billvon 3,173 #26 April 23, 2010 >So exactly which organization or political person/entity orchestrated this in >your opinion? I blame either Al Gore or Obama, whichever one is closest at the time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #27 April 23, 2010 Maybe there was subliminal seal messaging in Gore's movie........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #28 April 23, 2010 QuoteIf he did it then he deserve to be punished for being caught doing it. That's an interesting way to phrase the concept.... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #29 April 23, 2010 Quote Quote If he did it then he deserve to be punished for being caught doing it. That's an interesting way to phrase the concept.... it's not illegal if you don't get caught Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #30 April 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteIn your simplistic explination, yes, I agree but in some cases the process is abused to make political points I believe this is one of those cases So exactly which organization or political person/entity orchestrated this in your opinion? Who was it that told the detainee to complain, then told the superior to give them what amounts to a written warning, and then convinced the SEALS to ask to be courts martial? That's a lot of strings and the cooperation of people exactly opposed to the political agenda of whatever group or person orchestrated this. Any publicity that came from this is due to the fact the SEALS asked to be courts martial. If they had not taken that action, there would have been absolutely no media attention to this situation. Hence, if in this case the process is being abused to make political points, it can only have come from the right wing. As per reports posted on this site before the Taliban are trained to complain of abuse. They know they get great air time on the US state run media if it get escalated as this one has. And this was happening at a time when the war cry's were at their worst (even though we hear little now when Obama has escalated war efforts) So, right wing, left wing, don’t matter. It is politics. CYA at it best And those who are serving with honor (in this case) are the casualties of the politicians covering their own asses first The charges (for what happened in this case) should have never been leveled"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #31 April 23, 2010 QuoteSo, right wing, left wing, don’t matter. It is politics. CYA at it best And those who are serving with honor (in this case) are the casualties of the politicians covering their own asses first CYA isn't specific to politics, it is every day life and certainly very pervasive in business and military life as well. QuoteThe charges (for what happened in this case) should have never been leveled Who asked for the charges? (And since one has now been acquitted, doesn't that mean the system works perfectly?) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 April 23, 2010 Quote Quote So, right wing, left wing, don’t matter. It is politics. CYA at it best And those who are serving with honor (in this case) are the casualties of the politicians covering their own asses first CYA isn't specific to politics, it is every day life and certainly very pervasive in business and military life as well. Quote The charges (for what happened in this case) should have never been leveled Who asked for the charges? (And since one has now been acquitted, doesn't that mean the system works perfectly?) You tell me And yes It worked but look at what was wasted and lost"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #33 April 23, 2010 So you don't know, but you do know for sure that it is all political and there is some sinister plot behind this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #34 April 23, 2010 Quote >So exactly which organization or political person/entity orchestrated this in >your opinion? I blame either Al Gore or Obama, whichever one is closest at the time. Don't forget Clinton got a blow jobWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #35 April 23, 2010 Quote Quote If he did it then he deserve to be punished for being caught doing it. That's an interesting way to phrase the concept.... Intentional When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #36 April 23, 2010 QuoteSo you don't know, but you do know for sure that it is all political and there is some sinister plot behind this? All I have indicated it is a shame it has happened. Your post earlier indicated a pure process. I pointed out it is not What you infer from that is yours alone Again This whole thing is a miscarriage of the judicial process. You find your own villian"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 April 23, 2010 2 for 2 http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04/23/clears-nd-navy-seal-iraqi-abuse-case/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #38 April 29, 2010 People are often saying that us Europeans are out of setp with the Americans. However when it comes to the issue of the SEALS Europe has totally shown its support for them. www.protectseals.eu SeeWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #39 May 6, 2010 3 for 3 All innocent"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gawain 0 #40 May 6, 2010 Quote 3 for 3 All innocent THANK GOD! ...and thank you Navy SEALS!So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright 'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life Make light! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 May 6, 2010 Quote Quote 3 for 3 All innocent THANK GOD! ...and thank you Navy SEALS! \\ Yes Never should have gone this far Going after a seal for punching someone??? WTF They do worse in bars A sad chapter closed"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #42 May 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quote 3 for 3 All innocent THANK GOD! ...and thank you Navy SEALS! \\ Yes Never should have gone this far Going after a seal for punching someone??? WTF They do worse in bars A sad chapter closed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.... + 1 Murtha is rolling in his grave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #43 May 7, 2010 I'm just waiting for Lucky to come in here and start trolling some about what a wrong thging it is that they do anyway and that they deserve to be jailed or worse.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #44 May 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quote 3 for 3 All innocent THANK GOD! ...and thank you Navy SEALS! \\ Yes Never should have gone this far Going after a seal for punching someone??? WTF They do worse in bars A sad chapter closed No, we can't just brush shit under the carpet or else it will still smell. The truth came out and goodness prevailed."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #45 May 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote 3 for 3 All innocent THANK GOD! ...and thank you Navy SEALS! \\ Yes Never should have gone this far Going after a seal for punching someone??? WTF They do worse in bars A sad chapter closed No, we can't just brush shit under the carpet or else it will still smell. The truth came out and goodness prevailed. Well saidWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #46 May 7, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote 3 for 3 All innocent THANK GOD! ...and thank you Navy SEALS! \\ Yes Never should have gone this far Going after a seal for punching someone??? WTF They do worse in bars A sad chapter closed No, we can't just brush shit under the carpet or else it will still smell. The truth came out and goodness prevailed. Well said I think the shit being swept under the carpet are the reasons they were prosecuted to begin with Two trials take one day One takes less than two They are trained to injure themselves and then claim rights violations so this kind of shit happens If he had real injuries then maybe this should have been looked at Here he had a bloody lip. Supposedly gotten when he was taken into custody in some kind of covert operation Passes the sniff test for you I guess Not mine however In any event glad it is over"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites