Overhead at the Post Office

[kelpdiver 2]

In a followup to Bill's toll road anecdote, I had this (not) lovely experience at the post office today.

Small queue when I get in (4 people), two workers handling. Typical to this part of SF, both as Asian, probably Chinese. An old man is berating one of them for wasting his time. He wanted a size 1 (small) post office box and they did not have any. He felt that this should have been posted on the wall somewhere. He then refused to move for the next 10 minutes (time no longer important) to file an official complaint and frequently spoke to those of us in line about how it was the PO's fault we had to wait, and it was important for Americans to stand up for their rights. He was really angling for the PO to give him a larger mail box at the small box rate.

then of course came the obligatory reference to Obamacare, several actually. Which is retarded, of course. The same outcome would have come about last December under Bush. And few businesses are any more interested in running an [indefinite] monthly service at a loss.

There are no rights as Americans to getting great customer service. Or to never having to wait in line and always getting what you want. Threats to contacting Barbara Boxer (hahahaha) don't change this reality.

Where it was uglier was when the racist rants came in. The teller claimed to be 3 days into the job (which could be BS), but he then replied to her about how he's been an American all his life, not just for 3 days....and blah blah blah.

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And there's often the quandry when you agree with the Right. Sometimes they're right for the wrong reasons. True of the hippie Left as well, but they're less likely to be racist idiots.

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The teller claimed to be 3 days into the job (which could be BS)

The Post Office does a fair amount of temp hiring every year in December to handle the holiday volume. Although I have heard that the volume is so low this year, it matches ordinary volumes of previous years. I guess people have cut down on cards this year.

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then of course came the obligatory reference to Obamacare, several actually.

In the wake of the "nutter with a gun" incident at the post office recently, I wonder how the government is going to respond to people that start complaining about politics at the Post Office.

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In a followup to Bill's toll road anecdote, I had this (not) lovely experience at the post office today.

Small queue when I get in (4 people), two workers handling. Typical to this part of SF, both as Asian, probably Chinese. An old man is berating one of them for wasting his time. He wanted a size 1 (small) post office box and they did not have any. He felt that this should have been posted on the wall somewhere. He then refused to move for the next 10 minutes (time no longer important) to file an official complaint and frequently spoke to those of us in line about how it was the PO's fault we had to wait, and it was important for Americans to stand up for their rights. He was really angling for the PO to give him a larger mail box at the small box rate.

then of course came the obligatory reference to Obamacare, several actually. Which is retarded, of course. The same outcome would have come about last December under Bush. And few businesses are any more interested in running an [indefinite] monthly service at a loss.

There are no rights as Americans to getting great customer service. Or to never having to wait in line and always getting what you want. Threats to contacting Barbara Boxer (hahahaha) don't change this reality.

Where it was uglier was when the racist rants came in. The teller claimed to be 3 days into the job (which could be BS), but he then replied to her about how he's been an American all his life, not just for 3 days....and blah blah blah.

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And there's often the quandry when you agree with the Right. Sometimes they're right for the wrong reasons. True of the hippie Left as well, but they're less likely to be racist idiots.

This illustrates your total lack of understanding of data-type references. We used The post office and toll roads general operating protocol over the years with millions of transactions to illustrate how things work and how things work in common with each other as a way to determine how public HC would work cheaper and more efficent than corporate-controlled HC.

The USPS is to mail delivery, as the public option is to HC.

Using millions of random mail deliveries IS statistically significant, as is using millions of UPS / FE EX deliveries. Using 1 non-random pissed off customer is both:

1) Non-random

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2) The smallest sample size

Your example is relegated to a meanIngless rant, both with the Asian and with you in here. It is called, "STATISTICALLY INSIGNIFICANT."

Just because you had your ass handed to you when I illustrated that you and I agree that the USPS offers more flexibility and affordability than private options, just as the public option would have, and you can't address it - you start a new thread instead of addressing it. Why would I expect less?

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The teller claimed to be 3 days into the job (which could be BS)

The Post Office does a fair amount of temp hiring every year in December to handle the holiday volume. Although I have heard that the volume is so low this year, it matches ordinary volumes of previous years. I guess people have cut down on cards this year.

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then of course came the obligatory reference to Obamacare, several actually.

In the wake of the "nutter with a gun" incident at the post office recently, I wonder how the government is going to respond to people that start complaining about politics at the Post Office.

Don't get distracted by Kelp's misdirection; he's unable to debunk other analagous correlations so he came here so he wouldn't have to post there anymore.

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The USPS is to mail delivery, as the public option is to HC.

And the USPS is in ruin, drowning in debt, and virtually a monopoly, since specific services cannot compete in segments of the business.

Thank you for reinforcing my argument.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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The USPS is to mail delivery, as the public option is to HC.

And the USPS is in ruin, drowning in debt, and virtually a monopoly, since specific services cannot compete in segments of the business.

Thank you for reinforcing my argument.

UPS didn't lose >2B in the 4th Q of 2007? That's just 1 piece of data.

Virtually every business has gone into the red during this Great Republican Recession, so your point again was what? Oh, the fact that the Republican color is red; how fitting.

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The USPS is to mail delivery, as the public option is to HC.

And the USPS is in ruin, drowning in debt, and virtually a monopoly, since specific services cannot compete in segments of the business.

Thank you for reinforcing my argument.

UPS didn't lose >2B in the 4th Q of 2007? That's just 1 piece of data.

Virtually every business has gone into the red during this Great Republican Recession, so your point again was what? Oh, the fact that the Republican color is red; how fitting.

Well, I'll simply provide this link to the TTM performance of UPS and you tell me where they're in the red:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=UPS

Oh, and what's this, UPS's FY3Q09 results:
http://investor.shareholder.com/ups/news/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=417340

Not seeing any red there either.

Sucks to see private sector innovation stay afloat despite the downturn. Revenues are down, but still positive. Maybe it's all through attrition, the government will never do that. N-e-v-e-r.

Now, you go do your research on the Onion and wiki and let me know what fantasies you find. Don't talk to strangers on your way to the VA either.

Edit to add: Sorry, you said 2007. Let's look at the annuals here: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=UPS&annual

Yeah, not seeing the red there either...strange. Where's your one piece of data from?

Edited again: Here's the FY4Q07 statement...seems the loss stemmed from a $6.1B buyout of a union pension plan. http://investor.shareholder.com/ups/news/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=290743

Other than that, revenues were up, volume was up...and results for the year were still profitable.

I'm sorry...where's that one piece of data again...??

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Well, I'll simply provide this link to the TTM performance of UPS and you tell me where they're in the red:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=UPS

OK, recent data, not 2007 as I posted.

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Oh, and what's this, UPS's FY3Q09 results:
http://investor.shareholder.com/...cfm?ReleaseID=417340

And look at 3rd Q 2009: 929M
3rd Q 2008: 1.63B

So their profits are down. Furthermore, I posted 3rd Q 2007 losses.

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Not seeing any red there either.

Nope, wonder if the stimilus helped. Or is your argument that charging 10-15 dollars per letter yields a profit? That's a good argument, just as with HC, if you can afford it, it's nice. If not, too fucking bad. So if a system is in place to charge 44 cents a letter, but they lose money, but it makes it affordable to all people, that is a bad thing according to you. I get ya. It's about money baby; FUCK PEOPLE.

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Sucks to see private sector innovation stay afloat despite the downturn.

Innovation to = 10-15 dollars per letter. Yea, it's called gouging and exclusiveness.

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Revenues are down, but still positive. Maybe it's all through attrition, the government will never do that. N-e-v-e-r.

No, the gov will ensure all people can still mail a letter for 44 cents even tho elitist influence wants them to make it 10-15 dollars. See where I say it's not the government that's the pig here, it's the corporations? Now the gov sucks for not controlling the corps.

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Yeah, not seeing the red there either...strange. Where's your one piece of data from?

As for profit/loss, looks like UPS stocks were down low earlier this year from your party's Great Recession. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=UPS#chart1:symbol=ups;range=2y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined

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DHL is taking a shit, may merge with UPS if they haven't already - cutting jobs for sure. DHL is considerably cutting operations: http://247wallst.com/2008/11/10/ups-fedex-losin/

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UPS lost: The company reported a net loss of $2.576 billion ... in the 4th Q of 2007, even tho the connies tell us the recession wasn't until mid-2008. http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/TOP%20STORY/2155255/

In the fourth quarter of 2007, the world's largest shipping carrier slipped to a loss as it recorded a $6.1 billion charge to shift 45,000 of its employees from one pension plan to another. The company reported a net loss of $2.576 billion ...

On October 23, 2008, UPS reported nearly a 10% decline in third-quarter profit, despite a 7% increase in revenues, hurt by expenses that rose over 9%.


So they lost in the 4th Q of 2007, just when the Great Republican Recession kicked off. That is what I stated, they were a company based upon profiting by charging $10+ per letter, now they had losses as did everyone else. So you can continue to advocate for elitist governemnt by having the same turn everything over to the greedy private sector and I'll continue to advocate for the people.

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And then there's this:

Like UPS, FedEx Corp. (FDX | Quote | Chart | News | PowerRating), another packaging giant, also is hurt by the recession. FedEx announced in December 2008 a marginal rise in its second-quarter profit, and stated that it is experiencing the worst economic conditions in its 35-year operating history. While net income rose 3%, revenue edged up 1% from the year-ago period.

Warning that it is seeing increasing weakness from the deepening global economic problems, FedEx announced additional cost-cutting measures, including a 20% reduction in the salary of the company's Chief Executive Officer and a base 5%-10% base salary reductions for U.S. FedEx employees. FedEx also decided not to advertise in the Super Bowl for the first time in 12 years.



So yea, the USPS is doing poorly, like everyone else. I guess your answer is to raise postage to $5 a letter so we can b e more fascist American, right? Or keep offerring svs that reach to all, regardless of status. Real humans, those Republicans.

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Boy, did you miss the point (again). This had nothing to do with the USPS or HC. This was about the clueless on the Right, a subject you should have been happy to engage in. But you proved once again you're the left wing equivalent.

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Boy, did you miss the point (again). This had nothing to do with the USPS or HC. This was about the clueless on the Right, a subject you should have been happy to engage in. But you proved once again you're the left wing equivalent.

NICE PA. YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO CALL PEOPLE CLUELESS.

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Boy, did you miss the point (again). This had nothing to do with the USPS or HC. This was about the clueless on the Right, a subject you should have been happy to engage in. But you proved once again you're the left wing equivalent.

NICE PA. YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO CALL PEOPLE CLUELESS.

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Well, I'll simply provide this link to the TTM performance of UPS and you tell me where they're in the red:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=UPS

OK, recent data, not 2007 as I posted.

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Oh, and what's this, UPS's FY3Q09 results:
http://investor.shareholder.com/...cfm?ReleaseID=417340

And look at 3rd Q 2009: 929M
3rd Q 2008: 1.63B

So their profits are down. Furthermore, I posted 3rd Q 2007 losses.

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Not seeing any red there either.

Nope, wonder if the stimilus helped. Or is your argument that charging 10-15 dollars per letter yields a profit? That's a good argument, just as with HC, if you can afford it, it's nice. If not, too fucking bad. So if a system is in place to charge 44 cents a letter, but they lose money, but it makes it affordable to all people, that is a bad thing according to you. I get ya. It's about money baby; FUCK PEOPLE.

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Sucks to see private sector innovation stay afloat despite the downturn.

Innovation to = 10-15 dollars per letter. Yea, it's called gouging and exclusiveness.

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Revenues are down, but still positive. Maybe it's all through attrition, the government will never do that. N-e-v-e-r.

No, the gov will ensure all people can still mail a letter for 44 cents even tho elitist influence wants them to make it 10-15 dollars. See where I say it's not the government that's the pig here, it's the corporations? Now the gov sucks for not controlling the corps.

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Yeah, not seeing the red there either...strange. Where's your one piece of data from?

As for profit/loss, looks like UPS stocks were down low earlier this year from your party's Great Recession. http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=UPS#chart1:symbol=ups;range=2y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined

AND>>>>>>>>>>>>>

DHL is taking a shit, may merge with UPS if they haven't already - cutting jobs for sure. DHL is considerably cutting operations: http://247wallst.com/2008/11/10/ups-fedex-losin/

AND>>>>>>>>>>>>

UPS lost: The company reported a net loss of $2.576 billion ... in the 4th Q of 2007, even tho the connies tell us the recession wasn't until mid-2008. http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/TOP%20STORY/2155255/

In the fourth quarter of 2007, the world's largest shipping carrier slipped to a loss as it recorded a $6.1 billion charge to shift 45,000 of its employees from one pension plan to another. The company reported a net loss of $2.576 billion ...

On October 23, 2008, UPS reported nearly a 10% decline in third-quarter profit, despite a 7% increase in revenues, hurt by expenses that rose over 9%.


So they lost in the 4th Q of 2007, just when the Great Republican Recession kicked off. That is what I stated, they were a company based upon profiting by charging $10+ per letter, now they had losses as did everyone else. So you can continue to advocate for elitist governemnt by having the same turn everything over to the greedy private sector and I'll continue to advocate for the people.

And they still finished 2007 in the black. A one time charge does not a business or market condition create. Fulfilling a bargaining agreement has little, actually nothing to do with the market conditions, and you somehow link that to a "republican recession"...absolutely obtuse.

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During the quarter, the company announced the ratification of a new five-year agreement with the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, eight months before expiration of the existing contract. As a result, $6.1 billion was paid to withdraw approximately 45,000 UPS employees from the Central States multi-employer pension plan and expensed to the U.S. Package segment in the quarter.

Plus, you still don't have the actual reported loss correct. If you look at their financial statement you'll see their net loss for the quarter was $4.25B.

Go check the onion or wiki....they wouldn't lie to you. Or, you could just go to their investor relations page. UPS has one of the better ones out there. If you can't get your head around that, then you should check and see if the VA can provide a benefit to you....

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!