rehmwa 2 #101 December 30, 2009 Quotenot sure how serious this reply was see, that's just intolerable to me..... I'll continue to try harder ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #102 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote Bill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. "You should exercise and eat right" is as much "diet advice" as "you should stop on red light" is legal advice. Nobody needs any Bill Phillips to tell them they need to exercise and eat right, everyone knows that already. The advice is details - how much exercise? What to eat, how much, when, and how often? This is the kind of advice I'd expect from a professional. Are you saying he is NOT a HC professional? But - but - but Kallend said he was? . Your reading comprehension is as bad as your math.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #103 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Bill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. "You should exercise and eat right" is as much "diet advice" as "you should stop on red light" is legal advice. Nobody needs any Bill Phillips to tell them they need to exercise and eat right, everyone knows that already. The advice is details - how much exercise? What to eat, how much, when, and how often? This is the kind of advice I'd expect from a professional. Are you saying he is NOT a HC professional? But - but - but Kallend said he was? . Your reading comprehension is as bad as your math. QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteExercise/diet ADVICE != Health care. That statement is false. So, Bill Phillips is now a doctor, instead of a ex-bodybuilder and supplement company president? That's certainly good info to know. MDs are not the only health care professionals. Try another silly argument. From this statement it seems that you are alluding to BP having other training making him a HC pro, does it not? At least, it seems, you are defending him.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #104 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Bill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. "You should exercise and eat right" is as much "diet advice" as "you should stop on red light" is legal advice. Nobody needs any Bill Phillips to tell them they need to exercise and eat right, everyone knows that already. The advice is details - how much exercise? What to eat, how much, when, and how often? This is the kind of advice I'd expect from a professional. Are you saying he is NOT a HC professional? But - but - but Kallend said he was? . Your reading comprehension is as bad as your math. QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteExercise/diet ADVICE != Health care. That statement is false. So, Bill Phillips is now a doctor, instead of a ex-bodybuilder and supplement company president? That's certainly good info to know. MDs are not the only health care professionals. Try another silly argument. From this statement it seems that you are alluding to BP having other training making him a HC pro, does it not? At least, it seems, you are defending him. No, I was commenting on Mike's total lack of comprehension of the concept of health care.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #105 December 30, 2009 Quote Provide some proof please, that this "doing things to themselves" applies exclusively to Americans and not to Europeans. The higher obesity rates, fast food consumption, and hours worked per year are a matter of record. Same for mileage driven in cars. A requirement for exclusivity of a factor is a copout. It's about prevalence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #106 December 30, 2009 QuoteMakes you look pretty silly. Yes, you bringing up your 'comparison' red herring all the time DOES make you look silly. Of course, it's all you've got since I showed the proof that lifestyle choices *were*, in fact, a major factor in longevity, so I can't blame you TOO much. But, just so you'll finally quit whining about it: From Rutgers: QuoteWalking and bicycling are far more common in Europe than in North America and Australia.1 The use of public transit, which normally requires walking or cycling to reach the transit stop,2,3 is also more common in Europe. Travel-related walking, bicycling, and use of public transit are collectively referred to as active transportation. QuoteSome researchers have suggested that the physical activity generated by active transportation is helpful in weight control.5,6 Walking and bicycle commuting usually fall into the moderate-intensity range, and if performed regularly, can result in substantial amounts of energy expenditure.7 In addition, the use of public transit (trains, subways, and buses) usually involves walking or cycling to and from transit stops and, hence, would also be expected to promote weight control, as well as a host of other physical and mental health benefits.8,9 QuoteThe lowest rate of active transportation was seen in the United States (only 8% of trips by walking + cycling + public transit), whereas the highest rate was seen in Latvia (67% of trips by walking + cycling + public transit). The main characteristics of the national travel surveys are shown in Table 1. The obesity rates in different countries, based on self-reported height and weight, are shown in Table 2. These national health interview surveys tended to yield lower obesity prevalence values than those based on clinical measures. Based on these self-report data, the lowest rates of obesity were seen in Switzerland (8%), the Netherlands (8.1%), and Sweden (9.4%). The United States (23.9%) had the highest rate of obesity using self-report data. The Pearson correlation coefficient between active transportation and obesity rates (based on self-report data) was r = –.86 (P < .001).Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #107 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteMakes you look pretty silly. Yes, you bringing up your 'comparison' red herring all the time DOES make you look silly. Of course, it's all you've got since I showed the proof that lifestyle choices *were*, in fact, a major factor in longevity, so I can't blame you TOO much. But, just so you'll finally quit whining about it: From Rutgers: QuoteWalking and bicycling are far more common in Europe than in North America and Australia.1 The use of public transit, which normally requires walking or cycling to reach the transit stop,2,3 is also more common in Europe. Travel-related walking, bicycling, and use of public transit are collectively referred to as active transportation. QuoteSome researchers have suggested that the physical activity generated by active transportation is helpful in weight control.5,6 Walking and bicycle commuting usually fall into the moderate-intensity range, and if performed regularly, can result in substantial amounts of energy expenditure.7 In addition, the use of public transit (trains, subways, and buses) usually involves walking or cycling to and from transit stops and, hence, would also be expected to promote weight control, as well as a host of other physical and mental health benefits.8,9 ***The lowest rate of active transportation was seen in the United States (only 8% of trips by walking + cycling + public transit), whereas the highest rate was seen in Latvia (67% of trips by walking + cycling + public transit). Must be why Latvia has a life expectancy so much higher than the USA. Oh, wait... So much for that theory.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #108 December 30, 2009 Best get that red herring back into the water, perfesser...it's stinking up the place worse and worse the more you wave it around.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #109 December 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteMakes you look pretty silly. Yes, you bringing up your 'comparison' red herring all the time DOES make you look silly. Of course, it's all you've got since I showed the proof that lifestyle choices *were*, in fact, a major factor in longevity, so I can't blame you TOO much. But, just so you'll finally quit whining about it: From Rutgers: QuoteWalking and bicycling are far more common in Europe than in North America and Australia.1 The use of public transit, which normally requires walking or cycling to reach the transit stop,2,3 is also more common in Europe. Travel-related walking, bicycling, and use of public transit are collectively referred to as active transportation. QuoteSome researchers have suggested that the physical activity generated by active transportation is helpful in weight control.5,6 Walking and bicycle commuting usually fall into the moderate-intensity range, and if performed regularly, can result in substantial amounts of energy expenditure.7 In addition, the use of public transit (trains, subways, and buses) usually involves walking or cycling to and from transit stops and, hence, would also be expected to promote weight control, as well as a host of other physical and mental health benefits.8,9 QuoteThe lowest rate of active transportation was seen in the United States (only 8% of trips by walking + cycling + public transit), whereas the highest rate was seen in Latvia (67% of trips by walking + cycling + public transit). The main characteristics of the national travel surveys are shown in Table 1. The obesity rates in different countries, based on self-reported height and weight, are shown in Table 2. These national health interview surveys tended to yield lower obesity prevalence values than those based on clinical measures. Based on these self-report data, the lowest rates of obesity were seen in Switzerland (8%), the Netherlands (8.1%), and Sweden (9.4%). The United States (23.9%) had the highest rate of obesity using self-report data. The Pearson correlation coefficient between active transportation and obesity rates (based on self-report data) was r = –.86 (P < .001). How do European countries compare to the U.S. w/r/t to gym membership and use per capita? Singling out a couple forms of exercise is pretty misleading.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #110 December 31, 2009 Quote How do European countries compare to the U.S. w/r/t to gym membership and use per capita? Singling out a couple forms of exercise is pretty misleading. Gym membership (or equipment ownership) doesn't contribute to health. It wouldn't surprise me to hear Americans lead on both. Actual use, otoh...hell, I can only ride one of my 4 bikes at a time. But as most weekend warriors discover, daily activity is worth a lot more than weekly activity, even if more intense. But playing NBA 2009 on a PS3 doesn't count. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #111 December 31, 2009 QuoteGym membership (or equipment ownership) doesn't contribute to health. If you read my post carefully, you'll see that I referred to gym membership and use.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #112 December 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteGym membership (or equipment ownership) doesn't contribute to health. If you read my post carefully, you'll see that I referred to gym membership and use. Can you show us some stats?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #113 December 31, 2009 QuoteCan you show us some stats? Dude, I asked about stats. I made no assertions.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #114 December 31, 2009 QuoteNope, the book you have to buy, and the visit to dietologist is covered by insurance :P The problem is that many people do think that way."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #115 December 31, 2009 QuoteBest get that red herring back into the water, perfesser...it's stinking up the place worse and worse the more you wave it around. Can't answer the question, can you? By the way, in your enthusiasm for the effects of lifestyle on longevity, why didn't you include SMOKING, alcohol consumption, road traffic fatalites and gun ownership instead of just cherry picking exercise and diet? Trying to conceal something from us?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #116 December 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteBest get that red herring back into the water, perfesser...it's stinking up the place worse and worse the more you wave it around. Can't answer the question, can you? By the way, in your enthusiasm for the effects of lifestyle on longevity, why didn't you include SMOKING, alcohol consumption, road traffic fatalites and gun ownership instead of just cherry picking exercise and diet? Trying to conceal something from us? Because I didn't give a list of EVERY SINGLE lifestyle choice, I'm somehow 'concealing something'? You're sounding more and more desperate.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #117 December 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteBest get that red herring back into the water, perfesser...it's stinking up the place worse and worse the more you wave it around. Can't answer the question, can you? By the way, in your enthusiasm for the effects of lifestyle on longevity, why didn't you include SMOKING, alcohol consumption, road traffic fatalites and gun ownership instead of just cherry picking exercise and diet? Trying to conceal something from us? Because I didn't give a list of EVERY SINGLE lifestyle choice, I'm somehow 'concealing something'? You're sounding more and more desperate. Since you once again appear to be claiming that lifestyle is responsible for variations in longevity between nations, you should consider all lifestyle variables and not cherry pick. Ignoring SMOKING, for example, simply invalidates any conclusion you try to draw.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #118 December 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteBecause I didn't give a list of EVERY SINGLE lifestyle choice, I'm somehow 'concealing something'? You're sounding more and more desperate. Since you once again appear to be claiming that lifestyle is responsible for variations in longevity between nations, you should consider all lifestyle variables and not cherry pick. Ignoring SMOKING, for example, simply invalidates any conclusion you try to draw. Then feel free to provide the stats, perfesser 'noncompliance with ADVICE is the fault of the medical system'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #119 December 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteBecause I didn't give a list of EVERY SINGLE lifestyle choice, I'm somehow 'concealing something'? You're sounding more and more desperate. Since you once again appear to be claiming that lifestyle is responsible for variations in longevity between nations, you should consider all lifestyle variables and not cherry pick. Ignoring SMOKING, for example, simply invalidates any conclusion you try to draw. Then feel free to provide the stats, perfesser 'noncompliance with ADVICE is the fault of the medical system'. YOU made the assertion, YOU back it up.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #120 December 31, 2009 QuoteYOU made the assertion, YOU back it up. I did. Feel free, however, to prove your OWN point.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #121 December 31, 2009 QuoteQuoteYOU made the assertion, YOU back it up. I did. Feel free, however, to prove your OWN point. I have. My point is that you haven't proved your assertion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #122 December 31, 2009 QuoteIt's a good thing you haven't changed, Mike. QuoteNational Center for Policy Analysis; a self-proclaimed non-partisan rag, where they denounce the inheritance tax and other non-partisan goodies like that. What a crock. QuoteIf you can't understand that posting extremist rags is BS, you never will. Try posting truely objective data. QuoteNot to mention his source is as credible as the Heritage Foundation rag. Mike is notorious for that. QuoteI'm not necc saying it's bad data, just don't feed us data from BS sources. QuoteI've never commented upon the accuracy of it, just the source is something that Hannity would cite, which makes it a joke from its inception. QuoteAgain, it's a RW rag, it's meaningless to me and all should ignore it. QuoteJust keep on trying to spoon-feed us your RW rags. QuoteI'm not attacking the source, I'm just saying it's typical Mike to give us a RW rag site. QuoteNot to mention the source is EXTREMELY biased RW. This is classic Mike. So... giving you the benefit of the doubt, if there's any left, and assuming you may want to have a discussion about sourcing... this string of posts made me think of something. People often talk about left-wing, right-wing, or centrist ideas. The problem being that things are relative, and so to automatically refer to something opposed to an arguably right-wing idea as centrist or to refer to something opposed to an arguably left-wing idea as right-wing is to be disingenuous. You can try to create the image of an "average person" or "average country from some subset of countries", but average doesn't necessarily mean centrist. And if you're trying to argue that the views you hold are closer to centrist, and that makes them somehow more normatively palatable, then that's important to understand. In short, it's entirely possible to be in a very large group of people, standing far out on one of the wings, and to all be in agreement about doing something that's incredibly stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #123 December 31, 2009 >In short, it's entirely possible to be in a very large group of people, standing >far out on one of the wings, and to all be in agreement about doing something >that's incredibly stupid. Absolutely. In addition, some centrist ideas are compromises that are _worse_ than either extreme. For example, if the republicans want a big, well built nuclear waste storage facility, and the democrats don't want any at all, then a centrist compromise might be a small, poorly constructed nuclear waste storage facility - and that's worse than both extremes. However, here in the US, it has become pretty fashionable to portray any such 'centrist' decision as the ideal. Indeed, parties no longer object to such an idea because it is a poor blend of the two extremes - they object to it because it's too "socialist" or whatever (i.e. NOT centrist.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #124 December 31, 2009 Agreed... ...except that not everything democrats want is left-wing, not everything republicans want is right-wing, and compromises involving the "worst of both worlds" probably deserve their own moniker apart from "centrist." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #125 January 1, 2010 QuoteThe problem is that many people do think that way. So what? They are paying some nice premiums to have this coverage, why not use it?* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
