Bible thumpers as fools? Why yes, indeed

[funjumper101 15]

In an online comments area, this exchange came up between a few folks duking it out with some nutters. Th nutters appear to have spent too much time in "christian" church as children, and never gotten over it.

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In reality, a fool IS a person who believes what someone else tell them, with NO evidence to support their claims. A fool will believe anything you tell them. An intelligent person will weigh the evidence.

Very well said. This reminds me of the words of Richard Carrier:

Suppose there is a God who is watching us and choosing which souls of the deceased to bring to heaven, and this god really does want only the morally good to populate heaven. He will probably select from only those who made a significant and responsible effort to discover the truth. For all others are untrustworthy, being cognitively or morally inferior, or both. They will also be less likely ever to discover and commit to true beliefs about right and wrong. That is, if they have a significant and trustworthy concern for doing right and avoiding wrong, it follows necessarily that they must have a significant and trustworthy concern for knowing right and wrong. Since this knowledge requires knowledge about many fundamental facts of the universe (such as whether there is a god), it follows necessarily that such people must have a significant and trustworthy concern for always seeking out, testing, and confirming that their beliefs about such things are probably correct. Therefore, only such people can be sufficiently moral and trustworthy to deserve a place in heaven — unless god wishes to fill heaven with the morally lazy, irresponsible, or untrustworthy.

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The Christmas season is pretty cool, even if the religious side doesn't make much sense to me. The family and celebration part of it make perfect sense.

Merry Christmas to all.

[Andy9o8 2]

Sounds to me like some of the unintelligible gobbelty-gook in the "War on Atheists" thread.

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-- A fool will believe anything you tell them. An intelligent person will weigh the evidence.

-- Suppose there is a God who is watching us and choosing which souls of the deceased to bring to heaven, .....

.... Therefore, only such people can be sufficiently moral and trustworthy to deserve a place in heaven — unless god wishes to fill heaven with the morally lazy, irresponsible, or untrustworthy.

[jakee 1,596]

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"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that who ever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."

Our good & moral works will never cut it.

And really, when you think about it, just how sick is that? Do you really think that your god is not only the ultimate egotist, but that it's a good thing?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

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-- A fool will believe anything you tell them. An intelligent person will weigh the evidence.

-- Suppose there is a God who is watching us and choosing which souls of the deceased to bring to heaven, .....

.... Therefore, only such people can be sufficiently moral and trustworthy to deserve a place in heaven — unless god wishes to fill heaven with the morally lazy, irresponsible, or untrustworthy.

[skyrider 0]

Fools? For having different beliefs than mine?

If that is true, then as I have always felt, Obama supporters are Fools! (I like to think they have simply been tricked,/mistaken not truely fools)

Religion is a hard nut to crack, I have many Inlaws that work for/make their living in the church, (I am an athiest) and My son hangs out with a Muslim kid, who's mother I am constantly asking questions, to try and understand where they are coming from..

OK gotta run, hope half a post makes sense, I really did have a direction, but ran out of time..>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[shropshire 0]

So why did he wait so long (since the begin of the Human race)? and why that particular time in history (no where near the worst time of behaviour).

and why that partricular dead end part of te Mediteranian? Most of the surface of the Earth was not even known about then.. So the 'Word' could not be spread

The timing and geography is all wrong. Make no real sense.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[jclalor 12]

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"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that who ever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."

Mabe I am a bit hazy on this one, but does not the phrase "He gave his only begotten son" infer that his son is gone forever. If Jesus "died for all of our sins" why is he still around? sounds like double talk.


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[DJL 235]

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So why did he wait so long (since the begin of the Human race)? and why that particular time in history (no where near the worst time of behaviour).

and why that partricular dead end part of te Mediteranian? Most of the surface of the Earth was not even known about then.. So the 'Word' could not be spread

The timing and geography is all wrong. Make no real sense.

Apparently it was His plan that Christianity would spread not through truth, logic, and goodness as was the way of Christ but through warfare, genocide, and empire building.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[maadmax 0]

--So why did he wait so long (since the begin of the Human race)? and why that particular time in history (no where near the worst time of behaviour).

and why that partricular dead end part of te Mediteranian? Most of the surface of the Earth was not even known about then.. So the 'Word' could not be spread

The timing and geography is all wrong. Make no real sense.

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Mabe I am a bit hazy on this one, but does not the phrase "He gave his only begotten son" infer that his son is gone forever. If Jesus "died for all of our sins" why is he still around? sounds like double talk.

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Excluding the other 180 million world inhabitants not within the Roman sphere of influence? Just curious about this. Why did Abraham's God not care about the rest of the world? If all humans are as equally capable of a place in his heaven then why was he historically so selective of the Jewish people?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[maadmax 0]

-- And really, when you think about it, just how sick is that? Do you really think that your god is not only the ultimate egotist, but that it's a good thing?

[maadmax 0]

--Excluding the other 180 million world inhabitants not within the Roman sphere of influence? Just curious about this. Why did Abraham's God not care about the rest of the world? If all humans are as equally capable of a place in his heaven then why was he historically so selective of the Jewish people?

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He was and is concerned about every person that has lived on this planet. I am as interested as anybody in how it will all finally work out. But one thing I am certain of is that He will not hold people responsible for what they were not given. The Jews were the people He chose to disseminate His message for a time and through whom He would send His Son.

Book/chapter/verse?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[redlegphi 0]

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-- A fool will believe anything you tell them. An intelligent person will weigh the evidence.

-- Suppose there is a God who is watching us and choosing which souls of the deceased to bring to heaven, .....

.... Therefore, only such people can be sufficiently moral and trustworthy to deserve a place in heaven — unless god wishes to fill heaven with the morally lazy, irresponsible, or untrustworthy.

It is actually much simpler than you think.

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that who ever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."

Our good & moral works will never cut it.

HAVE A WONDERFUL CHRISTMAS!!!!!


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[shropshire 0]

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So why did he wait so long (since the begin of the Human race)? and why that particular time in history (no where near the worst time of behaviour).

and why that partricular dead end part of te Mediteranian? Most of the surface of the Earth was not even known about then.. So the 'Word' could not be spread

The timing and geography is all wrong. Make no real sense.

Apparently it was His plan that Christianity would spread not through truth, logic, and goodness as was the way of Christ but through warfare, genocide, and empire building.

The Jesus should have been a Roman senator, or The Ghigas Khan, or Adolf Hitler, Idi Amin..... (George Bush) etc...

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[shropshire 0]

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--So why did he wait so long (since the begin of the Human race)? and why that particular time in history (no where near the worst time of behaviour).

and why that partricular dead end part of te Mediteranian? Most of the surface of the Earth was not even known about then.. So the 'Word' could not be spread

The timing and geography is all wrong. Make no real sense.

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He was and is concerned about every person that has lived on this planet. I am as interested as anybody in how it will all finally work out. But one thing I am certain of is that He will not hold people responsible for what they were not given. The Jews were the people He chose to disseminate His message for a time and through whom He would send His Son.

Book/chapter/verse?

[maadmax 0]

The timing and geography is all wrong. Make no real sense
You could be right, but for me the timing and the placement was perfect.


I'd seriously like to know why you think that, please.

Why choose a time where commincations wre extremely primative... why not wait 2000 years (a blink in the duration of the Human Race) - when He could touch EVERYONE on Earth

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Everyone has a chance to know of God, Romans 1:20-25

So how did the Hindu or Inuit Indians get their chance? Do they just get a by-week? Could this be biblical proof of reincarnation?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

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The timing and geography is all wrong. Make no real sense
You could be right, but for me the timing and the placement was perfect.


I'd seriously like to know why you think that, please.

Why choose a time where commincations wre extremely primative... why not wait 2000 years (a blink in the duration of the Human Race) - when He could touch EVERYONE on Earth

[maadmax 0]

So how did the Hindu or Inuit Indians get their chance? Do they just get a by-week? Could this be biblical proof of reincarnation?

[shropshire 0]

Quite

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Coreece 190]

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--So why did he wait so long (since the begin of the Human race)?

I'm sure you'd agree that communications would've been extremely primitive...they could barely talk.

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Why choose a time where commincations wre extremely primative... why not wait 2000 years (a blink in the duration of the Human Race)

He wanted to make sure he was good n' gone before the Word got to the UK and He would have to answer a bunch of skitzophrenic questions....

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why that partricular dead end part of te Mediteranian?

The timing and geography is all wrong. Make no real sense.

The Mediterranean allowed for Christianity to be spread to Eurpoe and than to the rest of the world.

Let's not also forget that the two largest religions originated in this centralized region...so, even though it may not make sense to you, doesn't change the fact that it's working.

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