Amazon 7 #51 December 29, 2009 Quote Quote WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Didn't quite raise that bar with this one did you? More whining..... sheesh get over it already.. the reason this is happening is the piss poor performance the rePUBIClowns elected and subjected the country to from 1994 onward to the creshendo of our collapsing economy in 2007. Now we have to put up with the collective ED that the rePUBICans are suffering from. All the fucking boo hoo threads showing just how impotent they are .... is not going to change a thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #52 December 29, 2009 Quote Quote Quote WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Didn't quite raise that bar with this one did you? More whining..... sheesh get over it already.. the reason this is happening is the piss poor performance the rePUBIClowns elected and subjected the country to from 1994 onward to the creshendo of our collapsing economy in 2007. Now we have to put up with the collective ED that the rePUBICans are suffering from. All the fucking boo hoo threads showing just how impotent they are .... is not going to change a thing. I think maybe you need to look at this coming election.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #53 December 29, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Didn't quite raise that bar with this one did you? More whining..... sheesh get over it already.. the reason this is happening is the piss poor performance the rePUBIClowns elected and subjected the country to from 1994 onward to the creshendo of our collapsing economy in 2007. Now we have to put up with the collective ED that the rePUBICans are suffering from. All the fucking boo hoo threads showing just how impotent they are .... is not going to change a thing. I think maybe you need to look at this coming election. I know you are probably praying for a great reversal... all you are doing is wearing a thin spot on your prayer rug. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #54 December 29, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Didn't quite raise that bar with this one did you? More whining..... sheesh get over it already.. the reason this is happening is the piss poor performance the rePUBIClowns elected and subjected the country to from 1994 onward to the creshendo of our collapsing economy in 2007. Now we have to put up with the collective ED that the rePUBICans are suffering from. All the fucking boo hoo threads showing just how impotent they are .... is not going to change a thing. I think maybe you need to look at this coming election. I know you are probably praying for a great reversal... all you are doing is wearing a thin spot on your prayer rug. No - I'm reading the polls when tey come out. It won't be a Giant reversal - but a reversal still.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #55 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFact is, western Europe and Scandinavia have longer lifes expectancies than the USA, and nothing you have posted about lifestyles indicates any reason to believe that lifestyle is the reason for the difference. Then maybe you should have read the links I provided to the CDC, AHA, etc... instead of just ASSuming you knew better than them. The one who didn't read appears to be you. I think I'll take CDC's word over yours - sorry. Shame that what they said and what you claim they said are not the same thing. I suppose it was someone who stole your password that wrote: "Nope. Maybe you should re-read what I actually SAID, and not what you THINK I said. I made no comparison, no matter how much you try to invent one." mnealtx 12/15/09... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #56 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFact is, western Europe and Scandinavia have longer lifes expectancies than the USA, and nothing you have posted about lifestyles indicates any reason to believe that lifestyle is the reason for the difference. Then maybe you should have read the links I provided to the CDC, AHA, etc... instead of just ASSuming you knew better than them. The one who didn't read appears to be you. I think I'll take CDC's word over yours - sorry. Shame that what they said and what you claim they said are not the same thing. Shame you're WRONG. Research is fundamental: From NHBLI: QuoteOutlook Heart disease is the #1 killer of both women and men in the United States. Following a healthy lifestyle can help you and your children prevent or control many heart disease risk factors. Because many lifestyle habits begin during childhood, parents and families should encourage their children to make heart healthy choices. For example, if you maintain a healthy weight, follow a healthy diet, do physical activity regularly, and don't smoke, you can reduce your heart disease risk.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #57 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFact is, western Europe and Scandinavia have longer lifes expectancies than the USA, and nothing you have posted about lifestyles indicates any reason to believe that lifestyle is the reason for the difference. Then maybe you should have read the links I provided to the CDC, AHA, etc... instead of just ASSuming you knew better than them. The one who didn't read appears to be you. I think I'll take CDC's word over yours - sorry. Shame that what they said and what you claim they said are not the same thing. Shame you're WRONG. Research is fundamental: From NHBLI: QuoteOutlook Heart disease is the #1 killer of both women and men in the United States. Following a healthy lifestyle can help you and your children prevent or control many heart disease risk factors. Because many lifestyle habits begin during childhood, parents and families should encourage their children to make heart healthy choices. For example, if you maintain a healthy weight, follow a healthy diet, do physical activity regularly, and don't smoke, you can reduce your heart disease risk. No one disputes that. Just another strawman of yours. Where is the cite saying that this is more of a problem in the USA than elsewhere? Despite repeated requests, nothing you have posted proves that. In fact, you wrote previously: "My only claim was that Americans are, by and large, not exercising enough and eating healthy diets - this is ALSO borne out by examples I have shown." mnealtx, 12/12/09 NOTHING there comparing to places with better life expectancies. You then admitted as much: "Nope. Maybe you should re-read what I actually SAID, and not what you THINK I said. I made no comparison, no matter how much you try to invent one." mnealtx 12/15/09 Fact is, western Europe and Scandinavia have longer life expectancies than the USA, and nothing you have posted about lifestyles indicates any reason to believe that lifestyle is the reason for the difference.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #58 December 29, 2009 QuoteNo one disputes that. Just another strawman of yours. I think you mean YOUR strawman, since you are the one that keeps misrepresenting MY argument - might want to check your dictionary, perfesser. QuoteWhere is the cite saying that this is more of a problem in the USA than elsewhere? Despite repeated requests, nothing you have posted proves that. I didn't say it WAS more of a problem in the USA - that's all yours. I have, however, provided proof that diet and exercise ARE areas where the USA is not doing well, according to CDC and others. QuoteFact is, western Europe and Scandinavia have longer life expectancies than the USA, and nothing you have posted about lifestyles indicates any reason to believe that lifestyle is the reason for the difference. And nothing YOU have posted indicates that medical care is the reason for it, either.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #59 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteNo one disputes that. Just another strawman of yours. I think you mean YOUR strawman, since you are the one that keeps misrepresenting MY argument - might want to check your dictionary, perfesser. QuoteWhere is the cite saying that this is more of a problem in the USA than elsewhere? Despite repeated requests, nothing you have posted proves that. I didn't say it WAS more of a problem in the USA - that's all yours. I have, however, provided proof that diet and exercise ARE areas where the USA is not doing well, according to CDC and others. . Ha ha. I suppose someone stole your password again and wrote under your name in response to my post about DIFFERENCES between Europe and USA: "Then maybe you should have read the links I provided to the CDC, AHA, etc... instead of just ASSuming you knew better than them." mnealtx 12/28/09 OK, now we have the truth. You have no evidence whatsoever that the difference in life expectancies between the USA and western Europe/Scandinavia is due to lifestyle differences. It took a long time to wring it out of you, but thanks.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #60 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo one disputes that. Just another strawman of yours. I think you mean YOUR strawman, since you are the one that keeps misrepresenting MY argument - might want to check your dictionary, perfesser. QuoteWhere is the cite saying that this is more of a problem in the USA than elsewhere? Despite repeated requests, nothing you have posted proves that. I didn't say it WAS more of a problem in the USA - that's all yours. I have, however, provided proof that diet and exercise ARE areas where the USA is not doing well, according to CDC and others. . Ha ha. I suppose someone stole your password again and wrote under your name in response to my post about DIFFERENCES between Europe and USA: "Then maybe you should have read the links I provided to the CDC, AHA, etc... instead of just ASSuming you knew better than them." mnealtx 12/28/09 OK, now we have the truth. You have no evidence whatsoever that the difference in life expectancies between the USA and western Europe/Scandinavia is due to lifestyle differences. It took a long time for you to wring it out of you, but thanks. Likewise, YOU have no evidence whatsoever that the difference in life expectancies between the USA and western Europe/Scandinavia is due to medical care.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #61 December 29, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote No one disputes that. Just another strawman of yours. I think you mean YOUR strawman, since you are the one that keeps misrepresenting MY argument - might want to check your dictionary, perfesser. Quote Where is the cite saying that this is more of a problem in the USA than elsewhere? Despite repeated requests, nothing you have posted proves that. I didn't say it WAS more of a problem in the USA - that's all yours. I have, however, provided proof that diet and exercise ARE areas where the USA is not doing well, according to CDC and others. . Ha ha. I suppose someone stole your password again and wrote under your name in response to my post about DIFFERENCES between Europe and USA: "Then maybe you should have read the links I provided to the CDC, AHA, etc... instead of just ASSuming you knew better than them." mnealtx 12/28/09 OK, now we have the truth. You have no evidence whatsoever that the difference in life expectancies between the USA and western Europe/Scandinavia is due to lifestyle differences. It took a long time for you to wring it out of you, but thanks. Likewise, YOU have no evidence whatsoever that the difference in life expectancies between the USA and western Europe/Scandinavia is due to medical care. Backpedaling nicely now you had to fess upmedical care != health care SYSTEM. No one denies the USA has good medical care FOR THOSE THAT CAN AFFORD IT. The problem here is the shitty SYSTEM.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #62 December 29, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote No one disputes that. Just another strawman of yours. I think you mean YOUR strawman, since you are the one that keeps misrepresenting MY argument - might want to check your dictionary, perfesser. Quote Where is the cite saying that this is more of a problem in the USA than elsewhere? Despite repeated requests, nothing you have posted proves that. I didn't say it WAS more of a problem in the USA - that's all yours. I have, however, provided proof that diet and exercise ARE areas where the USA is not doing well, according to CDC and others. . Ha ha. I suppose someone stole your password again and wrote under your name in response to my post about DIFFERENCES between Europe and USA: "Then maybe you should have read the links I provided to the CDC, AHA, etc... instead of just ASSuming you knew better than them." mnealtx 12/28/09 OK, now we have the truth. You have no evidence whatsoever that the difference in life expectancies between the USA and western Europe/Scandinavia is due to lifestyle differences. It took a long time for you to wring it out of you, but thanks. Likewise, YOU have no evidence whatsoever that the difference in life expectancies between the USA and western Europe/Scandinavia is due to medical care. Backpedaling nicely now you had to fess up Funny you should say that, seeing as how your FINALLY admitted that lifestyle choices have more affect than medical care on longevity, upthread. Quote medical care != health care SYSTEM. Exercise/diet ADVICE != Health care. At least you've quit trying to blame doctors for people not exercising and eating right - there's hope for you yet.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #63 December 29, 2009 HA - how could he not - It's Bush's fault.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #64 December 29, 2009 QuoteExercise/diet ADVICE != Health care. That statement is false.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #65 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteExercise/diet ADVICE != Health care. That statement is false. So, Bill Phillips is now a doctor, instead of a ex-bodybuilder and supplement company president? That's certainly good info to know.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #66 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteExercise/diet ADVICE != Health care. That statement is false. So, Bill Phillips is now a doctor, instead of a ex-bodybuilder and supplement company president? That's certainly good info to know. MDs are not the only health care professionals. Try another silly argument.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #67 December 29, 2009 Quote At least you've quit trying to blame doctors for people not exercising and eating right - there's hope for you yet. That was your straw man.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #68 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteExercise/diet ADVICE != Health care. That statement is false. So, Bill Phillips is now a doctor, instead of a ex-bodybuilder and supplement company president? That's certainly good info to know. MDs are not the only health care professionals. Wow...whodathunk that ex-bodybuilders are now 'healthcare professionals'?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #69 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteExercise/diet ADVICE != Health care. That statement is false. So, Bill Phillips is now a doctor, instead of a ex-bodybuilder and supplement company president? That's certainly good info to know. MDs are not the only health care professionals. Wow...whodathunk that ex-bodybuilders are now 'healthcare professionals'? Having lost factually on one totally lame approach, you now try another totally lame approach. Whodathink that a freshman I once gave a 'B' to is now a healthcare professional. Funny how people change careers.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #70 December 29, 2009 Bill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. Plenty of lame going around...but it all seems to be coming from the Great Lakes.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #71 December 29, 2009 QuoteBill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. Plenty of lame going around...but it all seems to be coming from the Great Lakes. You enjoy making yourself look foolish, don't you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #72 December 29, 2009 QuoteExercise/diet ADVICE != Health care. At least you've quit trying to blame doctors for people not exercising and eating right - there's hope for you yet. Oh I don't know.... a yearly physical.. with the appropriate blood work.. can tell you just how lousy your health really is. Currently I have low iron... low vitamin D ( friggin weather around here I need to get outside more) and my freaking cholesterol.. the bad kind is WAY too freaking high( not enough salmon fishing the last couple years to offset the bad C with the good cholesterol I USED to have) I am mitigating those problems before they freaking kill me. I don’t blame the doctor. she was just the bearer of the news. BUT now that I am aware of the issues I can make changes.. or drop dead at my own discretion. Those with no health care at all.. well no doc to tell them just how lousy their health is... capish??? It makes better sense to have everyone have physicals.. to catch things BEFORE they have to show up dying in an emergency room... but that’s just me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #73 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteBill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. Plenty of lame going around...but it all seems to be coming from the Great Lakes. You enjoy making yourself look foolish, don't you? *golf clap* Great rebuttal, perfesser. Bravo!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #74 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteBill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. Plenty of lame going around...but it all seems to be coming from the Great Lakes. You enjoy making yourself look foolish, don't you? *golf clap* Great rebuttal, perfesser. Bravo!! Yep, it was actually more than your post deserved, but I was feeling generous. Being even more generous, Here's a list of health care professional societies. You will notice, of course, that they aren't all catering to MDs.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #75 December 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBill Phillips, ex-bodybuilder, made a lot of money telling people to exercise and eat right - it's not MY fault that you're the one that claimed such advice was the realm of 'healthcare professionals'. Plenty of lame going around...but it all seems to be coming from the Great Lakes. You enjoy making yourself look foolish, don't you? *golf clap* Great rebuttal, perfesser. Bravo!! Yep, it was actually more than your post deserved, but I was feeling generous. Being even more generous, Here's a list of health care professional societies. You will notice, of course, that they aren't all catering to MDs. You'll notice, of course, that Bill Phillips is STILL an ex-bodybuilder giving out the same advice on diet and exercise.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
