Ban military-style semi-auto firearms?

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my first Red Ryder BB gun.

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News from Washington state:

State lawmakers to seek ban on sales of semi-automatic weapons

"In response to recent shooting deaths, three state lawmakers say they want to ban the sale of military-style semi-automatic weapons in Washington. The legislation would prohibit the sale of such weapons to private citizens and require current owners to pass background checks. The ban would cover semiautomatics designed for military use that are capable of rapid-fire and can hold more than 10 rounds. Semiautomatics designed for sporting or hunting purposes wouldn't be banned..."

Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010527541_gunban17m.html

AR and SKS owners: get ready to submit yourself for a background check. I suppose this would cover M14's/M1A's, and M1 Carbines too. And of course, this background check effectively registers you with the state as an "assault weapon" owner, and someone who needs to be watched closely.

Hi John,
Ya' started a good one!! Just love this "Military style" ban?/ Funny how that goes. You've seen a standard Ruger 10/22. Saw one at the gun store day before yesterday all accessorized to look like a whiz-bang, bi-pod mounted AR- what ever the current rendition is!! It's not what they are, it's what they "look like" to the hoplaphobes. Add enough plastic forestocks and other goodies and ya' could make Davey Crockets' "Old Betsy" look like Luke Skywalker's Blaster!! It really doesn't matter!! I just got a Daisy Red Rider 70th anniv BB gun for Christmas from my step son and his family. I'll probably just stash it as a collector's item but I wonder if when Di Fi gets her 60 votes to "Turn them all in Mr and Mrs America!!" since it doesn't use gunpowder to drive the projectile, will she let me keep it?? Oh BTW I guess it'll have to go, it holds "650BB's!!!!!"

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The people will win.. since it is a second amendment issue.

Just like the people have won the 4th issues?

Or the 8th issues?

Altho I don't think there will be a mass collection of firearms, mass registration could be an issue and think of all the firearms that won't be registered and become felonies to the bearers of them.

[kallend 2,150]

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News from Washington state:

State lawmakers to seek ban on sales of semi-automatic weapons

"In response to recent shooting deaths, three state lawmakers say they want to ban the sale of military-style semi-automatic weapons in Washington. The legislation would prohibit the sale of such weapons to private citizens and require current owners to pass background checks. The ban would cover semiautomatics designed for military use that are capable of rapid-fire and can hold more than 10 rounds. Semiautomatics designed for sporting or hunting purposes wouldn't be banned..."

Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010527541_gunban17m.html

AR and SKS owners: get ready to submit yourself for a background check. I suppose this would cover M14's/M1A's, and M1 Carbines too. And of course, this background check effectively registers you with the state as an "assault weapon" owner, and someone who needs to be watched closely.

Hi John,
Ya' started a good one!! Just love this "Military style" ban?/ Funny how that goes. You've seen a standard Ruger 10/22. Saw one at the gun store day before yesterday all accessorized to look like a whiz-bang, bi-pod mounted AR- what ever the current rendition is!! It's not what they are, it's what they "look like" to the hoplaphobes. Add enough plastic forestocks and other goodies and ya' could make Davey Crockets' "Old Betsy" look like Luke Skywalker's Blaster!!

So WHY do the manufacturers add all that stuff? Could it be that it appeals to the same immature minds that think a Camaro with racing stripes and 4 tailpipes is cool, although it doesn't go any faster or handle any better?

If the gun-o-philes only care about functionality, all that cosmetic stuff is a waste of money, right? The manufacturers' marketing folks got it all wrong.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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So WHY do the manufacturers add all that stuff? Could it be that it appeals to the same immature minds that think a Camaro with racing stripes and 4 tailpipes is cool, although it doesn't go any faster or handle any better?

If the gun-o-philes only care about functionality, all that cosmetic stuff is a waste of money, right? The manufacturers' marketing folks got it all wrong.

And Mooneys and MG's exist why? I Pipers and Toyotas do the same job......

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News from Washington state:

State lawmakers to seek ban on sales of semi-automatic weapons

"In response to recent shooting deaths, three state lawmakers say they want to ban the sale of military-style semi-automatic weapons in Washington. The legislation would prohibit the sale of such weapons to private citizens and require current owners to pass background checks. The ban would cover semiautomatics designed for military use that are capable of rapid-fire and can hold more than 10 rounds. Semiautomatics designed for sporting or hunting purposes wouldn't be banned..."

Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010527541_gunban17m.html

AR and SKS owners: get ready to submit yourself for a background check. I suppose this would cover M14's/M1A's, and M1 Carbines too. And of course, this background check effectively registers you with the state as an "assault weapon" owner, and someone who needs to be watched closely.

Hi John,
Ya' started a good one!! Just love this "Military style" ban?/ Funny how that goes. You've seen a standard Ruger 10/22. Saw one at the gun store day before yesterday all accessorized to look like a whiz-bang, bi-pod mounted AR- what ever the current rendition is!! It's not what they are, it's what they "look like" to the hoplaphobes. Add enough plastic forestocks and other goodies and ya' could make Davey Crockets' "Old Betsy" look like Luke Skywalker's Blaster!!

So WHY do the manufacturers add all that stuff? Could it be that it appeals to the same immature minds that think a Camaro with racing stripes and 4 tailpipes is cool, although it doesn't go any faster or handle any better?

If the gun-o-philes only care about functionality, all that cosmetic stuff is a waste of money, right? The manufacturers' marketing folks got it all wrong.

4 tail pipes???

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[georgerussia 0]

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You could answer this question yourself very easily. Inner city, gan murders and drug murder are the largest part of those dieing here (no, not all)

Do a little digging. You may come to understand the point better.

I have answered this question already, but apparently some gun owners do not agree with my answer. Expecting me to "do a little digging" myself to find facts which would support their position is kinda naive.

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And school shooting in reality have declined. The reporting of those that do happen have just become more sensationalistic in nature.

Declining comparing to what?

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[kallend 2,150]

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So WHY do the manufacturers add all that stuff? Could it be that it appeals to the same immature minds that think a Camaro with racing stripes and 4 tailpipes is cool, although it doesn't go any faster or handle any better?

If the gun-o-philes only care about functionality, all that cosmetic stuff is a waste of money, right? The manufacturers' marketing folks got it all wrong.

And Mooneys and MG's exist why? I Pipers and Toyotas do the same job......

Well, Mooneys are significantly more efficient and faster than Pipers regardless of cosmetics, so
I assume you're agreeing with me

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[kallend 2,150]

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News from Washington state:

State lawmakers to seek ban on sales of semi-automatic weapons

"In response to recent shooting deaths, three state lawmakers say they want to ban the sale of military-style semi-automatic weapons in Washington. The legislation would prohibit the sale of such weapons to private citizens and require current owners to pass background checks. The ban would cover semiautomatics designed for military use that are capable of rapid-fire and can hold more than 10 rounds. Semiautomatics designed for sporting or hunting purposes wouldn't be banned..."

Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010527541_gunban17m.html

AR and SKS owners: get ready to submit yourself for a background check. I suppose this would cover M14's/M1A's, and M1 Carbines too. And of course, this background check effectively registers you with the state as an "assault weapon" owner, and someone who needs to be watched closely.

Hi John,
Ya' started a good one!! Just love this "Military style" ban?/ Funny how that goes. You've seen a standard Ruger 10/22. Saw one at the gun store day before yesterday all accessorized to look like a whiz-bang, bi-pod mounted AR- what ever the current rendition is!! It's not what they are, it's what they "look like" to the hoplaphobes. Add enough plastic forestocks and other goodies and ya' could make Davey Crockets' "Old Betsy" look like Luke Skywalker's Blaster!!

So WHY do the manufacturers add all that stuff? Could it be that it appeals to the same immature minds that think a Camaro with racing stripes and 4 tailpipes is cool, although it doesn't go any faster or handle any better?

If the gun-o-philes only care about functionality, all that cosmetic stuff is a waste of money, right? The manufacturers' marketing folks got it all wrong.

4 tail pipes???

Yep. You go to the local auto store and buy splitters: one pipe becomes two, two become four. Does nothing for the performance but looks "cool" to the immature mind.

www.autoproducts.com/products/5235847/Vibrant-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Tips-Dual-Outlet-Weld-On.htm

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[kelpdiver 2]

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I have answered this question already, but apparently some gun owners do not agree with my answer. Expecting me to "do a little digging" myself to find facts which would support their position is kinda naive.

Translation: I don't give a fuck about what's right.

[georgerussia 0]

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Translation: I don't give a fuck about what's right for you.

Fixed.

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[rushmc 23]

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You could answer this question yourself very easily. Inner city, gan murders and drug murder are the largest part of those dieing here (no, not all)

Do a little digging. You may come to understand the point better.

I have answered this question already, but apparently some gun owners do not agree with my answer. Expecting me to "do a little digging" myself to find facts which would support their position is kinda naive.

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And school shooting in reality have declined. The reporting of those that do happen have just become more sensationalistic in nature.

Declining comparing to what?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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News from Washington state:

State lawmakers to seek ban on sales of semi-automatic weapons

"In response to recent shooting deaths, three state lawmakers say they want to ban the sale of military-style semi-automatic weapons in Washington. The legislation would prohibit the sale of such weapons to private citizens and require current owners to pass background checks. The ban would cover semiautomatics designed for military use that are capable of rapid-fire and can hold more than 10 rounds. Semiautomatics designed for sporting or hunting purposes wouldn't be banned..."

Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010527541_gunban17m.html

AR and SKS owners: get ready to submit yourself for a background check. I suppose this would cover M14's/M1A's, and M1 Carbines too. And of course, this background check effectively registers you with the state as an "assault weapon" owner, and someone who needs to be watched closely.

Hi John,
Ya' started a good one!! Just love this "Military style" ban?/ Funny how that goes. You've seen a standard Ruger 10/22. Saw one at the gun store day before yesterday all accessorized to look like a whiz-bang, bi-pod mounted AR- what ever the current rendition is!! It's not what they are, it's what they "look like" to the hoplaphobes. Add enough plastic forestocks and other goodies and ya' could make Davey Crockets' "Old Betsy" look like Luke Skywalker's Blaster!!

So WHY do the manufacturers add all that stuff? Could it be that it appeals to the same immature minds that think a Camaro with racing stripes and 4 tailpipes is cool, although it doesn't go any faster or handle any better?

If the gun-o-philes only care about functionality, all that cosmetic stuff is a waste of money, right? The manufacturers' marketing folks got it all wrong.

4 tail pipes???

Yep. You go to the local auto store and buy splitters: one pipe becomes two, two become four. Does nothing for the performance but looks "cool" to the immature mind.

www.autoproducts.com/products/5235847/Vibrant-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Tips-Dual-Outlet-Weld-On.htm

To someone who likes working on autos or making something (automobiles) high performance or perform better, "dual" exhaust means something. 4 tail pipes?????

Ok, it that is what turns you on.

Resembles your posted knowledge of "scary" weapons/guns

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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The people will win.. since it is a second amendment issue.

Just like the people have won the 4th issues?

Or the 8th issues?

Altho I don't think there will be a mass collection of firearms, mass registration could be an issue and think of all the firearms that won't be registered and become felonies to the bearers of them.

nope. I sold those the other week... cash deal. nope, didn't get the guys name. He had a Dallas address on his license. Smith I think. yeah.. bill smith. that's it.

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News from Washington state:

State lawmakers to seek ban on sales of semi-automatic weapons

"In response to recent shooting deaths, three state lawmakers say they want to ban the sale of military-style semi-automatic weapons in Washington. The legislation would prohibit the sale of such weapons to private citizens and require current owners to pass background checks. The ban would cover semiautomatics designed for military use that are capable of rapid-fire and can hold more than 10 rounds. Semiautomatics designed for sporting or hunting purposes wouldn't be banned..."

Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010527541_gunban17m.html

AR and SKS owners: get ready to submit yourself for a background check. I suppose this would cover M14's/M1A's, and M1 Carbines too. And of course, this background check effectively registers you with the state as an "assault weapon" owner, and someone who needs to be watched closely.

Hi John,
Ya' started a good one!! Just love this "Military style" ban?/ Funny how that goes. You've seen a standard Ruger 10/22. Saw one at the gun store day before yesterday all accessorized to look like a whiz-bang, bi-pod mounted AR- what ever the current rendition is!! It's not what they are, it's what they "look like" to the hoplaphobes. Add enough plastic forestocks and other goodies and ya' could make Davey Crockets' "Old Betsy" look like Luke Skywalker's Blaster!!

So WHY do the manufacturers add all that stuff? Could it be that it appeals to the same immature minds that think a Camaro with racing stripes and 4 tailpipes is cool, although it doesn't go any faster or handle any better?

If the gun-o-philes only care about functionality, all that cosmetic stuff is a waste of money, right? The manufacturers' marketing folks got it all wrong.

Kalbaby,
Why did you bother responding to my post?? If I wanted to hear your stupid drivle I'd a asked ya! As I told you once before, I'm really glad that I don't know you personally. If we ever end up on the same dive on some DZ somewhere, I'll scratch off the dive. Don't worry, you'll never snivle a beer off me, you'll not only get turned down, you'll get turned face down. So comment to everyone else all you want but I'm not interested in anything you say. From what you've posted already and you claim to be a Skydiver, I'm amused that you havn't made a crater yet.

SCR-2034, SCS-680

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Kalbaby,
Why did you bother responding to my post?? If I wanted to hear your stupid drivle I'd a asked ya! As I told you once before, I'm really glad that I don't know you personally.

Then why did you reply to him? It is an open forum, and if you reply to someone, you should be ready to receive a reply. Your comment sound kinda ridiculous.

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If we ever end up on the same dive on some DZ somewhere, I'll scratch off the dive. Don't worry, you'll never snivle a beer off me, you'll not only get turned down, you'll get turned face down.

Fortunately, most skydivers do better than that, and understand that while we can disagree hard here in politics, religion and guns, we're still one large skydiving family, and there are usually better topics to discuss at bonfire than politicians, guns or Jesus. Well, bad for you then.

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That would seem to qualify as a PA.

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That would seem to qualify as a PA.

Hi kalbaby,
As you may notice, I was answering John's post about the assault weapons ban proposal. The "point" I was trying to make but you seem to not understand is the difference between what "is" and what only "looks like" an assault weapon (fire arms) face it, a base ball bat by any other term if used properly can be a mighty good "assault weapon!!" The typical off the shelf at wal-mart Ruger 10/22 at least at this point I don't think would come under the BATFE def as a "assault weapon?" but the one I saw at the gun store in Clinton the other day from just looking at it "looked" like a bi-pod mounted AR-14/15?? All the parts that went to make up this thing were "after market not by Ruger!!" parts!! Like I said, there's enough after market stuff out there that you could make Davey Crocket's "Old Betsy" look like an AR!! As if banning AR's and or registering the owners or criminalizing everyone else is going to do any good!!!! I'm sure you will shoot my comment full of holes....you seem to like to attack anything I say so bring it on!!!....I can only shake my head at what I see as a world gone completely mad. I don't know how old you are or where you grew up but I'm 64 1/2 years and I grew up in SE Louisiana. If you want to know what it was kinda like when I grew up, go find a copy of "The Old Man and the Boy" by Robert Ruark. Robert Ruark talks about his growing up and the life lessons he learned goin' fishin' and huntin' living with his grandfather. Life ain't like that any more, at least not in open society.
BTW the book should be available at your local public and or school library,....if it hasn't been declared "subversive" yet!!

BTW2, Yeah, life was kinda like Ruarks' book. Our elders taught us "Respect" for each other, our enviornment and our "Firearms!!" Todays society would probably freak out and throw our elders under the jail for child endangerment, terrorism and God knows what else if what we did then was now! Hurry on big boy, He2xl ain't half full yet!

SCR-2034, SCS-680

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4 tail pipes???

Yep. You go to the local auto store and buy splitters: one pipe becomes two, two become four. Does nothing for the performance but looks "cool" to the immature mind.

www.autoproducts.com/products/5235847/Vibrant-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Tips-Dual-Outlet-Weld-On.htm



To someone who likes working on autos or making something (automobiles) high performance or perform better, "dual" exhaust means something. 4 tail pipes?????

Ok, it that is what turns you on.

Resembles your posted knowledge of "scary" weapons/guns

Hard to decipher your tortured English, but are you saying you've NEVER seen a car with 4 tailpipes just for cosmetic reasons? I guess you don't cruise the same 'hoods as the cool teenagers.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[mnealtx 0]

You keep saying that the 'gunnies' are buying just for the 'looks' factor - are you planning to ever provide any proof of this, or is this going to be like your 'straw purchase' smokescreen in the NYC shooting thread?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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News from Washington state:

State lawmakers to seek ban on sales of semi-automatic weapons

"In response to recent shooting deaths, three state lawmakers say they want to ban the sale of military-style semi-automatic weapons in Washington. The legislation would prohibit the sale of such weapons to private citizens and require current owners to pass background checks. The ban would cover semiautomatics designed for military use that are capable of rapid-fire and can hold more than 10 rounds. Semiautomatics designed for sporting or hunting purposes wouldn't be banned..."

Source: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2010527541_gunban17m.html

AR and SKS owners: get ready to submit yourself for a background check. I suppose this would cover M14's/M1A's, and M1 Carbines too. And of course, this background check effectively registers you with the state as an "assault weapon" owner, and someone who needs to be watched closely.

Hi John,
Ya' started a good one!! Just love this "Military style" ban?/ Funny how that goes. You've seen a standard Ruger 10/22. Saw one at the gun store day before yesterday all accessorized to look like a whiz-bang, bi-pod mounted AR- what ever the current rendition is!! It's not what they are, it's what they "look like" to the hoplaphobes. Add enough plastic forestocks and other goodies and ya' could make Davey Crockets' "Old Betsy" look like Luke Skywalker's Blaster!!

So WHY do the manufacturers add all that stuff? Could it be that it appeals to the same immature minds that think a Camaro with racing stripes and 4 tailpipes is cool, although it doesn't go any faster or handle any better?

If the gun-o-philes only care about functionality, all that cosmetic stuff is a waste of money, right? The manufacturers' marketing folks got it all wrong.

Kalbaby,
Why did you bother responding to my post?? If I wanted to hear your stupid drivle I'd a asked ya! As I told you once before, I'm really glad that I don't know you personally. If we ever end up on the same dive on some DZ somewhere, I'll scratch off the dive. Don't worry, you'll never snivle a beer off me, you'll not only get turned down, you'll get turned face down. So comment to everyone else all you want but I'm not interested in anything you say. From what you've posted already and you claim to be a Skydiver, I'm amused that you havn't made a crater yet.

I'm thinking compensation might be an issue here.

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You keep saying that the 'gunnies' are buying just for the 'looks' factor - are you planning to ever provide any proof of this, or is this going to be like your 'straw purchase' smokescreen in the NYC shooting thread?

Well, since you (among others) have claimed a number of times previously that the various ban proposals select weapons to be outlawed based on "scary" looks and not on functionality, the only logical conclusion is that these weapons only differ from acceptable guns on looks and not on functionality, and therefore that people who buy such guns do so on account of the "scary" looks and not on functionality.

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You keep saying that the 'gunnies' are buying just for the 'looks' factor - are you planning to ever provide any proof of this, or is this going to be like your 'straw purchase' smokescreen in the NYC shooting thread?

Well, since you (among others) have claimed a number of times previously that the various ban proposals select weapons to be outlawed based on "scary" looks and not on functionality, the only logical conclusion is that these weapons only differ from acceptable guns on looks and not on functionality, and therefore that people who buy such guns do so on account of the "scary" looks and not on functionality.

Your "logic" is in error, since many shooters in this forum have told you they did NOT buy for this ("scary looks") reason.

But, since you obviously know so much about it, why don't you explain how the different features that compromised an 'assault weapon' change the functionality?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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You keep saying that the 'gunnies' are buying just for the 'looks' factor - are you planning to ever provide any proof of this, or is this going to be like your 'straw purchase' smokescreen in the NYC shooting thread?

Well, since you (among others) have claimed a number of times previously that the various ban proposals select weapons to be outlawed based on "scary" looks and not on functionality, the only logical conclusion is that these weapons only differ from acceptable guns on looks and not on functionality, and therefore that people who buy such guns do so on account of the "scary" looks and not on functionality.

Your "logic" is in error, since many shooters in this forum have told you they did NOT buy for this ("scary looks") reason.

ANECDOTE != ......

You seriously expect anyone to ADMIT to it?

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But, since you obviously know so much about it, why don't you explain how the different features that compromised an 'assault weapon' change the functionality?

I don't have to. Your side is that which makes the argument that functionality is NOT the issue.

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Your "logic" is in error, since many shooters in this forum have told you they did NOT buy for this ("scary looks") reason.

ANECDOTE != kallend's opinion.

Filled that out for you.

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You seriously expect anyone to ADMIT to it?

I seriously didn't expect to you to even ATTEMPT to back up your bullshit, and I wasn't disappointed.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706