jcd11235 0 #76 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteExercise/diet ADVICE != Health care. That statement is false. So, Bill Phillips is now a doctor, instead of a ex-bodybuilder and supplement company president? That's certainly good info to know. Unless Bill Phillips successfully completed medical school and other requirements to practice medicine, he is not a (medical) doctor. Health care encompasses far more than treatment from physicians. For example, a parent cleaning and putting a bandage on their kid's scraped knee is providing health care to their kid.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #77 December 29, 2009 QuoteFor example, a parent cleaning and putting a bandage on their kid's scraped knee is providing health care to their kid. great, so the government will now pay me to do that? And then we'll get taxed on it after? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #78 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteFor example, a parent cleaning and putting a bandage on their kid's scraped knee is providing health care to their kid. great, so the government will now pay me to do that? And then we'll get taxed on it after? Probably. I guess telling the driver of the car you're in to 'slow down or you'll get a ticket' is considered law enforcement, too.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #79 December 29, 2009 Quotegreat, so the government will now pay me to do that? And then we'll get taxed on it after? There's nothing like someone feigning complete ignorance on a topic with their post.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #80 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuotegreat, so the government will now pay me to do that? And then we'll get taxed on it after? There's nothing like someone feigning complete ignorance on a topic with their post. But we have you and kallend setting such GREAT examples for us.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #81 December 29, 2009 Quote Oh I don't know.... a yearly physical.. with the appropriate blood work.. can tell you just how lousy your health really is. Currently I have low iron... low vitamin D ( friggin weather around here I need to get outside more) and my freaking cholesterol.. the bad kind is WAY too freaking high( not enough salmon fishing the last couple years to offset the bad C with the good cholesterol I USED to have) I am mitigating those problems before they freaking kill me. The real point of this (and related) meandering threads is that Americans for the most part know they're doing bad things to themselves, particularly on the eating side, and refuse to change. The consequences, as shown in metrics that compare badly to Europe, will not change in the slightest with this reorganization of health care. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #82 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuote Oh I don't know.... a yearly physical.. with the appropriate blood work.. can tell you just how lousy your health really is. Currently I have low iron... low vitamin D ( friggin weather around here I need to get outside more) and my freaking cholesterol.. the bad kind is WAY too freaking high( not enough salmon fishing the last couple years to offset the bad C with the good cholesterol I USED to have) I am mitigating those problems before they freaking kill me. The real point of this (and related) meandering threads is that Americans for the most part know they're doing bad things to themselves, particularly on the eating side, and refuse to change. The consequences, as shown in metrics that compare badly to Europe, will not change in the slightest with this reorganization of health care. I'm glad that SOMEbody gets it, besides me.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #83 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuotegreat, so the government will now pay me to do that? And then we'll get taxed on it after? There's nothing like someone feigning complete ignorance on a topic with their post. there's nothing like a few posters that take themselves so seriously that they are complete buzz kills all the time every day ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #84 December 29, 2009 QuoteThe consequences, as shown in metrics that compare badly to Europe. I'm intrigued - so you are suggesting that we all: 1 -start eating a lot of food crammed with butter 2 - get self superior and irritable and judgmental on everything 3 - stop shaving anything or brush our teeth 4 - and start smoking so much we smell like ashtrays from over a mile away all for our health I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #85 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. Plenty of lame going around...but it all seems to be coming from the Great Lakes. You enjoy making yourself look foolish, don't you? *golf clap* Great rebuttal, perfesser. Bravo!! Yep, it was actually more than your post deserved, but I was feeling generous. Being even more generous, Here's a list of health care professional societies. You will notice, of course, that they aren't all catering to MDs. QuoteeHealth Initiative (eHI) [internet, information technology] eHealth Institute [internet; information technology] EHR Collaborative [electronic health record standards, information systems, medical records] Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) Electronic Healthcare Network Accreditation Commission (EHNAC) Emergency Department Practice Management Association (EDPMA) Emergency Nurses Association Employee Benefit Research Institute (EBRI) Employers' Managed Health Care Association (MHCA) [managed care] European Healthcare Management Association Eye Bank Association of America (EBAA) [transplants] Nope - No Ex-Bodybuilder listed there - perhaps you could supply us with your mans official healthcare professional credentials or accreditations.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #86 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteThe consequences, as shown in metrics that compare badly to Europe. I'm intrigued - so you are suggesting that we all: 1 -start eating a lot of food crammed with butter 2 - get self superior and irritable and judgmental on everything 3 - stop shaving anything or brush our teeth 4 - and start smoking so much we smell like ashtrays from over a mile away all for our health I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter not sure how serious this reply was. Also, you left out drinking obscene amounts of alcohol. Every Eastern European country I went to included remarkably high per capita rates. But the key elements you're missing: 1) old country is built around a pre car society. 2) people walk a lot more 3) exercise a lot more 4) work fewer hours, take longer vacations. The food can be very fatty, however they appear to commit their vices (aside from global war) in much greater moderation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #87 December 30, 2009 Quote. For example, a parent cleaning and putting a bandage on their kid's scraped knee is providing health care to their kid. Such conduct should be discouraged, unless monitored to ensure that the treatments comply with the Best Practices standards. At a minimum, all parents must pass at least 200 hours of courses on sterile technique, basic first aid, and team-building exercises (it really does take a village). ACORN is getting those contracts. Such self-help also leads to things like home schooling, which is intolerable. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #88 December 30, 2009 Quote Bill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. "You should exercise and eat right" is as much "diet advice" as "you should stop on red light" is legal advice. Nobody needs any Bill Phillips to tell them they need to exercise and eat right, everyone knows that already. The advice is details - how much exercise? What to eat, how much, when, and how often? This is the kind of advice I'd expect from a professional.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #89 December 30, 2009 Quote Quote Bill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. "You should exercise and eat right" is as much "diet advice" as "you should stop on red light" is legal advice. Agreed - which is why it is as STUPID to try to blame bad lifestyle choices on the medical profession as it is to blame getting a speeding ticket on the legal profession. Quote Nobody needs any Bill Phillips to tell them they need to exercise and eat right, everyone knows that already. The advice is details - how much exercise? What to eat, how much, when, and how often? This is the kind of advice I'd expect from a professional. Maybe you should read his book - he goes into that. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #90 December 30, 2009 Quote Maybe you should read his book - he goes into that. Nope, the book you have to buy, and the visit to dietologist is covered by insurance :P* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #91 December 30, 2009 Quote Quote Maybe you should read his book - he goes into that. Nope, the book you have to buy, and the visit to dietologist is covered by insurance :P I would imagine that the book costs less than the co-pay for the dietician. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #92 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuote Oh I don't know.... a yearly physical.. with the appropriate blood work.. can tell you just how lousy your health really is. Currently I have low iron... low vitamin D ( friggin weather around here I need to get outside more) and my freaking cholesterol.. the bad kind is WAY too freaking high( not enough salmon fishing the last couple years to offset the bad C with the good cholesterol I USED to have) I am mitigating those problems before they freaking kill me. The real point of this (and related) meandering threads is that Americans for the most part know they're doing bad things to themselves, particularly on the eating side, and refuse to change. The consequences, as shown in metrics that compare badly to Europe, will not change in the slightest with this reorganization of health care. Provide some proof please, that this "doing things to themselves" applies exclusively to Americans and not to Europeans. Mike has been trying for 2 weeks now and failed dismally, embarrassing himself in the process.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #93 December 30, 2009 At least YOU finally admitted that lifestyle choices ARE the main factor for longevity. Of course, you continue in your red herring about comparisons, so it's sort of a wash.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #94 December 30, 2009 Quote At least YOU finally admitted that lifestyle choices ARE the main factor for longevity. . No I did not. They a A factor, and you have managed to produce no comparison between the USA and Europe to account for differences in longevity because there is none for you to produce.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #95 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteAt least YOU finally admitted that lifestyle choices ARE the main factor for longevity. . No I did not. They a A factor, and you have managed to produce no comparison between the USA and Europe because there is none for you to produce. That's YOUR scarecrow looking for it's brain.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #96 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteAt least YOU finally admitted that lifestyle choices ARE the main factor for longevity. . No I did not. They a A factor, and you have managed to produce no comparison between the USA and Europe because there is none for you to produce. That's YOUR scarecrow looking for it's brain. You already admitted in this thread that you have no evidence that lifestyle choices account for the FACT that western Europeans and Scandinavians live longer on average than Americans. Post #58, this thread: Quote"I didn't say it WAS more of a problem in the USA"; mnealtx Yet you continue to bring up this red herring. Makes you look pretty silly.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #97 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuote Bill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. "You should exercise and eat right" is as much "diet advice" as "you should stop on red light" is legal advice. Nobody needs any Bill Phillips to tell them they need to exercise and eat right, everyone knows that already. The advice is details - how much exercise? What to eat, how much, when, and how often? This is the kind of advice I'd expect from a professional. Are you saying he is NOT a HC professional? But - but - but Kallend said he was? We are all patiently waiting for his certifications and credentials. I know Kallend will come through for us.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #98 December 30, 2009 Quote Are you saying he is NOT a HC professional? Your question is too vague. For me - no. For his fans - maybe yes (he may be also their personal Jesus as well). Whether he is qualified to give medical advice depends on what kind of education he got, besides just being a bodybuilder. Quote But - but - but Kallend said he was? No, I didn't see him saying that. What I see, however, is Mnealtx saying that USA is doing poorer in life expectations comparing to Europe because of lifestyle, and I would disagree here. While obesity indeed seem to be much less a problem in Europe, they have other factors which U.S. have on much smaller scale - smoking, alcohol consumption, worse air quality and so on.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #99 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuote. For example, a parent cleaning and putting a bandage on their kid's scraped knee is providing health care to their kid. Such conduct should be discouraged, unless monitored to ensure that the treatments comply with the Best Practices standards. At a minimum, all parents must pass at least 200 hours of courses on sterile technique, basic first aid, and team-building exercises (it really does take a village). ACORN is getting those contracts. Such self-help also leads to things like home schooling, which is intolerable. nonsense - if a person has that training, then they need to treat others that are more deserving of treatment prior to their own children. In less than 4 months, the local (gov approved) treatment panels can provide a prioritized list of local underpriveleged children that need their boo boos attended to prior to some snot nosed surburban brat who gets all sorts of benefits by just being the child of a gov trained bandaid application provider. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #100 December 30, 2009 Quote Quote Are you saying he is NOT a HC professional? Your question is too vague. For me - no. For his fans - maybe yes (he may be also their personal Jesus as well). Whether he is qualified to give medical advice depends on what kind of education he got, besides just being a bodybuilder. Quote But - but - but Kallend said he was? No, I didn't see him saying that. What I see, however, is Mnealtx saying that USA is doing poorer in life expectations comparing to Europe because of lifestyle, . Actually he attempted to claim that, then he said he didn't claim that. However, he still implicitly claimed it, and when repeatedly asked for evidence he said he hadn't claimed it, then when shown a link to his his claim he finally had to recant and admit he had no evidence, but then he went ahead and claimed it again. It's all in this thread if you scroll back through it... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
