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kallend 2,113
QuoteQuote>>The Bible also speaks out about male bisexuality homosexuality (Leviticus
>>18:22, 20:13), so what conclusions are we to draw? Shocked
>You misread the Scripture.
Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them."
Revelation 14:3-5 "They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of God."
I'd love to see the "correct" interpretation of those.
Leviticus 20:13 (New American Standard Bible)
13'(A)If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.
The NAS seems to compare one to many. Therefore, both males have committed an abomination.
In regard to Rev 14:3-5, I'm not clear on your point. This Scripture refers to the 12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes of Israel. The prophecy indicates they will be virgins, Ergo, no sexual experience. Jesus Christ of Nazareth is their first and only love. It is a spiritually committed relationship and therefore not physical. That is how I read it.
Either your God is omnipotent and omniscient, or not. Either the Bible is the revealed word of God, or it isn't. You can't have it both ways.
I am unclear as to why the revealed word of an omniscient omnipotent god would be so open to misinterpretations, mistranslations, contradictions and disagreements even among the believers in said god.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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>Well shucks, either Jesus is a liar or your word bite interpretation of the
>Bible is incorrect.
Or:
Jesus was telling what people in his time would hear as the truth, not necessarily what people 2000 years later would hear as the truth.
Or:
During the long oral tradition, transcription and translation process that got us the Bible of today, a few errors/misunderstandings crept in.
Or:
The religions that controlled translation and dissemination of the Bible were not unbiased, and may have inserted/altered a few things that gave them more power.
Or:
Literal translation of the Bible into a history or a science book is a foolish endeavor.
Take your pick.
>Those who reject God never seem to need much to justify their decision.
Sadly, those who accept God often have even less. All too often, casual religious faith is based on ignorance.
>Bible is incorrect.
Or:
Jesus was telling what people in his time would hear as the truth, not necessarily what people 2000 years later would hear as the truth.
Or:
During the long oral tradition, transcription and translation process that got us the Bible of today, a few errors/misunderstandings crept in.
Or:
The religions that controlled translation and dissemination of the Bible were not unbiased, and may have inserted/altered a few things that gave them more power.
Or:
Literal translation of the Bible into a history or a science book is a foolish endeavor.
Take your pick.
>Those who reject God never seem to need much to justify their decision.
Sadly, those who accept God often have even less. All too often, casual religious faith is based on ignorance.
QuoteI am unclear as to why the revealed word of an omniscient omnipotent god would be so open to misinterpretations, mistranslations, contradictions and disagreements even among the believers in said god.
Because the Word is not revealed to everyone...
"At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure."
The revelations in Christ are for the humble in heart.
"We didn't start the fire"
QuoteSadly, those who accept God often have even less. All too often, casual religious faith is based on ignorance.
I agree with this and can tell it was written with sensativity, but Jesus speaks of casual religious faith all throughout the Gospel, so its no secret to me at least. He says to practice what he preaches, and your comment before seems true enough, that people dont understand who/what Christ is because they dont know what he preached in the first place. But, none of that has an impact on the truth itself which was sealed in its own blood. People can say whatever they like unfortunately, but no one can un-crucify Jesus. We cant look into the deeper revelations of the spirit of God without grace.
I know you have reserves as to the continuity of the bible being correctly transcribed throughout the ages, and either it is radically altered, or its not, but it doesnt change the fact that the lessons given to us in Christ are lessons in love. A man can spend a lifetime convinced that he is "going to heaven" based on what he has studied and learned, but if love is not understood and practiced, then the main theme of the Word of God was sadly missed.
"We didn't start the fire"
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QuoteQuoteI am unclear as to why the revealed word of an omniscient omnipotent god would be so open to misinterpretations, mistranslations, contradictions and disagreements even among the believers in said god.
Because the Word is not revealed to everyone...
"At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure."
The revelations in Christ are for the humble in heart.
Yes, just as fossils "ostensibly" millions of years old were actually seeded by God 5,000 years ago to test our faith.
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BTW, I know plenty of humble atheists, just as I know plenty of arrogant yet devout theists. Nobody has a corner on the market of either attribute.
kallend 2,113
QuoteQuoteI am unclear as to why the revealed word of an omniscient omnipotent god would be so open to misinterpretations, mistranslations, contradictions and disagreements even among the believers in said god.
Because the Word is not revealed to everyone...
Just to the elite, like you, eh? And the other so-called "Christians" who have different interpretations from yours are simply heretics.
God job the church has given up on burnings at the stake.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteJust to the elite, like you, eh? And the other so-called "Christians" who have different interpretations from yours are simply heretics.
God job the church has given up on burnings at the stake.
Im afraid it seems that would be something you would say. Given your posts about beievers at least. So many of you seem to enjoy beating up on the meek. You can call me whatever you like, but what I have spoken on here is the truth as it is reflected in the Gospel. Its not mine, its Jesus'. Im not as interested in "convincing" people as you seem to think, but you are convinced that I am and therefore you trample my testimony as foolish nonsense. I cant help that, but what have you offered any of these conversations? Where is your heart? What do you believe? None of you have done anything but strengthen and sharpen what i believe in Christ. The truth continues to get clearer and clearer in my head, and if that makes me an "elite", i would hope that it is elite enough to transcend Gods love to others.
But you are sadly mistaken... I am not the elite. I am just a very gratefu,l poor, and weak man who is/has nothing without God.
I wonder what you wouldve said to some of the greatest examples of Christianity throughout history? As someone is feeding the poor in the name of Christ, your in the crowd using the same voice you use in here. I could be wrong, but your not showing me that to be honest.
"We didn't start the fire"
According to Dr. Tony Compolo, the only reason for Christmas is Easter. When looking at the life of Jesus Christ of Nazareth it is not His birth that is important. The emphasis is on His death. That was His sole purpose for incarnation.
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