crewkeith 0 #76 January 2, 2010 hmmm. December 5th 3:30 am las Vegas Nevada. route 108 bus stop man approaches ME demanding money and brandishing a knife. i politely draw my trusty handy dandy kimber .45 and put a red dot on his forehead. he changed his mind., i am alive as well as the 2 other people at the bus stop. argue those points. as far as being reported, that would be a good example of no news is good news. why would any one report that? 3people dead at the bus stop woulda made news wouldnt they? .The skies are no longer safe I'm back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #77 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuote If you can't figure it out, then you probably don't need to be posting in these type of threads. In past you have been caught multiple times in situations when you said something which was discovered to be false, and then played "this is not what I meant" game, refusing at the same time to explain what you meant. No, thanks. Either you explain what you mean by your quite out of context post, or talk to yourself. Murder is murder. The victim is still dead, regardless of the TOOL used to commit the murder. Is that simple enough, or do I need to dumb it down some more?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crewkeith 0 #78 January 2, 2010 what is the violent crime rate in alaska or vermont? ,The skies are no longer safe I'm back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #79 January 2, 2010 Quote hmmm. December 5th 3:30 am las Vegas Nevada. route 108 bus stop man approaches ME demanding money and brandishing a knife. i politely draw my trusty handy dandy kimber .45 and put a red dot on his forehead. he changed his mind., i am alive as well as the 2 other people at the bus stop. You'd be alive as well if you just gave him your money, as he was not trying to kill you. If you take out another knife, or a dummy gun it might also have the same effect. So far pretty much every gun story I heard the same effect might be achieved having unloaded broken gun, as none actually used it. I also wonder if you turned him in to the police, or just let him go and rob others? Quote argue those points. as far as being reported, that would be a good example of no news is good news. why would any one report that? 3people dead at the bus stop woulda made news wouldnt they? An attempt to kill three people even in average physical condition with just a knife would most likely fail.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #80 January 2, 2010 Quote Murder is murder. The victim is still dead, regardless of the TOOL used to commit the murder. This is a poster child example of such useless point.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #81 January 2, 2010 Quotewhat is the violent crime rate in alaska or vermont? , Alaska, 651.9 (#8) Vermont, 135.9 (#51) 2008 data, includes Puerto Rico (hence the 51). Larger cities, higher crime rates.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #82 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuote hmmm. December 5th 3:30 am las Vegas Nevada. route 108 bus stop man approaches ME demanding money and brandishing a knife. i politely draw my trusty handy dandy kimber .45 and put a red dot on his forehead. he changed his mind., i am alive as well as the 2 other people at the bus stop. You'd be alive as well if you just gave him your money, as he was not trying to kill you. Prove it. QuoteAn attempt to kill three people even in average physical condition with just a knife would most likely fail. Tell that to the Rwandans - 500k+ killed in 3 months, most with machetes.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #83 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuote Murder is murder. The victim is still dead, regardless of the TOOL used to commit the murder. This is a poster child example of such useless point. Since we're speaking of useless points - provide proof of how you are more dead if you're killed by a gun vs poison, drowning, stabbing, etc etc etc.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crewkeith 0 #84 January 2, 2010 most people are sheep dude. they would sit there and wait their turn to die. criminals know this. criminals just try to avoid the wolves when they can. we need more wolves. as far as giving him my money FUCK THAT. some one wants to try go right ahead. and how is to say he would have just took my money and not stabbed me in the face. you one of those people that believe people are nice and honest?The skies are no longer safe I'm back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #85 January 2, 2010 Quote most people are sheep dude. they would sit there and wait their turn to die. criminals know this. criminals just try to avoid the wolves when they can. we need more wolves. as far as giving him my money FUCK THAT. some one wants to try go right ahead. and how is to say he would have just took my money and not stabbed me in the face. you one of those people that believe people are nice and honest? No, I'm just pointing out that your assumption that three of you would be dead if you didn't have a gun is definitely groundless. But since you didn't turn a criminal to the police (very "nice" of you, I have to admit, and makes the whole story much less believable), next time he'll probably bring a gun, and shot you as soon as you try to reach for yours.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #86 January 2, 2010 Quote Since we're speaking of useless points - provide proof of how you are more dead if you're killed by a gun vs poison, drowning, stabbing, etc etc etc. A further example of such useless point. I wonder whether you don't really understand it, or you're just pretending?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #87 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuote most people are sheep dude. they would sit there and wait their turn to die. criminals know this. criminals just try to avoid the wolves when they can. we need more wolves. as far as giving him my money FUCK THAT. some one wants to try go right ahead. and how is to say he would have just took my money and not stabbed me in the face. you one of those people that believe people are nice and honest? No, I'm just pointing out that your assumption that three of you would be dead if you didn't have a gun is definitely groundless. As is YOUR assumption that he wouldn't harm anyone. QuoteBut since you didn't turn a criminal to the police (very "nice" of you, I have to admit, and makes the whole story much less believable), next time he'll probably bring a gun, and shot you as soon as you try to reach for yours. Proof, please.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #88 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuote Since we're speaking of useless points - provide proof of how you are more dead if you're killed by a gun vs poison, drowning, stabbing, etc etc etc. A further example of such useless point. I wonder whether you don't really understand it, or you're just pretending? What's the matter, George - can't answer the question? Here's a simpler one: Why are you so afraid of guns?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #89 January 2, 2010 Quote Prove it. Prove what? I didn't see you presenting any evidence, so why are you asking me to present any? Quote Tell that to the Rwandans - 500k+ killed in 3 months, most with machetes. You do not see a difference between a civil war, and your regular murderer, don't you?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #90 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuote Prove it. Prove what? I didn't see you presenting any evidence, so why are you asking me to present any? I don't have to provide any evidence - YOU made the assertion that the robber wasn't going to kill him. Prove your claim or withdraw it. QuoteQuote Tell that to the Rwandans - 500k+ killed in 3 months, most with machetes. You do not see a difference between a civil war, and your regular murderer, don't you? You made the assertion that someone with a knife couldn't kill three people in reasonable shape. Prove your claim, or withdraw it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #91 January 2, 2010 Quote As is YOUR assumption that he wouldn't harm anyone. Which worth as much as YOUR assumption that he would. See it now? QuoteProof, please. Dude, stop asking everyone for proof until you start providing any proof yourself. It looks like you think that you can say whatever you want and not needed to provide any evidence, but when others do the same, you start asking them to provide proof. Why do you think so high of yourself? Your words worth no more than mine, so if you do not provide evidence, do not expect anyone else to provide it either.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #92 January 2, 2010 >Tell that to the Rwandans - 500k+ killed in 3 months, most with >machetes. Excellent point. They could have done that in a few weeks if they'd had enough guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crewkeith 0 #93 January 2, 2010 that is something i train for every day. hope he. or someone else, tries. i just hope i don't save your life by accident some day. oh wait you wouldn't allow your self into a situation like that would you. you probably avoid bad places where crime is likely. hence you dont see the need for guns. nice beige volvo in the garage? house in the suburbs? stay in dreamland pal. leave the real world for the people that have the balls for it. as far as believing my little story, i could actually give a flying fuck what you believe. you can take your facts and figures and shove those up your ass. the point i was making is people seldom report shit like that but the murders and assaults make front page news. just like skydiving never see anything like "10000 skydives made today with no injuries" but shit like one skydiver frapping in makes world news. we probably shouldn't ever be on the same plane load .The skies are no longer safe I'm back Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #94 January 2, 2010 QuoteQuote As is YOUR assumption that he wouldn't harm anyone. Which worth as much as YOUR assumption that he would. See it now? I didn't make that assumption. Nice try. QuoteQuoteProof, please. Dude, stop asking everyone for proof until you start providing any proof yourself. I have - you haven't. QuoteIt looks like you think that you can say whatever you want and not needed to provide any evidence, but when others do the same, you start asking them to provide proof. Why do you think so high of yourself? Your words worth no more than mine, so if you do not provide evidence, do not expect anyone else to provide it either. Which is EXACTLY what you have done both in this thread and the other gun thread. Ron, myself and others HAVE provided info - you're provided Yuri Orloff fantasies and surmises. Take your own advice.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #95 January 2, 2010 Quote>Tell that to the Rwandans - 500k+ killed in 3 months, most with >machetes. Excellent point. They could have done that in a few weeks if they'd had enough guns. George could steer the bad guys over to Yuri Orlov, you could teach the good guys how to do a judo-flip.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #96 January 2, 2010 Quote What's the matter, George - can't answer the question? Was it a question? I thought you made some irrelevant and rather stupid point, and somehow wanted ME to provide proof for the point YOU made. Not even funny. QuoteHere's a simpler one: Why are you so afraid of guns? I'm not. I just do not want to own one, and do not want to be killed from one.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #97 January 2, 2010 QuoteYou'd be alive as well if you just gave him your money, as he was not trying to kill you. Where the fuck did you grow up? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #98 January 2, 2010 QuoteMurder is murder. The victim is still dead, regardless of the TOOL used to commit the murder. -----------------------------------------------------------This is a poster child example of such useless point. So the point that murder is murder is invalid? You are saying that it's a useless point. So that means that you think that HOW a murder is carried out makes a distinction. tell me how that point is useless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #99 January 2, 2010 Quote I don't have to provide any evidence - YOU made the assertion that the robber wasn't going to kill him. Prove your claim or withdraw it. No, sir. My assertion is just my opinion based on the story we were told. So far I did not see any evidence which would make it invalid, so I see no reason to withdraw it. If you don't believe it, it's up to you. If you, however, believe that nothing should be written here unless proven by facts and research, I suggest you start do it yourself first, and only then demand this from others. You know, the "personal responsibility" thing. Quote You made the assertion that someone with a knife couldn't kill three people in reasonable shape. Prove your claim, or withdraw it. I'll repeat: you do not see a difference between a civil war, and your regular murderer, don't you? It was pretty obvious that we were talking about gun ownership in USA, not about gun ownership in Rwanda. Why do you continue bringing completely irrelevant points?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #100 January 2, 2010 Quote I didn't make that assumption. Nice try. Sure, you made another assumption instead. Quote I have - you haven't. Yeah, exactly like Ron - "I said something, and it is considered proof. You said something - unless you provide a bunch of evidence, there is no way I gonna believe in it". Been there, seen that. Quote Which is EXACTLY what you have done both in this thread and the other gun thread. Ron, myself and others HAVE provided info - you're provided Yuri Orloff fantasies and surmises. Exactly. The problem was that I asked for proof - references, facts, evidence - and you just provided "info". I'm not interested in info, I can go to nralia and read it myself.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
