ridestrong 1 #1 December 25, 2009 We have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system.*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #2 December 25, 2009 QuoteWe have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. It will be difficult to be worse than 37th among the developed world (the US' current rank w/r/t healthcare).Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 December 25, 2009 WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969912 0 #4 December 25, 2009 The socialist fags at the WHO might disagree. "Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ." -NickDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #5 December 25, 2009 QuoteThe socialist fags at the WHO might disagree. The World Health Organization gives out publicly funded cigarettes? Who knew?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #6 December 25, 2009 QuoteWe have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. The fun is about to begin!* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #7 December 25, 2009 QuoteWe have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. I guess we just have to reconcile ourselves to longer life expectancies now, like in western Europe and Scandinavia.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 December 25, 2009 QuoteQuoteWe have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. I guess we just have to reconcile ourselves to longer life expectancies now, like in western Europe and Scandinavia. They have the equivalent of public option. Thus far, we do not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 December 26, 2009 QuoteQuoteWe have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. It will be difficult to be worse than 37th among the developed world (the US' current rank w/r/t healthcare). Current rank w/r/t socialized healthcare, you mean.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 December 26, 2009 Quote Quote We have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. I guess we just have to reconcile ourselves to longer life expectancies now, like in western Europe and Scandinavia. Sure thing, just gotta have the docs be able to force people to eat right and exercise. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #11 December 26, 2009 Quote Quote Quote We have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. I guess we just have to reconcile ourselves to longer life expectancies now, like in western Europe and Scandinavia. Sure thing, just gotta have the docs be able to force people to eat right and exercise. How is that any different than the situation in, say, Denmark or Sweden. Do the docs there have coercive powers that ours don't have? Or is this just another of your red herrings?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #12 December 26, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote We have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. I guess we just have to reconcile ourselves to longer life expectancies now, like in western Europe and Scandinavia. Sure thing, just gotta have the docs be able to force people to eat right and exercise. How is that any different than the situation in, say, Denmark or Sweden. Do the docs there have coercive powers that ours don't have? Or is this just another of your red herrings? Guess ya still haven't found that proof yet, eh perfesser?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 December 26, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote We have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. I guess we just have to reconcile ourselves to longer life expectancies now, like in western Europe and Scandinavia. Sure thing, just gotta have the docs be able to force people to eat right and exercise. How is that any different than the situation in, say, Denmark or Sweden. Do the docs there have coercive powers that ours don't have? Or is this just another of your red herrings? Since you bring up Sweden...shouldnt that be Surströmming???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #14 December 26, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteWe have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. It will be difficult to be worse than 37th among the developed world (the US' current rank w/r/t healthcare). Current rank w/r/t socialized healthcare, you mean. No, I wrote what I meant.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #15 December 26, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWe have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. It will be difficult to be worse than 37th among the developed world (the US' current rank w/r/t healthcare). Current rank w/r/t socialized healthcare, you mean. No, I wrote what I meant. And I wrote what the comparison actually *is*. Is there a problem with that?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #16 December 26, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote We have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. I guess we just have to reconcile ourselves to longer life expectancies now, like in western Europe and Scandinavia. Sure thing, just gotta have the docs be able to force people to eat right and exercise. How is that any different than the situation in, say, Denmark or Sweden. Do the docs there have coercive powers that ours don't have? Or is this just another of your red herrings? Guess ya still haven't found that proof yet, eh perfesser? Unless you have comparative data, that is just another of your Red Herrings.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #17 December 26, 2009 QuoteIs there a problem with that? Yes. The US' healthcare quality was considered, so it was clearly not a comparison of only socialized healthcare systems. Further, socialized heath insurance (i.e. single payer systems with government as the payer) is not the same as socialized healthcare (e.g., healthcare providers are government employees).Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #18 December 26, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWe have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. It will be difficult to be worse than 37th among the developed world (the US' current rank w/r/t healthcare). Current rank w/r/t socialized healthcare, you mean. No, I wrote what I meant. And I wrote what the comparison actually *is*. Is there a problem with that? So you now admit that 36 nations with socialized healthcare are doing better than the USA. I guess we're getting somewhere.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 December 26, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote We have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. I guess we just have to reconcile ourselves to longer life expectancies now, like in western Europe and Scandinavia. Sure thing, just gotta have the docs be able to force people to eat right and exercise. How is that any different than the situation in, say, Denmark or Sweden. Do the docs there have coercive powers that ours don't have? Or is this just another of your red herrings? Guess ya still haven't found that proof yet, eh perfesser? Unless you have comparative data, that is just another of your Red Herrings. Um, NO. The 'comparative data' is all YOUR red WHALE, perfessor. My claim was that lifestyle choices like diet and exercise were more pertinent to longevity (said statement supported by data from CDC and other health orgs). So - when you can provide proof that something ELSE is more pertinent than said life choices, let us know. Oh, and let the CDC, AHA, etc know, too.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 December 26, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWe have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. It will be difficult to be worse than 37th among the developed world (the US' current rank w/r/t healthcare). Current rank w/r/t socialized healthcare, you mean. No, I wrote what I meant. And I wrote what the comparison actually *is*. Is there a problem with that? So you now admit that 36 nations with socialized healthcare are doing better than the USA. I guess we're getting somewhere. I've always admitted that 36 countries scored higher on a scale based on the desirability of socialized medicine, yes. I don't know why you think that's something new. I've also always noted that the USA takes top rank in the only criterion in the study that actually shows how well the docs and hospitals are doing their jobs.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #21 December 26, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote We have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. I guess we just have to reconcile ourselves to longer life expectancies now, like in western Europe and Scandinavia. Sure thing, just gotta have the docs be able to force people to eat right and exercise. How is that any different than the situation in, say, Denmark or Sweden. Do the docs there have coercive powers that ours don't have? Or is this just another of your red herrings? Guess ya still haven't found that proof yet, eh perfesser? Unless you have comparative data, that is just another of your Red Herrings. Um, NO. The 'comparative data' is all YOUR red WHALE, perfessor. My claim was that lifestyle choices like diet and exercise were more pertinent to longevity (said statement supported by data from CDC and other health orgs). So - when you can provide proof that something ELSE is more pertinent than said life choices, let us know. Oh, and let the CDC, AHA, etc know, too. Non sequitur. NO ONE disputes that lifetyle is important. You keep bringing up that strawman. Unless you can show that doctors can enforce lifestyle choices in Scandinavia but not in the USA your statement with respect to a comparison between nations is absolutely meaningless. Your grasp of logic is about as good as your grasp of thermodynamics.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #22 December 26, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWe have officially taken the first step to a lesser quality health care system. It will be difficult to be worse than 37th among the developed world (the US' current rank w/r/t healthcare). Current rank w/r/t socialized healthcare, you mean. No, I wrote what I meant. And I wrote what the comparison actually *is*. Is there a problem with that? So you now admit that 36 nations with socialized healthcare are doing better than the USA. I guess we're getting somewhere. I've always admitted that 36 countries scored higher on a scale based on the desirability of socialized medicine, yes. I don't know why you think that's something new. I've also always noted that the USA takes top rank in the only criterion in the study that actually shows how well the docs and hospitals are doing their jobs. The fallacy in that argument about the effectiveness of healthcare SYSTEMS is plain to see.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 December 26, 2009 QuoteNO ONE disputes that lifetyle is important. You keep bringing up that strawman. I think YOU need the dictionary, this time - my use of that argument is NOT a strawman, since I am not misrepresenting your argument but repeating my own. QuoteUnless you can show that doctors can enforce lifestyle choices in Scandinavia but not in the USA your statement with respect to a comparison between nations is absolutely meaningless. I don't give a flying FUCK about your comparison between nations, John - that was all YOUR invention, not mine. QuoteYour grasp of logic is about as good as your grasp of thermodynamics. Ah, the perfesser's constant fallback - play the player.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #24 December 26, 2009 QuoteThe fallacy in that argument about the effectiveness of healthcare SYSTEMS is plain to see. Yup, it sure IS, isn't it?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #25 December 26, 2009 QuoteI've also always noted that the USA takes top rank in the only criterion in the study that actually shows how well the docs and hospitals are doing their jobs. Just a quick analysis of your source reveals that the US, despite having 50% more neonatal specialists than Canada and 100% more than Great Britain, as well as 15% more intensive care beds than Canada and 200% more than Great Britain, the US has the same neonatal mortality rates as Canada and United Kingdom. That certainly does not indicate higher effectiveness or higher efficiency in the US system. To be fair, your source does provide some pretty graphics; it just doesn't support your assertion. Edit to add: SourceMath tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
