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QuoteQuoteEvery one of your concerns has been answered with facts many times over. Since you refuse to believe facts and instead prefer the opinions of idiots, why not ask them?
O.k. here is there answer;
http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2009/04/steven-jones-tells-911-debunkers-to-put.html
UNLESS AN OBJECTOR ACTUALLY PUBLISHES HIS OR HER OBJECTION IN A PEER-REVIEWED ESTABLISHED JOURNAL (yes that would include Bentham Scientific journals), THEN THE OBJECTION IS NOT CONSIDERED SERIOUS IN THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY. YOU SHOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT NON-PUBLISHED OBJECTIONS EITHER.
Your debunkings are simply conjured up and have no scientific value.
First the scientific method should be used and then conclusion drawn.
Conclusions come at the end of a scientific experiement, not the beginning.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I did not produce, edit, post or otherwise involve myself with those videos.
Are you EVER going to answer the question as to whether you think lack of fire shooting out the windows means no fire?
If you, or any of your idiot friends, knew anything at all about the use of explosives to bring down a building you would know that there is a substantial delay from when the charges go off until the structure noticeably starts to collapse. The puffs of dust/smoke coming from the windows as the structure was failing were caused by air pressure from the collapse, not any charges or detonations. People who work with these products and services for a living have stated that over and over, yet you and the rest of the uneducated self-professed "experts" believe the laws of physics were broken that day and claim sabotage.
As far as experiments first, conclusion last....you are absolutely correct! :) So why don't you practice what you preach? You want there to have been a conspiarcy by the US government and so you twist fact, ignore facts and simple laws of physics, and proclaim what you want to believe is the truth. Problem for you is this: 99.9% of the world is smart enough not to believe you.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
grimmie 186
Conspiracy theories and how the rescue workers have been treated are two different topics.
Bring your gear.
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QuoteConspiracy theories and how the rescue workers have been treated are two different topics.
Bring your gear.
To be honest.. I think someone has played a wee bit too much without the proper gear... if ya know what I mean, Grimmie
rhys 0
QuoteIf you, or any of your idiot friends, knew anything at all about the use of explosives to bring down a building you would know that there is a substantial delay from when the charges go off until the structure noticeably starts to collapse. The puffs of dust/smoke coming from the windows as the structure was failing were caused by air pressure from the collapse, not any charges or detonations.
I cannot beleve you re an engineer!!
Did you watch the recently released video that I posted earlier in this thread, if air pressure broke those windows that blow out.
Don't confuse regular controlled demolition wuth 9/11, as much a 9/11 was controlled demolition, no building 'on record' has been imploded in the wa\y the twin towers were.
QuoteSo why don't you practice what you preach? You want there to have been a conspiarcy by the US government and so you twist fact, ignore facts and simple laws of physics, and proclaim what you want to believe is the truth. Problem for you is this: 99.9% of the world is smart enough not to believe you.
eeeeeeeeh, wrong!
These experiemnts and conclusions and hypothesies have already been done, and published, it is your neglect to acknowledge or understand them that results in your ignorant opinion.
Where is your logic engineer guy.
You agree with the scientific method but don't think it os applicable here?
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix
As you wish. People here have tried to help you understand but you choose ignorance over facts.
BTW, I asked you a question a long, long time ago that you never acknowledged. I'll ask again.
Do you know what happens to steel at app. 700 degrees C? If you don't you can't possibly pose an intellgent argument against those who do when the collapse of the towers and #7 are concerned.
BTW, I asked you a question a long, long time ago that you never acknowledged. I'll ask again.
Do you know what happens to steel at app. 700 degrees C? If you don't you can't possibly pose an intellgent argument against those who do when the collapse of the towers and #7 are concerned.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
champu 1
QuoteDon't confuse regular controlled demolition wuth 9/11, as much a 9/11 was controlled demolition, no building 'on record' has been imploded in the wa\y the twin towers were.
You and I apparently subscribe to different definitions of the word "imploded."
hcsvader 1
QuoteDo you know what happens to steel at app. 700 degrees C?
oh oH Oh OH what happens to steel at 700C/1250f?
We heated up some structural steel at work to try and stress relieve it and straighten it..... wanna guess how hot it got?
wanna know what happened???
I would love to here your theory because it sure didnt do what our imagineer thought it would do
Of course us welders who actually apply these theories know different
Have you seen my pants?
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
QuoteQuoteDo you know what happens to steel at app. 700 degrees C?
oh oH Oh OH what happens to steel at 700C/1250f?
We heated up some structural steel at work to try and stress relieve it and straighten it..... wanna guess how hot it got?
wanna know what happened???
I would love to here your theory because it sure didnt do what our imagineer thought it would do
Of course us welders who actually apply these theories know different
Let's see...it got to whatever temperature you heated it to. Tell me what the steel was, sizes, weld procedure, joint design, etc. plus the temp you heated it to and I'll tell you what happened.
I know what happens to steel at 700C. I imagine Bill does and I know Kallend does. Probably several others here as well. Are you one of them?
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
hcsvader 1
depending on the carbon content of the steel at 700c the steel will change to an austnite crystal makking it much more likely to fail. Failure is mostly likely to happen in a heat affected zone(somewhere that has already been welded)
Have you seen my pants?
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
hcsvader 1
So yes steel is more likely to fail above 700c. But how do you explain what happened to the steel in this picure?
Where it is very obvious that the steel has been cut by something.
http://911nwo.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/thermate-wtc.jpg
Where it is very obvious that the steel has been cut by something.
http://911nwo.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/thermate-wtc.jpg
Have you seen my pants?
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
Andy9o8 2
QuoteDo you know what happens to steel at app. 700 degrees C?
Your tongue will stick to it?
OK, that's just a guess.
hcsvader 1
QuoteQuoteDo you know what happens to steel at app. 700 degrees C?
Your tongue will stick to it?
OK, that's just a guess.
I imagine it would melt to it actually
Have you seen my pants?
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
Quotedepending on the carbon content of the steel at 700c the steel will change to an austnite crystal makking it much more likely to fail. Failure is mostly likely to happen in a heat affected zone(somewhere that has already been welded)
Close enough on the change to austenite. However, if failure occures near a welded region it is not because of the HAZ since in most cases all regions of the HAZ will have been nearly all austenized. Failure in the weld area would be caused by discontinuities in the cross section of the weld, i.e. undercutting. Excessive weld bead can also lead to stress concentration at the toe of the weld.
911 conspiricy theorists ignore the fact that steel only needs to get to a few hundred degrees C to lose a major portion of it's strength.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
QuoteSo yes steel is more likely to fail above 700c. But how do you explain what happened to the steel in this picure?
Where it is very obvious that the steel has been cut by something.
http://911nwo.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/thermate-wtc.jpg
Yes, it appears to have been cut with either an oxy-fuel torch or a carbon arc torch. There was a lot of that going on after the buildings came down to facilitate recovery attempts and cleanup.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
hcsvader 1
Quoteundercutting. Excessive weld bead can also lead to stress concentration at the toe of the weld.
Both of which would be a substandard weldment and would not pass QC
Have you seen my pants?
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
hcsvader 1
QuoteYes, it appears to have been cut with either an oxy-fuel torch or a carbon arc electrode
If I was able to see a close up of the cut I could tell you exactly what was or wasn't used to cut this steel. But by the amount of slag still left pn the steel im willing to bet it wasn't cut using oxy-fuel or carbon arc. These processes tend to blow the slag away from the cut, not let it run down the side of the steel being cut.
Have you seen my pants?
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
it"s a rough life, Livin' the dream
>:)
QuoteQuoteundercutting. Excessive weld bead can also lead to stress concentration at the toe of the weld.
Both of which would be a substandard weldment and would not pass QC
Some undercutting is usually allowed. AWS, ASME, etc. all specify how much. Also, depending on the design, a weld fillet can be specified as concave, flat, or convex. How concave or convex is called out in the weld specifications.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
I am in Australia, are you buying the plane tickets?
Or how about you simply contribute their beliefs here for us all to discuss, are they suffering from respartory illness yet?
If so are they getting compensation?
Many are dead, dying or sick and your government ignores their needs, they are heros too, are they not?
I would be interested to know what your FDNY 'hockey team' think of that?
I Play centre and left wing, I'd be keen for a game though!
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