I was wrong about global warming

[billvon 3,120]

>How about data from actual climate scientists who are deniers? Give us
>their data.

Dog ate their data. But it was incontrovertible, let me tell you. And as soon as they reconstruct it, it will be the last nail in the coffin for AGW! Or another last nail in the coffin. Well, one of the very last nails to be sure.

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The "deniers" are getting there info from actual data not predictions which the global warming theorist are still relying on.

I have yet to see data from a reliable source that disproves global warming. Can you present that here?

LOVE to oblige you on that, but it was the AGW alarmists that blocked peer review, pressured publishers not to accept papers from 'deniers', etc... and you wonder WHY we doubt their honesty?

How about data from actual climate scientists who are deniers? Give us their data.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/

Its a start huh


http://www.drroyspencer.com/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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>How about data from actual climate scientists who are deniers? Give us
>their data.

Dog ate their data. But it was incontrovertible, let me tell you. And as soon as they reconstruct it, it will be the last nail in the coffin for AGW! Or another last nail in the coffin. Well, one of the very last nails to be sure.

At least that would be an acident as opposed to 'dumping' it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[mnealtx 0]

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The "deniers" are getting there info from actual data not predictions which the global warming theorist are still relying on.

I have yet to see data from a reliable source that disproves global warming. Can you present that here?

LOVE to oblige you on that, but it was the AGW alarmists that blocked peer review, pressured publishers not to accept papers from 'deniers', etc... and you wonder WHY we doubt their honesty?

How about data from actual climate scientists who are deniers? Give us their data.

I'm sure that when the lawsuits force Hansen/Mann et al to release the raw data and adjustments, that we'll see a fair number of papers come out.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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… but it was the AGW alarmists that blocked peer review, pressured publishers not to accept papers from 'deniers', etc...

Not submitting or not making it through the peer review process is not the same as being blocked.

***I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow - even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !
Cheers
Phil***

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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The "deniers" are getting there info from actual data not predictions which the global warming theorist are still relying on.

I have yet to see data from a reliable source that disproves global warming. Can you present that here?

LOVE to oblige you on that, but it was the AGW alarmists that blocked peer review, pressured publishers not to accept papers from 'deniers', etc... and you wonder WHY we doubt their honesty?

How about data from actual climate scientists who are deniers? Give us their data.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/

Its a start huh


http://www.drroyspencer.com/

He is also known for his advancement in creationism and intelligent design

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_%28scientist%29

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The "deniers" are getting there info from actual data not predictions which the global warming theorist are still relying on.

I have yet to see data from a reliable source that disproves global warming. Can you present that here?

LOVE to oblige you on that, but it was the AGW alarmists that blocked peer review, pressured publishers not to accept papers from 'deniers', etc... and you wonder WHY we doubt their honesty?

How about data from actual climate scientists who are deniers? Give us their data.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/research-articles/

Its a start huh


http://www.drroyspencer.com/

He is also known for his advancement in creationism and intelligent design

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_%28scientist%29

you used wiki



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About Dr. Roy Spencer
Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science Team leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer flying on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He has provided congressional testimony several times on the subject of global warming.

Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government
>agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil
>company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.

True. But he is a member of the Heartland Institute, which is heavily funded by Exxon-Mobil (and many other oil companies.)

I find the more people proclaim their independence from oil company funding the more likely it is that they are actually funded by such organizations. Sure fooled you.

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>Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government
>agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil
>company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.

True. But he is a member of the Heartland Institute, which is heavily funded by Exxon-Mobil (and many other oil companies.)

I find the more people proclaim their independence from oil company funding the more likely it is that they are actually funded by such organizations. Sure fooled you.

So, I guess he is not allowed to reply by the shit thrown by the AWG follwers?

I find the more people who try and claim others lack of indiependance dare not take the subject on with those they attack for fear of failure if they did.

Sure exposed you

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>So, I guess he is not allowed to reply by the shit thrown by the
>AWG follwers?

Not at all; I didn't say that. Nor should other people be dissuaded from commenting on the shit he spews.

>I find the more people who try and claim lack others of indiependance
>dare not take the subject on with those they attack for fear failure if they
>did.

You're projecting again. You posted something that claimed he received no oil money; I pointed out that he works for an organization heavily funded by the oil industry. That's it. If that makes you get all defensive and angry, that's your problem.

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sure you believe that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=roy+spencer+exxon

Surely you have someone else bringing real, non-creationist, science to the table?

[rushmc 23]

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>So, I guess he is not allowed to reply by the shit thrown by the
>AWG follwers?

Not at all; I didn't say that. Nor should other people be dissuaded from commenting on the shit he spews.

>I find the more people who try and claim lack others of indiependance
>dare not take the subject on with those they attack for fear failure if they
>did.

You're projecting again. You posted something that claimed he received no oil money; I pointed out that he works for an organization heavily funded by the oil industry. That's it. If that makes you get all defensive and angry, that's your problem.

Not angry at all. If you heard that in ther then you heard yourself as I copied your post style for effect

It worked

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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sure you believe that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=roy+spencer+exxon

Surely you have someone else bringing real, non-creationist, science to the table?

People such as you have to bury things in irrelavent shit. So, do you have a point?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>Not angry at all. If you heard that in ther then you heard yourself as
>I copied your post style for effect . . .

Hmm, so you were just stirring shit. Fair enough; I apologize for taking your usual shit seriously.

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Sure fooled you.

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From: Mike Hulme
To: Simon.Shackley@xxxxxxxxx.xxx
Subject: Re: industrial and commercial contacts
Date: Mon Jan 10 17:01:32 2000

Simon,

I have talked with Tim O'Riordan and others here today and Tim has a wealth of contacts he is prepared to help with. Four specific ones from Tim are:

- Charlotte Grezo, BP Fuel Options (possibly on the Assessment Panel. She is also on the ESRC Research Priorities Board), but someone Tim can easily talk with. There are others in BP Tim knows too.
- Richard Sykes, Head of Environment Division at Shell International
- Chris Laing, Managing Director, Laing Construction (also maybe someone at Bovis)
- ??, someone high-up in Unilever whose name escapes me.

And then Simon Gerrard here in our Risk Unit suggested the following personal contacts:

- ??, someone senior at AMEC Engineering in Yarmouth (involved with North Sea industry and wind energy)
- Richard Powell, Director of the East of England Development Board

You can add these to your list and I can ensure that Tim and Simon feed the right material through once finalised.

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I am sending a draft of the generic version of the letter eliciting
>support and the 2 page summary to Mike to look over. Then this can be
>used as a basis for letter writing by the Tyndall contact (the person
>in brackets).
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>Mr Alan Wood CEO Siemens plc [Nick Jenkins]
>Mr Mike Hughes CE Midlands Electricity (Visiting Prof at UMIST) [Nick
>Jenkins]
>Mr Keith Taylor, Chairman and CEO of Esso UK (John
>Shepherd]
>Mr Brian Duckworth, Managing Director, Severn-Trent Water
>[Mike Hulme]
>Dr Jeremy Leggett, Director, Solar Century [Mike Hulme]
>Mr Brian Ford, Director of Quality, United Utilities plc [Simon
>Shackley]
>Dr Andrew Dlugolecki, CGU [Jean Palutikof]
>Dr Ted Ellis, VP Building Products, Pilkington plc [Simon Shackley]
>Mr Mervyn Pedalty, CEO, Cooperative Bank plc [Simon Shackley]
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>Possibles:
>Mr John Loughhead, Technology Director ALSTOM [Nick Jenkins]
>Mr Edward Hyams, Managing Director Eastern Generation [Nick
>Jenkins]
>Dr David Parry, Director Power Technology Centre, Powergen
>[Nick Jenkins]
>Mike Townsend, Director, The Woodland Trust [Melvin
>Cannell]
>Mr Paul Rutter, BP Amoco [via Terry Lazenby, UMIST]

I also seem to recall a paper that showed several BILLION dollars in grants to AGW alarmists vs. about 100 million to skeptics. I'll have to see if I can find it again.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rushmc 23]

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>Not angry at all. If you heard that in ther then you heard yourself as
>I copied your post style for effect . . .

Hmm, so you were just stirring shit. Fair enough; I apologize for taking your usual shit seriously.

You dont have to apologize as I just tossed YOUR shit back at you.

Sorry that is so hard for you to take

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

they have a hard time discrediting Dr Spencer

Oh they will try but there are few to be found with equal or more qualifications (and experience) than he. On either side of the issue

But to them (AWG faith followers) he is a heretic

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 3,120]

>Sorry that is so hard for you to take

Not hard at all. You've admitted you were just stirring shit; have at it. That's what this forum is for, after all - so that people in the regular forums don't have to put up with your shit-stirring. It makes my job considerably easier when you keep such nonsense in here.

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sure you believe that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=roy+spencer+exxon

Surely you have someone else bringing real, non-creationist, science to the table?

People such as you have to bury things in irrelavent shit. So, do you have a point?

Just hundreds of results about his connections with exxon-mobile. Sorry I burried it too deep for people such as you

[rushmc 23]

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>Sorry that is so hard for you to take

Not hard at all. You've admitted you were just stirring shit; have at it. That's what this forum is for, after all - so that people in the regular forums don't have to put up with your shit-stirring. It makes my job considerably easier when you keep such nonsense in here.

Well, I just kept stirring it in the same direction you started

It iis interesting how you evaluated your posting style though.

It can be hard when one is forced to learn something about ones self

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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sure you believe that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=roy+spencer+exxon

Surely you have someone else bringing real, non-creationist, science to the table?

People such as you have to bury things in irrelavent shit. So, do you have a point?

Just hundreds of results about his connections with exxon-mobile. Sorry I burried it too deep for people such as you

And who are those making the claims???

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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sure you believe that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=roy+spencer+exxon

Surely you have someone else bringing real, non-creationist, science to the table?

People such as you have to bury things in irrelavent shit. So, do you have a point?

Just hundreds of results about his connections with exxon-mobile. Sorry I burried it too deep for people such as you

And who are those making the claims???

Oh that's right, everyone else is just in on the conspiracy

[rushmc 23]

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>Dr. Spencer’s research has been entirely supported by U.S. government
>agencies: NASA, NOAA, and DOE. He has never been asked by any oil
>company to perform any kind of service. Not even Exxon-Mobil.

True. But he is a member of the Heartland Institute, which is heavily funded by Exxon-Mobil (and many other oil companies.)

I find the more people proclaim their independence from oil company funding the more likely it is that they are actually funded by such organizations. Sure fooled you.

Hmmmmm

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Amid the thousands of files apparently lifted from Britain’s Climate Research Unit (CRU) last week sit two documents on the subject of the unit’s funding. One is a spreadsheet (pdj_grant_since1990.xls) logging the various grants CRU chief P.D. Jones has received since 1990. It lists 55 such endowments from agencies ranging from the U.S. Department of Energy to NATO, worth a total of £13,718,547, or approximately $22.6 million. I guess cooking climate data can be an expensive habit, particularly for an oft-quoted and highly exalted U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) chief climatologist.

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But it’s actually the second document (potential-funding.doc) that tells the more compelling tale. In addition to four government sources of potential CRU funding, it lists an equal number of "energy agencies" they might put the bite on. Three -- the Carbon Trust, the Northern Energy Initiative, and the Energy Saving Trust -- are U.K.-based consultancy and funding specialists promoting "new energy" technologies with the goal of reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The fourth -- Renewables North West -- is an American company promoting the expansion of solar, wind, and geothermal energy in the Pacific Northwest.

Ouch

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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sure you believe that?

http://www.google.com/search?q=roy+spencer+exxon

Surely you have someone else bringing real, non-creationist, science to the table?

People such as you have to bury things in irrelavent shit. So, do you have a point?

Just hundreds of results about his connections with exxon-mobile. Sorry I burried it too deep for people such as you

And who are those making the claims???

Oh that's right, everyone else is just in on the conspiracy

STEEEEEEEERIKE Two

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Oh that's right, everyone else is just in on the conspiracy

Why don't you come on up to Alberta and pay us a visit.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2009/12/13/calgary-frigid-weather.html

That's right -48 Celcius (-58C windchill). For all you people who can't read metric (well the entire world uses metric ... why can't you?) that would be -54 Fahrenheit (a -72 Fahrenheit windchill). Come on up to Alberta and pay us a visit. Tell us how warm it is. It's only a balming -25C (-34C windchill) right now in Calgary.

I am concerned about possible cancer causing toxins in our air and cancer causing toxins in our water. I fully support cleaning up the pollution in the industrial world (which now included China and India). But climategate is a scam. A socialist plot to change the world and some of you fools are all to happy to buy into Al Gore's Carbon Trading scam. Give me a freak'in break. All that will do will allow Al "I invented the internet" and his band of thieves to live in bigger and bigger homes as they jet sets around the world in their fleet of private jets buying more and more propaganda carbon credits.

Cancer causing toxins ... absolutely ... clean them up.
Climategate ...

Seriously ... come on up to the Canadian prairies and experience what -30C feels like. It's easy to talk about Global Warming and talk about wealth distribution to your favorite banana republic when you're not living in -30C conditions.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over