rushmc 23 #276 December 30, 2009 Quote Quote Not in Iowa and I really doubt it in FL. Well, If you doubt it, that must mean it can't possibly be true. Great comeback Nothing else to say huh"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #277 December 30, 2009 Quote You do realize that neither passage contradicts what I posted, right? Quote No. But, not all registered vehicles are driven on public roads, yet they still require insurance according to state law, making your assertion false w/r/t Florida law. According to your statement here you are saying that a car not driven on a public road is required to be registered and therefor insured.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #278 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuote You do realize that neither passage contradicts what I posted, right? Quote No. But, not all registered vehicles are driven on public roads, yet they still require insurance according to state law, making your assertion false w/r/t Florida law. According to your statement here you are saying that a car not driven on a public road is required to be registered and therefor insured. Read what I wrote again. It does not say that cars not driven on public roads need to be registered. It says that not all registered vehicles are driven on public roads. Any vehicle that is registered, whether or not it is driven on public roads, is required to be insured.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #279 December 30, 2009 QuoteYou do realize that neither passage contradicts what I posted, right? Looks like it supports what I originally said - no insurance or registration required if you're not taking it outside of private property.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #280 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou do realize that neither passage contradicts what I posted, right? Looks like it supports what I originally said - no insurance or registration required if you're not taking it outside of private property. You posted that no insurance was required if a vehicle was not taken off private property. That assertion was incorrect. I pointed out that the criteria in Florida was whether or not the vehicle was registered, not whether or not it was taken off private property. Those two criteria are not the same, i.e. a registered vehicle that is not driven on public roads requires insurance.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #281 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou do realize that neither passage contradicts what I posted, right? Looks like it supports what I originally said - no insurance or registration required if you're not taking it outside of private property. You posted that no insurance was required if a vehicle was not taken off private property. That assertion was incorrect. I pointed out that the criteria was whether or not the vehicle was registered, not whether or not it was taken off private property. Those two criteria are not the same, i.e. a registered vehicle that is not driven on public roads requires insurance. Moot point - if the vehicle isn't going to be taken off private property, there is no requirement to register and thus no requirement for insurance, hence my 'circular logic' in response to you, earlier.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #282 December 30, 2009 QuoteMoot point No, it isn't. Quoteif the vehicle isn't going to be taken off private property, there is no requirement to register and thus no requirement for insurance, hence my 'circular logic' in response to you, earlier. Wrong again. As an example, someone living in an apartment complex may be required by their lease agreement to maintain registration for all vehicles kept on the complex's (private) property. That means the vehicle must also be insured, by Florida law, even if it isn't driven on public roads. BTW, your previous accusation of "circular logic," as well as this one, only demonstrates that you don't know what circular logic means.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #283 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteMoot point No, it isn't. Quoteif the vehicle isn't going to be taken off private property, there is no requirement to register and thus no requirement for insurance, hence my 'circular logic' in response to you, earlier. Wrong again. As an example, someone living in an apartment complex may be required by their lease agreement to maintain registration for all vehicles kept on the complex's (private) property. That means the vehicle must also be insured, by Florida law, even if it isn't driven on public roads. Stop tapdancing, you look silly.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #284 December 30, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Moot point No, it isn't. Quote if the vehicle isn't going to be taken off private property, there is no requirement to register and thus no requirement for insurance, hence my 'circular logic' in response to you, earlier. Wrong again. As an example, someone living in an apartment complex may be required by their lease agreement to maintain registration for all vehicles kept on the complex's (private) property. That means the vehicle must also be insured, by Florida law, even if it isn't driven on public roads. Stop tapdancing, you look silly. Only you would consider pointing out that to different things are in fact different as tap dancing. Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #285 December 30, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Moot point No, it isn't. Quote if the vehicle isn't going to be taken off private property, there is no requirement to register and thus no requirement for insurance, hence my 'circular logic' in response to you, earlier. Wrong again. As an example, someone living in an apartment complex may be required by their lease agreement to maintain registration for all vehicles kept on the complex's (private) property. That means the vehicle must also be insured, by Florida law, even if it isn't driven on public roads. Stop tapdancing, you look silly. Only you would consider pointing out that to different things are in fact different as tap dancing. I refer you back to Turtle's post.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #286 December 30, 2009 QuoteI refer you back to Turtle's post. Post #274, i.e., the one that quoted state statutes that didn't contradict anything I posted or support your assertion?Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #287 December 30, 2009 Quote As an example, someone living in an apartment complex may be required by their lease agreement to maintain registration for all vehicles kept on the complex's (private) property. That means the vehicle must also be insured, by Florida law, even if it isn't driven on public roads. Still a choice - you don't HAVE to live there. Well there is that, and, well, I'm confused as to what date the State of Florida allowed apartment complexes to make law.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #288 December 30, 2009 QuoteStill a choice - you don't HAVE to live there. True, although that's wholly irrelevant to the discussion. QuoteWell there is that, and, well, I'm confused as to what date the State of Florida allowed apartment complexes to make law. You apparently misread another post. I did not claim or imply that apartment complexes can make law.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #289 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteI refer you back to Turtle's post. Post #274, i.e., the one that quoted state statutes that didn't contradict anything I posted or support your assertion? Yes, section 320.02 - the one that says "A registration is not required for any motor vehicle that is not operated on the roads of this state during the registration period. " So - since 324.022 only requires insurance on REGISTERED vehicles, and section 320.02 does NOT require registration if the vehicle is not used on public roads, looks like it DOES, in fact, support my claim that insurance isn't required if the vehicle isn't used on public roads.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #290 December 30, 2009 QuoteYes, section 320.02 - the one that says "A registration is not required for any motor vehicle that is not operated on the roads of this state during the registration period. " Nice strawman. I never claimed registration was required for vehicles that are not operated on public roads. I said not all registered vehicles are driven on public roads and that registered vehicles that are not driven on public roads are still required to be insured (in Florida), showing that your original assertion was wrong. QuoteSo - since 324.022 only requires insurance on REGISTERED vehicles, and section 320.02 does NOT require registration if the vehicle is not used on public roads, looks like it DOES, in fact, support my claim that insurance isn't required if the vehicle isn't used on public roads. That does not logically support your assertion. It is indeed unfortunate if such the comprehension of such basic logic actually eludes you.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgerussia 0 #291 December 30, 2009 Quoteto bad the health care bill doesn't address this either. This is addressed in existing law already, there is no need to address it twice.* Don't pray for me if you wanna help - just send me a check. * Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #292 December 30, 2009 QuoteThat does not logically support your assertion. It is indeed unfortunate if such the comprehension of such basic logic actually eludes you. So disprove it. I look forward to your quotes of the applicable LAW instead of your normal tactic of attacking me.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #293 December 30, 2009 Quote Quote That does not logically support your assertion. It is indeed unfortunate if such the comprehension of such basic logic actually eludes you. So disprove it. I look forward to your quotes of the applicable LAW instead of your normal tactic of attacking me. But its more fun to attack you Mikee.... you get all flusterated Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #294 December 30, 2009 Quote Quote Quote That does not logically support your assertion. It is indeed unfortunate if such the comprehension of such basic logic actually eludes you. So disprove it. I look forward to your quotes of the applicable LAW instead of your normal tactic of attacking me. But its more fun to attack you Mikee.... you get all flusterated Hush, you!! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #295 December 30, 2009 QuoteSo disprove it. Disprove what? That there are registered vehicles in Florida that are not driven on public roads? I owned one such vehicle for a while. Insurance was required by law. You'll notice that there is no Florida statute that requires a registered vehicle to be driven on public roads, so you cannot assume that all vehicles that aren't operated on public roads are unregistered.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #296 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteStaying relevant to this discussion, I pay a lot more tax than I would if I owned a home and had a mortgage. So it appears I am indeed penalized by the government, in the form of extra tax, for not buying a home. "Appearances are misleading." The IRS doesn't buy that excuse. I DO have to pay pay additional tax because I don't own a home. You can make up all KINDS of "taxes" that you supposedly pay if you use enough lame examples - none of which are codified, amazingly enough. Are you now claiming that IRS Schedule A, Form 5405, and form 1040 aren't codified? Oddly enough, I can't find anywhere that 5405 mentions a TAX on people who don't own a home. Reading 2 forms that refer to each other is, I suppose, beyond your capabilities.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #297 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteStaying relevant to this discussion, I pay a lot more tax than I would if I owned a home and had a mortgage. So it appears I am indeed penalized by the government, in the form of extra tax, for not buying a home. "Appearances are misleading." The IRS doesn't buy that excuse. I DO have to pay pay additional tax because I don't own a home. That is like saying that you have to pay extra at Sears on a tool pouch because you didn't buy it when it was on sale. That IS the way it works in retail, yes. Since you admit to being mathematically challenged, I'll make it really easy for you: (tax credit) = -tax -(tax credit) = - (-tax) = +tax If you don't get the credit, you pay more tax.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #298 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteStaying relevant to this discussion, I pay a lot more tax than I would if I owned a home and had a mortgage. So it appears I am indeed penalized by the government, in the form of extra tax, for not buying a home. "Appearances are misleading." The IRS doesn't buy that excuse. I DO have to pay pay additional tax because I don't own a home. You can make up all KINDS of "taxes" that you supposedly pay if you use enough lame examples - none of which are codified, amazingly enough. Are you now claiming that IRS Schedule A, Form 5405, and form 1040 aren't codified? Oddly enough, I can't find anywhere that 5405 mentions a TAX on people who don't own a home. Reading 2 forms that refer to each other is, I suppose, beyond your capabilities. Evidently telling the difference between "tax credit" and "tax liability" is beyond yours, so I think I'm ahead. But, feel free to show me where on the 1040 I enter the 'not a homeowner' tax.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #299 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteStaying relevant to this discussion, I pay a lot more tax than I would if I owned a home and had a mortgage. So it appears I am indeed penalized by the government, in the form of extra tax, for not buying a home. "Appearances are misleading." The IRS doesn't buy that excuse. I DO have to pay pay additional tax because I don't own a home. You can make up all KINDS of "taxes" that you supposedly pay if you use enough lame examples - none of which are codified, amazingly enough. Are you now claiming that IRS Schedule A, Form 5405, and form 1040 aren't codified? Oddly enough, I can't find anywhere that 5405 mentions a TAX on people who don't own a home. Reading 2 forms that refer to each other is, I suppose, beyond your capabilities. Evidently telling the difference between "tax credit" and "tax liability" is beyond yours, Not what I wrote, try again, and get the sign correct this time. Its so simple even you could understand if you try: If you don't buy the house, you pay more tax. QED... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #300 December 30, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteStaying relevant to this discussion, I pay a lot more tax than I would if I owned a home and had a mortgage. So it appears I am indeed penalized by the government, in the form of extra tax, for not buying a home. "Appearances are misleading." The IRS doesn't buy that excuse. I DO have to pay pay additional tax because I don't own a home. You can make up all KINDS of "taxes" that you supposedly pay if you use enough lame examples - none of which are codified, amazingly enough. Are you now claiming that IRS Schedule A, Form 5405, and form 1040 aren't codified? Oddly enough, I can't find anywhere that 5405 mentions a TAX on people who don't own a home. Reading 2 forms that refer to each other is, I suppose, beyond your capabilities. Evidently telling the difference between "tax credit" and "tax liability" is beyond yours, Not what I wrote, try again, and get the sign correct this time. Its so simple even you could understand if you try: If you don't buy the house, you pay more tax. QED Your logic is flawed. there are a lot of factors out there that preclude someone from buying a house. Just because you may qualify for a credit given to you for buying a home does not mean that it is a penalty imposed on you if you don't buy one. show me the symbol for "if it is financially feasible" or "this is the best choice at this point in my life" and insert them into your equation. Oh, and don't forget the whole "qualify for the tax credit" symbol as well.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
