Overheard at the DZ, re: health care

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What will the privately owned company do to me if I don't pay?

I like how Kallend answered my question.

I guess I'll just ask it again.

Dear Kallend,

If I dispute a $50 charge from a privately owned company, what can they do to me? (ps.. I know they can take me to small claims court)

I await your answer soon Kallend!

Love,
Lou

I already answered it. With a fascist gov, like the US, corporations have a fasttrack agreement with the gov to file it as a charge and pursue it that way. Just as with Redflex and American Traffic Solutions and photoradar tickets.

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What will the privately owned company do to me if I don't pay?

I like how Kallend answered my question.

I guess I'll just ask it again.

Dear Kallend,

If I dispute a $50 charge from a privately owned company, what can they do to me? (ps.. I know they can take me to small claims court)

I await your answer soon Kallend!

Love,
Lou

Try driving at 90mph on the Illinois, Ohio, Penn or Indiana toll roads and see where the ticket comes from. Then you don't have to believe me.

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18 consecutive posts. Did you just return from a moderator enforced vacation?

You don't need to reply to every single post, you know.

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18 consecutive posts. Did you just return from a moderator enforced vacation?

You don't need to reply to every single post, you know.

Actually I wasn't banned or warned. I'm not the one attacking others. BTW, I guess I lose the bet.

Is it incomprehsable to you that I was busy over the last month or so?

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By LAW they are not allowed to send letters like the USPS.

Considering they do send letters, they seem to have sidestepped any legal restrictions quite effectively, doesn't it.

The cheapest rate for delivering a letter on UPS is $16.38. Not exactly the same thing, is it? Calling it a package, you can get down to 9.44.

They can't deliver a 1 oz package without charging you as if it were a pound.

Note also that they charge more to deliver to residential addresses, because they don't have mailboxes there.

That's an intra-UPS policy, not a law. So what you've illustrated is that the gov option allows for more flexibility saving the user money over the private option. For once we agree.

But since you reply, why not address this post? Cat got your tongue?

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Try driving at 90mph on the Illinois, Ohio, Penn or Indiana toll roads and see where the ticket comes from. Then you don't have to believe me.

I'm sorry, I didn't think we were talking a speeding ticket. Of course If I'm caught speeding I'll will be issued a speeding ticket by law enforcement officer.

I thought the OP was about a different ticket.

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- Heard enough of your style of cliche to choke a horse.............

Likewise...in every damn post you make.

Mike
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- Heard enough of your style of cliche to choke a horse.............

Likewise...in every damn post you make.

Well at least you're original.

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Try driving at 90mph on the Illinois, Ohio, Penn or Indiana toll roads and see where the ticket comes from. Then you don't have to believe me.

I'm sorry, I didn't think we were talking a speeding ticket. Of course If I'm caught speeding I'll will be issued a speeding ticket by law enforcement officer.

I thought the OP was about a different ticket.

He was talking about the fascist relationship between governmental America and corporate America. The same example I gave with Redflex and/or American Traffic Solutions is as valid; a priv ate corp sends you a ticket, if you ignore the gov sends a process server to be adjudicated in a city court....... just keep ignoring.

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- Heard enough of your style of cliche to choke a horse.............

Likewise...in every damn post you make.

Well at least you're original.

You're not.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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- Heard enough of your style of cliche to choke a horse.............

Likewise...in every damn post you make.

Well at least you're original.

You're not.

Did you not get the sarcasm? By saying you are, I'm saying you're not. Anyway, thx for showing appreciation for me by mirroring me.

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Try driving at 90mph on the Illinois, Ohio, Penn or Indiana toll roads and see where the ticket comes from. Then you don't have to believe me.

I'm sorry, I didn't think we were talking a speeding ticket. Of course If I'm caught speeding I'll will be issued a speeding ticket by law enforcement officer.

I thought the OP was about a different ticket.

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3759867#3759867

Short memory you have. We were talking about toll road violations. Around here thay are all enforced by the state even when the toll road is private (BOT scheme as in Arkansas, California, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Mississippi, Texas, and Virginia). From a typical (Illinois) web site:

Missed the 7-day Grace Period?
•The unpaid toll has now become a violation.
•The Tollway recognizes that honest mistakes happen—we allow 2 mistakes in a 24-month period. Upon your third unpaid toll within a 2-year period, a violation notice will be issued and fines assessed.
•Payment after the 7-day grace period does not remove that toll from violation status.
Failure to pay tolls can result in fines and possible suspension of your license plate and/or your driver's license.

Last time I checked, license plates and drivers licenses were issued by the states.


Maybe it's different in redland.

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18 consecutive posts. Did you just return from a moderator enforced vacation?

You don't need to reply to every single post, you know.

Actually I wasn't banned or warned. I'm not the one attacking others. BTW, I guess I lose the bet.

Is it incomprehsable to you that I was busy over the last month or so?

Pretty much, when you respond to 40% of the postings in a thread. Only Rhys has the same level of obsession in trying to convince us 9/11 was a conspiracy.

If I feel I need to reply to a wide number of thoughts in an established thread, I change the reply-to to [] and just put out a few thoughts. It's rarely necessary to do line by line responses.

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Pretty much, when you respond to 40% of the postings in a thread. Only Rhys has the same level of obsession in trying to convince us 9/11 was a conspiracy.

So attack teh poster instead of the post - gottcha, loud and clear. AKA ad hominem.

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If I feel I need to reply to a wide number of thoughts in an established thread, I change the reply-to to [] and just put out a few thoughts. It's rarely necessary to do line by line responses.

I'm sincerely proud of you. Now, if you're done covering your style of responding, go ahead and answer this:

That's an intra-UPS policy, not a law. So what you've illustrated is that the gov option allows for more flexibility saving the user money over the private option. For once we agree.

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So attack teh poster instead of the post - gottcha, loud and clear. AKA ad hominem.

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I'm sincerely proud of you. Now, if you're done covering your style of responding, go ahead and answer this:

So, he should do as you say and not as you do, apparently?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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So attack teh poster instead of the post - gottcha, loud and clear. AKA ad hominem.

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I'm sincerely proud of you. Now, if you're done covering your style of responding, go ahead and answer this:

So, he should do as you say and not as you do, apparently?

All conservatives love the cheerleading support, but no, I answer a point, Kelp continues to run from that.


KELP: The cheapest rate for delivering a letter on UPS is $16.38. Not exactly the same thing, is it? Calling it a package, you can get down to 9.44.

They can't deliver a 1 oz package without charging you as if it were a pound.

Note also that they charge more to deliver to residential addresses, because they don't have mailboxes there.




ME: That's an intra-UPS policy, not a law. So what you've illustrated is that the gov option allows for more flexibility saving the user money over the private option. For once we agree.


KELP: 18 consecutive posts. Did you just return from a moderator enforced vacation?

You don't need to reply to every single post, you know.


AKA: Paraphasation would be: Geez, yhou sure answer a lot of posts.


Mike, I'm sure you can understand, he addressd the number of posts I wrote, not a word in them. Point is, Kelp and I agree that the post office delivers cheaper and with more flexibility than do private providers...... just like HC and most other enterprises.

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Hint - that 'whoosh' sound echoing in your ears wasn't the Otter going by, Lucky.

You called him out for 'attacking' you, then turned right around and attacked HIM.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Hint - that 'whoosh' sound echoing in your ears wasn't the Otter going by, Lucky.

You called him out for 'attacking' you, then turned right around and attacked HIM.

Ah no, all I want is for him to acknowledge that he and I agree that the USPS provides a cheaper, more flexible alternative to private carriers. Then you enter to run misdirection; he thanks you.

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Hint - that 'whoosh' sound echoing in your ears wasn't the Otter going by, Lucky.

You called him out for 'attacking' you, then turned right around and attacked HIM.

Ah no, all I want is for him to acknowledge that he and I agree that the USPS provides a cheaper, more flexible alternative to private carriers.

That wasn't what the subthread was about.

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Then you enter to run misdirection; he thanks you.

No misdirection, just pointing out the hypocrisy in your post.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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That wasn't what the subthread was about.

Sure it was, many people participated in the analogy where we compared public HC to the public mail system; did you lose track?

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No misdirection, just pointing out the hypocrisy in your post.

Sure it is, do you see Kelp in here? Nor do I.

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It was not addressed.

If you really believe that, then there is no point in discussing the issue further with you. Just because you disagree with the logical conclusions does not mean an issue has not been addressed.

You seem to think ignoring the deficit makes it go away (surprise, surprise). So, one more time, just because it's cheaper to you personally does not mean the government is actually doing it cheap. My point is that ignoring the deficit does not make it go away. Billions of dollars of deficit should not be blindly swept under the rug or justified as "just $7B." An organization that is billions of dollars in the red (and protected under monopoly laws) should not be heralded as a business success.

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"and these are the people you want in charge of your healthcare?"

Personally I would tell the OP's friend that's he's incorrect because the State deals with motorists while the Fed deals with healthcare.

He's bitching about toll road enforcement and saying "These are the people in charge of healthcare."

The government enforces toll roads
The government just passed a healthcare bill

This thread was started on the premise that he's an idiot because he can't make the distincion between a private company and government. So you helped me make my point by pointing out that it IS government that enforces the toll roads.

A private company can't enforce shit. They can mark your credit. A government authority can suspend a driver's license, issue warrants, etc.

So, if I get a ticket wrongful ticket from a toll road, I can absolutely say "and these are the people that are in charge of are healthcare"

I'm done, you have the last word

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Ah no, all I want is for him to acknowledge that he and I agree that the USPS provides a cheaper, more flexible alternative to private carriers. Then you enter to run misdirection; he thanks you.

Wow - you really misunderstood virtually the entire thread. (Again)

The discussion was regarding the USPS monopoly on first class letter delivery. It was asserted that UPS and others could deliver mail if they wanted, but it's clearly not so. You would only use them for express mail, or larger sets of documents where the per pound price makes more sense.

I don't know that UPS would want that business - it's hard to improve on 40some cents per letter, even in volume, and the scaling is tough. But if the USPS didn't have this monopoly, could they maintain that price (albeit with a 7B deficit)?

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You seem to think ignoring the deficit makes it go away (surprise, surprise). So, one more time, just because it's cheaper to you personally does not mean the government is actually doing it cheap.

Did you even read the post to which I linked? The cost of the deficit was figured into the expense, and it was still much cheaper.

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You seem to think ignoring the deficit makes it go away (surprise, surprise). So, one more time, just because it's cheaper to you personally does not mean the government is actually doing it cheap.

Did you even read the post to which I linked? The cost of the deficit was figured into the expense, and it was still much cheaper.

Yes, I read it. That still doesn't change the fact that there's a $7B deficit. The business is consistently in the red (and protected by law) and therefore should not be held up as an efficiently run company.

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