provide your PROOF please."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #206 January 3, 2010 QuoteQuote Ignorant comment. Freedom of expression in Germany is granted by Article 5 of the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany. Although there are some prohibited topics (holocaust denial, for example), commenting negatively on German laws is permissable to "all persons", a group that would include you. It's a pretty fucking big "Although" there. I prefer a real freedom of expression, where Nazis and Scientologists can roam freely. How is that relevant to my response to his post (which you conveniently snipped to remove the context)? Contrary to his claim he wouldn't be deported for criticizing German law.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #207 January 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteNo, I'm just pointing out that your assumption that three of you would be dead if you didn't have a gun is definitely groundless. Provide your PROOF please. Another fucking stupid absurd request. Have you been taking lessons from mnealtx? Without having access to a parallel universe it is unprovable either way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #208 January 3, 2010 Quote Quote Ignorant comment. Freedom of expression in Germany is granted by Article 5 of the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany. Although there are some prohibited topics (holocaust denial, for example), commenting negatively on German laws is permissable to "all persons", a group that would include you. It's a pretty fucking big "Although" there. I prefer a real freedom of expression, where Nazis and Scientologists can roam freely. Me too, my dear. As long as they are roaming freely overseas, f. e. in the US, I will not complain. Let your Nazi parties party as long as they like - but, not in my sweet (nearly) Nazi free country. And as Scientology will never get a f*cking foot onto our soil, keep them at your home What you *prefer* is a BS, you just don't know it. Why do *you* fight against illegals, entering your country via the Mexican borders, just f.e.? Let them roam freely, man .... Yack. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #209 January 3, 2010 QuoteProvide your PROOF please. Oh, I seen it somewhere. You can find it in Google. By your own definition, this is proof. Now prepare to hear in every following post that I provided you facts and references, which you conveniently ignored!* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #210 January 3, 2010 QuoteQuoteProvide your PROOF please. Oh, I seen it somewhere. You can find it in Google. that seems like a slight directed at someone specifically. I expect you won't get called on it though.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #211 January 3, 2010 Quote that seems like a slight directed at someone specifically. I expect you won't get called on it though. Well, Ron considers such things as "proof" when he states them. Thus he should accept those things as proof when others state them.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #212 January 3, 2010 QuoteAnother fucking stupid absurd request. Have you been taking lessons from mnealtx? Without having access to a parallel universe it is unprovable either way. Without being able to prove it EITHER WAY... Then he can't back his position either. Yet he demands US prove our position. Yet you have jumped on ME making this request and not him."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #213 January 3, 2010 QuoteBy your own definition, this is proof. Wow you have trouble understanding the English language don't you? I have provided more than you EVER have.... All you have provided is ignorant rants... The proof is in both our posts. QuoteWell, Ron considers such things as "proof" when he states them. No, I provided links even in this thread.... I DO expect people who want to discuss a topic to know something about the topic and you have not been able to function in that capacity. You just ignore the links and cites since you can't back your position up with anything but rants. Time after time I have proven you know nothing about the topic.... Time after time I have provided links and cites. You have provided NOTHING but rants... And the proof is here for all to see."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #214 January 3, 2010 Quote No, I provided links even in this thread.... Sorry, dude, I have no intention to search the whole thread to find those posts where you provided links, so this is yet another groundless claim from you. Quote I DO expect people who want to discuss a topic to know something about the topic and you have not been able to function in that capacity. You just ignore the links and cites since you can't back your position up with anything but rants. This is because I do not consider you an opponent worthy of discussing those topics with, and I suggested long time ago that in this case you might want just to stop discussing with me. Almost nothing you provided during our discussion was constructive, and all your replies to me mostly contains bragging and groundless claims. And this is what you are and will be getting back as well.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #215 January 3, 2010 Quote Sorry, dude, I have no intention to search the whole thread to find those posts where you provided links, so this is yet another groundless claim from you The fact that you are lazy and don't bother to look something up does not change the fact they have been provided time after time. They have been provided and you keep bringing lame excuses so you can ignore them. You being lazy does not equal something not happening. I get the feeling I could fly the authors to your house and have them read the reports to you and you would find some excuse as to why they would not be valid. Thats your MO. QuoteThis is because I do not consider you an opponent worthy of discussing those topics with, and I suggested long time ago that in this case you might want just to stop discussing with me. That is because you are unable to compete with facts. And our posting history proves that. You yelling victory and running away does not change the facts that have been provided at all. You being too lazy to look at them does not change the fact they have been presented and proven you to be ignorant on the topic. You are full of sound and fury.... But signify nothing."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #216 January 4, 2010 Quote The fact that you are lazy and don't bother to look something up does not change the fact they have been provided time after time. They have been provided and you keep bringing lame excuses so you can ignore them. Same with you. I have provided you data and reference to Google, and the fact that you are lazy and don't bother to look something up does not change the fact they have been provided time after time. They have been provided and you keep bringing lame excuses so you can ignore them. (and of course you being lazy does not equal something not happening) Quote That is because you are unable to compete with facts. And our posting history proves that. *yawn* yet another lame round of repeating the same Ron-style bullshit.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #217 January 4, 2010 Quote Quote The fact that you are lazy and don't bother to look something up does not change the fact they have been provided time after time. They have been provided and you keep bringing lame excuses so you can ignore them. Same with you. I have provided you data and reference to Google, and the fact that you are lazy and don't bother to look something up does not change the fact they have been provided time after time. They have been provided and you keep bringing lame excuses so you can ignore them. (and of course you being lazy does not equal something not happening) Quote That is because you are unable to compete with facts. And our posting history proves that. *yawn* yet another lame round of repeating the same Ron-style bullshit. As opposed to say....... georgerussia style bull shit???????????"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #218 January 4, 2010 Quote *yawn* yet another lame round of repeating the same Ron-style bullshit. well then if you wish anyone to take your opinion seriously, why not make a real argument?-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #219 January 4, 2010 Quotewell then if you wish anyone to take your opinion seriously, why not make a real argument? I do it often, like here or here right in this thread (maybe I should have just said "I provided links even in this thread" as Ron does?). However when you spend some time searching for the facts or combining the references, and get a copypasted reply like this, or no reply at all, it provides zero incentives to spend more than thirty seconds replying to such individual. After all, if a person obviously does not respect you as his opponent, why waste extra time on him?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #220 January 4, 2010 Quote As opposed to say....... georgerussia style bull shit??????????? Of course! "Treat others as you want to be treated by them", as your Jesus allegedly said, and it would be naive to expect anything else back.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #221 January 4, 2010 Quote Quote As opposed to say....... georgerussia style bull shit??????????? Of course! "Treat others as you want to be treated by them", as your Jesus allegedly said, and it would be naive to expect anything else back. Ah yes A rule to practice daily"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #222 January 4, 2010 Quote Quote It's a pretty fucking big "Although" there. I prefer a real freedom of expression, where Nazis and Scientologists can roam freely. Me too, my dear. As long as they are roaming freely overseas, f. e. in the US, I will not complain. Let your Nazi parties party as long as they like - but, not in my sweet (nearly) Nazi free country. And as Scientology will never get a f*cking foot onto our soil, keep them at your home Tragically, this is exactly the sort of thing that lead up to problem that resulted in this freedom limited constitution of your's. First you attack and ban the unpopular minorities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #223 January 4, 2010 Quote Same with you. Fact: I have provided cites, links, and even copied some references. Fact: You have not. The evidence is here for all to see, you are only fooling yourself. Have you noticed NO ONE has supported your claims of you providing anything but rants?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #224 January 4, 2010 QuoteFact: I have provided cites, links, and even copied some references. Fact: You have not. Rather than say he has provided no links, or cites - which he clearly has, maybe it would be a bit more rational to dispute or argue the links he has posted... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #225 January 4, 2010 QuoteYes, no GUN ever committed a crime. It is simply impossible for a gun to commit one..... Just like a hammer cannot build a house. I agree, as long as you agree that no gun has ever prevented a crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
