mnealtx 0 #76 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote So you are now claiming that the FBI has the Constitutional authority to make DC a state? Which article says that? Nope, not claiming that at all - that's another one of YOUR red herrings. OK, I'll bite. What was the authority that you reckon made DC a state? You tell me - YOU are the only one saying that. Unfortunately for you, what you wrote previously hangs around on this site for all to read. Yeah, John, I decreed it and got the FBI to include DC stats with the states. Happy now? Or are you going to keep whining about it? Thanks for the gracious way you finally admitted that you were wrong. I admit mine while you never admit yours, so yes, VERY gracious in comparison. Now, show me those other 'cities' that issue their own driver's licenses and collect their own income taxes.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #77 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote So you are now claiming that the FBI has the Constitutional authority to make DC a state? Which article says that? Nope, not claiming that at all - that's another one of YOUR red herrings. OK, I'll bite. What was the authority that you reckon made DC a state? You tell me - YOU are the only one saying that. Unfortunately for you, what you wrote previously hangs around on this site for all to read. Yeah, John, I decreed it and got the FBI to include DC stats with the states. Happy now? Or are you going to keep whining about it? Thanks for the gracious way you finally admitted that you were wrong. I admit mine . Didn't have much option, did you? You denied it and tried to put it on me until you couldn't deny the evidence of your own BS coming back to haunt you. .... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #78 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote So you are now claiming that the FBI has the Constitutional authority to make DC a state? Which article says that? Nope, not claiming that at all - that's another one of YOUR red herrings. OK, I'll bite. What was the authority that you reckon made DC a state? You tell me - YOU are the only one saying that. Unfortunately for you, what you wrote previously hangs around on this site for all to read. Yeah, John, I decreed it and got the FBI to include DC stats with the states. Happy now? Or are you going to keep whining about it? Thanks for the gracious way you finally admitted that you were wrong. I admit mine . Didn't have much option, did you? You denied it and tried to put it on me until you couldn't deny the evidence of your own BS coming back to haunt you. . Nice of you to snip the rest out - I guess this means you're going to quit whining about the FBI stats, then.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #79 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote So you are now claiming that the FBI has the Constitutional authority to make DC a state? Which article says that? Nope, not claiming that at all - that's another one of YOUR red herrings. OK, I'll bite. What was the authority that you reckon made DC a state? You tell me - YOU are the only one saying that. Unfortunately for you, what you wrote previously hangs around on this site for all to read. Yeah, John, I decreed it and got the FBI to include DC stats with the states. Happy now? Or are you going to keep whining about it? Thanks for the gracious way you finally admitted that you were wrong. I admit mine . Didn't have much option, did you? You denied it and tried to put it on me until you couldn't deny the evidence of your own BS coming back to haunt you. . Nice of you to snip the rest out - I guess this means you're going to quit whining about the FBI stats, then. FBI stats are fine as long as you compare apples with apples and states with states.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #80 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Nice of you to snip the rest out - I guess this means you're going to quit whining about the FBI stats, then. FBI stats are fine as long as you compare apples with apples and states with states. Sucks to be you. Cities don't collect their own income tax or issue their own driver's licenses.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #81 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Nice of you to snip the rest out - I guess this means you're going to quit whining about the FBI stats, then. FBI stats are fine as long as you compare apples with apples and states with states. Sucks to be you. Cities don't collect their own income tax or issue their own driver's licenses. States have US Senators, a quarter under The 50 State Quarters program (Pub.L. 105-124, 111 Stat. 2534, enacted December 1, 1997) and a star on the flag. BTW, Lots of cities collect their own income tax. Cities have mayors, states have governors. It's really nice to see how gracious you are in admitting that you are wrong.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #82 December 16, 2009 Quote BTW, Lots of cities collect their own income tax. Outstanding - how many have their own state codes for postal service? How many issue their own driver's licenses? Quote It's really nice to see how gracious you are in admitting that you are wrong. Jealous because I showed more than YOU ever have? Why are we arguing this, anyway? You've already agreed that I decreed it to be a state, upthread - quit whining!!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #83 December 16, 2009 How many states have mayors? Do you have ANY idea how silly you are? DC is not a state, never was a state.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #84 December 16, 2009 Quote How many states have mayors? Do you have ANY idea how silly you are? DC is not a state, never was a state. *yawn* Complain to the FBI. Oh, wait - you can't. Since DC isn't a state, you can't put "DC" between "Washington" and the zip code when you write your letter. I guess you'll have to use "MD" and hope the post office catches it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #85 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote How many states have mayors? Do you have ANY idea how silly you are? DC is not a state, never was a state. *yawn* Complain to the FBI. Oh, wait - you can't. Since DC isn't a state, you can't put "DC" between "Washington" and the zip code when you write your letter. I guess you'll have to use "MD" and hope the post office catches it. Do you enjoy presenting yourself as really stupid? Washington DC is a city. It has a mayor. Even FOX News says so.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #86 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Quote How many states have mayors? Do you have ANY idea how silly you are? DC is not a state, never was a state. *yawn* Complain to the FBI. Oh, wait - you can't. Since DC isn't a state, you can't put "DC" between "Washington" and the zip code when you write your letter. I guess you'll have to use "MD" and hope the post office catches it. Do you enjoy presenting yourself as really stupid? Washington DC is a city. It has a mayor. Even FOX News says so. News flash - YOU are the one kicking over the teakettle about it. As I said - feel free to whine to the FBI about their stats. There's somebody looking 'really stupid' here, but it's not me.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #87 December 16, 2009 Any change we could get a moderator to settle this DC city/state matter once and for all? It's been a lame multiyear experience that shows no sign of going away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #88 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote And yet, are we any safer today than in 1959? Hmmm. Are you implying that we are less safe due to guns? It apparently works in Switzerland. Why Switzerland Has The Lowest Crime Rate In The World http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nf1OgV449gLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #89 December 16, 2009 Quote You are getting desperate if that's your argument. Once again you show the best you can do is try to distract when you can act with facts. Even Kelpdiver called it with, "You know the drill, Ron. He stepped on his dick, got caught, and is now frantically denying his zipper was even open. " Quote I didn't try to prove a correlation Maybe not in THAT post, but you have a clear history that shows your position over and over. Quote You leapt in with that ASSumption. Again, the best you seem able to do is to try and make it personal. Childish. Quote Defensive, aren't you? Offensive, aren't you?"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #90 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote You are getting desperate if that's your argument. Once again you show the best you can do is try to distract when you can act with facts. Even Kelpdiver called it with, "You know the drill, Ron. He stepped on his dick, got caught, and is now frantically denying his zipper was even open. " kelpdiver, was of course, just trying to cover his own ass for his mistakes and errors that were clearly documented cite by cite HERE Quote Quote I didn't try to prove a correlation Maybe not in THAT post, but you have a clear history that shows your position over and over. Couldn't find anything, eh?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #91 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Quote And yet, are we any safer today than in 1959? Hmmm. Are you implying that we are less safe due to guns? It apparently works in Switzerland. Why Switzerland Has The Lowest Crime Rate In The World MYTH, Switzerland doesn't have the lowest crime rate in the world.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #92 December 16, 2009 Quote kelpdiver, was of course, just trying to cover his own ass for his mistakes and errors that were clearly documented cite by cite Just like you distract to prevent from admitting you were wrong. Quote Couldn't find anything, eh? On the contrary.... I found so much that I realize that you just continue to ignore the facts when it suits you."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #93 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Couldn't find anything, eh? On the contrary.... I found so much that I realize that you just continue to ignore the facts when it suits you. Couldn't find anything, could you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #94 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Source? Been shown over and over... You just ignore it. Couldn't find anything, could you?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #95 December 16, 2009 Quote Any change we could get a moderator to settle this DC city/state matter once and for all?. It's interesting to watch people argue over whether the only apple in the basket is really a strawberry or a banana. Oop! Time for more popcorn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 871 #96 December 16, 2009 Can you grab two beers also? A Guinness, a Newcastle, and a Boddingtons please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #97 December 16, 2009 Quote It's interesting to watch people argue over whether the only apple in the basket is really a strawberry or a banana. Yep, and there's certain people who just can't be satisfied having said their piece, and then letting reasonable minds decide for themselves. These folks have egos that just won't let them quit - they absolutely MUST have the last word. It's as if they think the person who repeats their mantra last, wins. Actually, the person who decides that enough is enough, and walks away with dignity is the winner. Those who continue saying the same thing over and over again, in an attempt to be last, aren't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #98 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote As long as it's within your own borders, who cares? You'll never enter any European destination, so again, who cares? I'll be in Europe next year, but I don't mind leaving my guns at home while I'm there. Europe's a nice place to visit. Europeans sure make some wonderful firearms, too. I love my H&K. Yep. Heckler & Koch is one solid producer. But, please do not dream about buying any gun here. It's impossible (except the black market, of course, but: after, once caught, you'll not leave our old dirty Europe for a long time ) Have a wonderful time in Europe (every country still is different, even we're called *Europeans*.) dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #99 December 16, 2009 Quote Yep. Heckler & Koch is one solid producer. But, please do not dream about buying any gun here. It's impossible (except the black market, of course, but: after, once caught, you'll not leave our old dirty Europe for a long time ) Have a wonderful time in Europe (every country still is different, even we're called *Europeans*.) Nah... they're easy enough to get here, so why go through the hassle? =) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nerdgirl 0 #100 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Quote And yet, are we any safer today than in 1959? Hmmm. Are you implying that we are less safe due to guns? It apparently works in Switzerland. Why Switzerland Has The Lowest Crime Rate In The World http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nf1OgV449g Some data on the issues, which we’ve discussed previously on the board, which you may have not seen. Looking at homicides via firearms: US is #8 w/3.6 firearm associated homicides per 100,000 people. Between Mexico (#7), altho' that may be slightly dated, and Belarus (#9). Switzerland isn't in the top 32. Relative rankings on crime show that Switzerland (#13) has a higher burglary rate than the US (#17) (overall incidence, those with guns not specified). The UK (#7), according to the data, has an even higher rate of burglaries (& ~5 1/2 guns per person). Finland is #5 in burglaries, with a higher per capita rate of gun ownership (56 per 100 people) than Switzerland (46 per 100 people), although less than the US (~90 per 100 people). US rate of ownership of guns (estimates range from 83 to 97 per 100 people) is higher than the gun ownership rate in Switzerland (average estimate of 48 per 100 people). The estimate for Iraq in 2007 was 38 per 100 people and Yemen was 61 guns per 100 people. See, e.g., graphic attached to [1969912]’s post from Dec07 here, which is derived from primary data here. If one compares that with firearms per 100 people (a less than perfect measure of availability), I don’t see any correlation. Variables that have been found to correlate to high levels of gun ownership are (1) wealthy countries or (2) countries with recent, intense violent conflicts. The former is the case for US & western Europe; the latter reflects the situations in places like Angola and Columbia. See page 21 of the report noted above for a graph showing the range of GDPs and correlation with per capita civilian gun ownership. The authors discuss where that model breaks down, which it does. Where does gun ownership intersect with gun violence? My hypothesis is that there will not be a direct dependency found. I still speculate that one is likely to find a stronger (altho' not perfect, as the data I presented there shows) correlation btw affirmative gun rights and affirmative civil rights. And in that way I can annoy a whole lotta folks cause it doesn't fit neatly into any set of US domestic politics. Not the goal ... but a consequence. /Marg Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters. Tibetan Buddhist saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
