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QuoteMaybe you should post a link so we are all watching the same vids.
OK, please comment on this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL6gnMHK53k
As effective as the stun guns are, they are also operated by humans who make mistakes. The examples shown in the vid are RARE! They could be the result of the plant using a less popular stun gun that does not penetrate the brain and relies far more on operator skill to render the animal unconscious. Sorry to say, it happens.
Good news is this: If you can find a way that is 100% effective you will retire a very wealthy person. The killing floor is a dangerous place to work for the very reasons shown in the vid. Slaughter houses would pay well for a method that would dispatch the animal quickly every single time and not just 99.5% of the time.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
QuoteQuoteThey pay for cheap meat.
Or pay for quality meat-you guys don't want to be around when I cook a pig-I kill it the way it prepares best.
At one of my hog roasts we had a guy up in arms after I convinced him the hog was put on the spit and over the coals while still alive. Some folks will believe anything.
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HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
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You keep saying this as if people pay for happy meat. They don't. They pay for cheap meat.
Well, a lot of people pay for tasty meat rather than cheap. But yeah, happy is pretty far down the priority list.
QuoteAgain, this is most emphatically not good for cows; those massive doses of antibiotics are needed to keep them alive while eating a completely alien (to cows) diet. But it allows them to grow far more rapidly than they would otherwise.
Sorry, Bill! You're wrong.
Yes, there are medications that are administered for growth reasons, it is not the reason that all of the meds are administered.
Most of the antibiotics administered to cattle are utilized as preventatives. They are, also, administered antihelmentics as preventatives as well. And while there are pros/cons against administering antibiotics as preventatives, the over-riding concern and requirement for their usage is for the safety of the food we consume and to prevent an outbreak among the cattle themselves while they are at the farmers and the feedlots.
Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile.
Anyone who has ever been fishing, probably dragged the
fish around for a while by a hook snagged in its insides.
Then, it was left to dehydrate, die from lack of oxygen,
or a poorly used knife.
Do they think that the fate of their grocery store
or McDonalds fish is any different?
fish around for a while by a hook snagged in its insides.
Then, it was left to dehydrate, die from lack of oxygen,
or a poorly used knife.
Do they think that the fate of their grocery store
or McDonalds fish is any different?
Andy9o8 2
QuoteAnyone who has ever been fishing, probably dragged the
fish around for a while by a hook snagged in its insides.
Then, it was left to dehydrate, die from lack of oxygen,
or a poorly used knife.
Do they think that the fate of their grocery store
or McDonalds fish is any different?
That's why those who are vegetarians on ethical grounds generally don't eat fish, either.
PLFXpert 0
QuoteA lot of those videos are from the "olden" days.
The documentary film, Earthlings, was released in the "olden" days of 2005 and took more than six years to try and obtain footage from the inside of our modern-day factory farms. (Earthlings thread link here.)
Let us not forget the 143M-pound meat recall just last year as a result of a third-party investigation of a large slaughter plant.
QuoteBy the way, here's a place to get started on the Humane Slaughter Act
"The Humane Methods of Slaughter Act does not protect chickens and other birds, which represent 90 percent of the animals slaughtered for food each year in the U.S." Citation.
QuoteAm I saying that abuse doesn't happen? Not at all. I'm sure it does and is dealt with in the ways allowed by law.
Surely, then, you can provide evidence abuse--at least most of it--is "dealt with".
Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.
QuoteQuoteAnyone who has ever been fishing, probably dragged the
fish around for a while by a hook snagged in its insides.
Then, it was left to dehydrate, die from lack of oxygen,
or a poorly used knife.
Do they think that the fate of their grocery store
or McDonalds fish is any different?
That's why those who are vegetarians on ethical grounds generally don't eat fish, either.
It has been shown that plants react to threats and danger. Maybe we shouldn't eat them either.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteQuoteQuoteAnyone who has ever been fishing, probably dragged the
fish around for a while by a hook snagged in its insides.
Then, it was left to dehydrate, die from lack of oxygen,
or a poorly used knife.
Do they think that the fate of their grocery store
or McDonalds fish is any different?
That's why those who are vegetarians on ethical grounds generally don't eat fish, either.
It has been shown that plants react to threats and danger. Maybe we shouldn't eat them either.
Bacteria have a rudimentary intelligence. If you don't poop so as to avoid murdering them, you can be full of shit.
PLFXpert 0
QuoteIt resulted in an early end to my image of a farm as a place where Bessie roamed around with a bell around her neck,...
Even that image was an agonizing one in my childhood mind. I will not even put a bell on my kitty's neck. What being wants to walk around jingling all the time? Bells are cruel. They are why I do not donate to the Salvation Army. Even when one is paid to jingle, it is still--ironically--inhumane.
Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.
More cowbell!!! 
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
PLFXpert 0
QuoteHave you ever seen the interview of Jonathan Safran Foer, author of Eating Animals?
I have not seen an interview, but just started reading that book. So far, I LOVE it! Foer makes a great case for eating dogs.
Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.
PLFXpert 0
[Agree with this post in its entirety]
QuoteThat's why many dairy farmers use rBST; if you don't know what that is, google it. It is most emphatically NOT good for cows, but it increases their output.
Reminds me of I Love Trouble. That movie really made unhealthy cow hormone interesting, yet also thought-provoking.
Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.
It has been shown that plants react to threats and danger. Maybe we shouldn't eat them either.
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Ya, they react, by sending chemicals into the air for other colony mates to prepare for invasion of a different species, seasons changing, etc. This has nothing to do with the pain an animal suffers in the event of a slaughter. Plants lack a nervous system, thus lack the nervous system firing of pain receptors. Even animals with a rudimentary nervous system can feel pain. Comparing plants and animals in this situation is conceptually incorrect.And for the record: the appropriate ranking of cool modes of transportation is jet pack, hover board, transporter, Batmobile, and THEN giant ant.
D.S. #8.8
QuoteIt has been shown that plants react to threats and danger. Maybe we shouldn't eat them either.
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Ya, they react, by sending chemicals into the air for other colony mates to prepare for invasion of a different species, seasons changing, etc. This has nothing to do with the pain an animal suffers in the event of a slaughter. Plants lack a nervous system, thus lack the nervous system firing of pain receptors. Even animals with a rudimentary nervous system can feel pain. Comparing plants and animals in this situation is conceptually incorrect.
As is basing an opinion of an entire industry on the practices of a very small percentage of that industry.HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
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It has been shown that plants react to threats and danger. Maybe we shouldn't eat them either.
In Reply To
Ya, they react, by sending chemicals into the air for other colony mates to prepare for invasion of a different species, seasons changing, etc. This has nothing to do with the pain an animal suffers in the event of a slaughter. Plants lack a nervous system, thus lack the nervous system firing of pain receptors. Even animals with a rudimentary nervous system can feel pain. Comparing plants and animals in this situation is conceptually incorrect.
It has been shown that plants react to threats and danger. Maybe we shouldn't eat them either.
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Ya, they react, by sending chemicals into the air for other colony mates to prepare for invasion of a different species, seasons changing, etc. This has nothing to do with the pain an animal suffers in the event of a slaughter. Plants lack a nervous system, thus lack the nervous system firing of pain receptors. Even animals with a rudimentary nervous system can feel pain. Comparing plants and animals in this situation is conceptually incorrect.
As is basing an opinion of an entire industry on the practices of a very small percentage of that industry.
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Its not conceptually incorrect if it IS happening in the meat industry, which is what we are talking about. Animal cruelty is taking place in the meat industry as we speak. It doesn't matter that its only a 'few' places, it matters that ITS HAPPENING. Correct me if I'm wrong, but how many poultry farms actually give their animals room to peck at fresh ground, spread their wings and walk around uninhibited, instead of standing in massive piles of shit and urine for the entirety of their life? And don't even get me going about the fact that their beaks get sawed off so they don't peck at each other or themselves or their eggs. Poultry industry, beef industry, pork industry, it doesn't make a difference what kind of animal it is, many of them are being treated cruelly throughout the entire process, are they not?
I think its so easy to turn a blind eye to it because we don't see it. And because its not broadcasted to everyone who buys a chicken breast or a t-bone at the store, we are emotionally unattached, thus more likely to not care. But the fact is, MANY mass producing farms do not treat their animals humanely. Did anyone happen to see the undercover video that came out from the KFC chicken farm?
For me, it was not hard to become a vegetarian. My distaste for the treatment of these animals outweighed my love for meat. For the last 2.5 years, I have not craved meat ONCE. Sure, its good, but I feel good knowing that something did not have to suffer, whether it be in life or death, for me to eat. Call me a granola, call me whatever you want, I am none of those things. This is not about trying to convert people, I am just telling everybody what makes me feel good personally.And for the record: the appropriate ranking of cool modes of transportation is jet pack, hover board, transporter, Batmobile, and THEN giant ant.
D.S. #8.8
QuoteIn Reply To
It has been shown that plants react to threats and danger. Maybe we shouldn't eat them either.
In Reply To
Ya, they react, by sending chemicals into the air for other colony mates to prepare for invasion of a different species, seasons changing, etc. This has nothing to do with the pain an animal suffers in the event of a slaughter. Plants lack a nervous system, thus lack the nervous system firing of pain receptors. Even animals with a rudimentary nervous system can feel pain. Comparing plants and animals in this situation is conceptually incorrect.
As is basing an opinion of an entire industry on the practices of a very small percentage of that industry.
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Its not conceptually incorrect if it IS happening in the meat industry, which is what we are talking about. Animal cruelty is taking place in the meat industry as we speak. It doesn't matter that its only a 'few' places, it matters that ITS HAPPENING. Correct me if I'm wrong, but how many poultry farms actually give their animals room to peck at fresh ground, spread their wings and walk around uninhibited, instead of standing in massive piles of shit and urine for the entirety of their life? Most are in the middle. Very few raise free range, very few let their birds sit in piss and shit.And don't even get me going about the fact that their beaks get sawed off so they don't peck at each other or themselves or their eggs. Not sawed, clipped with shears much like those used to trim a dogs toenails. And only the point is removed. Birds can't eat without a beak. Poultry industry, beef industry, pork industry, it doesn't make a difference what kind of animal it is, many of them are being treated cruelly throughout the entire process, are they not? Yes, but it is a very small number but still too many. On that we agree.
I think its so easy to turn a blind eye to it because we don't see it. And because its not broadcasted to everyone who buys a chicken breast or a t-bone at the store, we are emotionally unattached, thus more likely to not care. But the fact is, MANY mass producing farms do not treat their animals humanely. Did anyone happen to see the undercover video that came out from the KFC chicken farm?
For me, it was not hard to become a vegetarian. My distaste for the treatment of these animals outweighed my love for meat. For the last 2.5 years, I have not craved meat ONCE. Sure, its good, but I feel good knowing that something did not have to suffer, whether it be in life or death, for me to eat. Call me a granola, call me whatever you want, I am none of those things. This is not about trying to convert people, I am just telling everybody what makes me feel good personally.
Great! I'm glad you are happy with your decision. I am likewise happy with mine.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
rushmc 23
We put bells around the kitty's neck so it cant sneak up on birds and mice and drag them into the house. Save the animals from the animals.QuoteQuoteIt resulted in an early end to my image of a farm as a place where Bessie roamed around with a bell around her neck,...
Even that image was an agonizing one in my childhood mind. I will not even put a bell on my kitty's neck. What being wants to walk around jingling all the time? Bells are cruel. They are why I do not donate to the Salvation Army. Even when one is paid to jingle, it is still--ironically--inhumane.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Q: What is the difference between a bird feeder and a cat feeder?
A: How close you put it to the ground.
HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt resulted in an early end to my image of a farm as a place where Bessie roamed around with a bell around her neck,...
Even that image was an agonizing one in my childhood mind. I will not even put a bell on my kitty's neck. What being wants to walk around jingling all the time? Bells are cruel. They are why I do not donate to the Salvation Army. Even when one is paid to jingle, it is still--ironically--inhumane.
Glad someone finally came out and said it, +1.The older I get the less I care who I piss off.
Or pay for quality meat-you guys don't want to be around when I cook a pig-I kill it the way it prepares best.
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