Bolas 5 #26 December 22, 2009 QuoteWhen someone in the United baggage handling stream stole stuff from my gate-checked bag on the way back from the wingsuit big-way in November, the airline more or less told me to fuck off. I hope you didn't stand for that and made them compensate you.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #27 December 22, 2009 QuoteWould you be okay with someone using your house without your permission? Post office boxes and mailboxes are property of USPS. Why should UPS or FedEx be allowed to use them? Did you buy your mailbox, or did the PO buy and install it for you? Do you pay rent on the PO box, or does the Govt give it to you for free? You are (intentionally) missing the point. The PO has a monopoly by LAW that gives them certain advantages. And that these advantages are being left out of the USPS/FedEx Vs. private/public HC comparison."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #28 December 22, 2009 QuoteYou are (intentionally) missing the point. No, I'm just pointing out why your example was a bogus one, since "your" mailbox is property of the USPS, not the owner of the property where it is used. There is nothing that prevents UPS, FedEx, or any other carrier from installing similar boxes for their own use.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 December 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou are (intentionally) missing the point. No, I'm just pointing out why your example was a bogus one, since "your" mailbox is property of the USPS, not the owner of the property where it is used. Really? If it's USPS property, why did *I* have to buy, install and maintain it? Why can *I* change it out whenever I like, or not have one at all?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #30 December 22, 2009 The thread drift is really drifting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #31 December 22, 2009 QuoteNo, I'm just pointing out why your example was a bogus one, since "your" mailbox is property of the USPS Then why did *I* have to buy it? You just can't admit your analogy is faulty, and thats just funny. You can't admit that THERE ARE LAWS that give the USPS a monopoly and how that does not allow the USPS as a good comparison to HC."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 December 22, 2009 QuoteOf course, when you are sick you are at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to 'standing up' for yourself. especially with ricketts, or crone's disease, or leprosy - or a broken leg ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #33 December 23, 2009 About the Private Toll road, if it's privately owned you should have no trouble telling them where to stick that $50 ticket. Funny, I don't even need examples. I just listen to anyone in this administration speak for more than 2 minutes and I'll be damned if I think they know how to do anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,230 #34 December 23, 2009 QuoteAbout the Private Toll road, if it's privately owned you should have no trouble telling them where to stick that $50 ticket. . Ha ha. Try it and see.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #35 December 23, 2009 QuoteYou can't admit that THERE ARE LAWS that give the USPS a monopoly … Perhaps you've not heard of UPS and FedEx? They send letters and packages from one address to another, just as USPS does.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #36 December 23, 2009 QuoteReally? If it's USPS property, why did *I* have to buy, install and maintain it? Why can *I* change it out whenever I like, or not have one at all? Those are questions better addressed to the Postmaster General.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #37 December 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou can't admit that THERE ARE LAWS that give the USPS a monopoly … Perhaps you've not heard of UPS and FedEx? They send letters and packages from one address to another, just as USPS does. Perhaps you've never heard of the private express statutes . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #38 December 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou can't admit that THERE ARE LAWS that give the USPS a monopoly … Perhaps you've not heard of UPS and FedEx? They send letters and packages from one address to another, just as USPS does. Perhaps you've never heard of the private express statutes . The reality is that consumers have a choice regarding which carrier they use. It just happens that for most needs, FedEx and UPS cannot offer the same value that USPS can offer.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #39 December 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteReally? If it's USPS property, why did *I* have to buy, install and maintain it? Why can *I* change it out whenever I like, or not have one at all? Those are questions better addressed to the Postmaster General. Nice dodge.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #40 December 23, 2009 QuotePerhaps you've not heard of UPS and FedEx? Worked for FedEx for 18+ years. So, yes.... I have heard of them. QuoteThey send letters and packages from one address to another, just as USPS does. Better check again. By LAW they are not allowed to send letters like the USPS. Reference: The private express statutes. QuoteThe reality is that consumers have a choice regarding which carrier they use. Nope, BY LAW FedEx and UPS are not allowed to offer the same types of services.... Tell ya what, actually read the private express statutes and get back with us. Here is just a quick synopsis for you: QuoteAs a quasi-governmental agency, it has many special privileges, including sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. So BY LAW FedEx and UPS are not allowed to deliver 1st and 3rd class mail. Seriously, read up on it and get back to us."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #41 December 23, 2009 QuoteBy LAW they are not allowed to send letters like the USPS. Considering they do send letters, they seem to have sidestepped any legal restrictions quite effectively, doesn't it.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #42 December 23, 2009 QuoteConsidering they do send letters, they seem to have sidestepped any legal restrictions quite effectively, doesn't it. Nope....BY LAW FedEx and UPS are not allowed to deliver 1st and 3rd class mail. Seriously, read up on it and get back to us....Cause you are not even close."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #43 December 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteReally? If it's USPS property, why did *I* have to buy, install and maintain it? Why can *I* change it out whenever I like, or not have one at all? Those are questions better addressed to the Postmaster General. Nice dodge. It's not a dodge. The restrictions exist, and if you want to understand their purpose, you should contact the Postmaster General or a suitable subordinate. The situation is similar to how you can purchase a DVD, but you cannot legally play the movie on the DVD in a crowded bar. You can, however, use the DVD as a coaster in that same crowded bar, without restriction. Further, consider that many/most mailboxes are not installed on private property, but rather on the right of way in front of the owners property.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #44 December 23, 2009 QuoteNope....BY LAW FedEx and UPS are not allowed to deliver 1st and 3rd class mail. Right, since that is a designation given by USPS upon receipt of the letter and postage. Likewise, USPS does not deliver UPS' Next Day Air® packages. However, consumers have a choice about how and with whom they send letters and parcels, a choice that would not exist with a monopoly.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #45 December 23, 2009 QuoteHa ha. Try it and see. What will the privately owned company do to me if I don't pay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 December 23, 2009 QuoteQuoteBy LAW they are not allowed to send letters like the USPS. Considering they do send letters *I* certainly can't take an addressed, stamped envelope to FedEx or UPS and have them deliver it. I have to use their packaging and pay fees over/above USPS postage. Prove your claim.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #47 December 23, 2009 Quote*I* certainly can't take an addressed, stamped envelope to FedEx or UPS and have them deliver it. I have to use their packaging and pay fees over/above USPS postage. Prove your claim. Nor can you take a UPS Next Day Air® package, for which the delivery fees have been paid, to the Post Office and expect them to deliver it. A stamp indicates a fee has been paid to USPS. Why would you expect UPS or FedEx to deliver a package for which you paid delivery fees to USPS? Also, you do not need to use UPS or FedEx specific packaging to use their delivery services.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #48 December 24, 2009 QuoteQuoteBy LAW they are not allowed to send letters like the USPS. Considering they do send letters, they seem to have sidestepped any legal restrictions quite effectively, doesn't it. The cheapest rate for delivering a letter on UPS is $16.38. Not exactly the same thing, is it? Calling it a package, you can get down to 9.44. They can't deliver a 1 oz package without charging you as if it were a pound. Note also that they charge more to deliver to residential addresses, because they don't have mailboxes there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #49 December 24, 2009 QuoteThe cheapest rate for delivering a letter on UPS is $16.38. Not exactly the same thing, is it? Are you claiming that the option does not exist for consumers? Are we really surprised that the government can manage to do it cheaper than UPS? QuoteThey can't deliver a 1 oz package without charging you as if it were a pound. Can't or won't? QuoteNote also that they charge more to deliver to residential addresses, because they don't have mailboxes there. Most residences do have mailboxes, actually. Most businesses and most residences both lack "UPS boxes." I suspect any extra charge for delivering to residences is due to extra average expense for delivery (e.g., more fuel per package delivered, more time per package delivered, etc.), as determined from data obtained from delivery of millions of packages.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #50 December 24, 2009 Since it's pretty obvious you're not going to read the linked info: Quote In 1979 the Postal Service authorized the delivery of extremely urgent letters outside the USPS; this has given rise to delivery services such as Federal Express and UPS. These letters must either cost at least the greater of $3 or twice what First Class (or Priority) mail service would cost, or they must be delivered within strict time limits or otherwise lose value. They must be marked "EXTREMELY URGENT". Records of pick up and delivery must be maintained for Postal Service inspection if the time sensitive exception is being used. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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