mnealtx 0 #251 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWrong again. I claimed that lifestyle choices were a stronger factor than medical care in regards to longevity. That was backed up by various studies and info from the CDC, AHA, etc. Any talk of 'comparisons' is YOUR collection of strawmen, looking for a brain. Irrelevant to the discussion. You're right, your argument WAS irrelevant to the discussion. Did you learn that style of response in 1st grade or kindergarten? From your responses to us lumpenprole, why do you ask?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #252 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWrong again. I claimed that lifestyle choices were a stronger factor than medical care in regards to longevity. That was backed up by various studies and info from the CDC, AHA, etc. Any talk of 'comparisons' is YOUR collection of strawmen, looking for a brain. Irrelevant to the discussion. You're right, your argument WAS irrelevant to the discussion. Did you learn that style of response in 1st grade or kindergarten? From your responses to us lumpenprole, why do you ask? Goodnight.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #253 December 16, 2009 Going from bribes to threats...gotta love that Chicago style politics! Link QuoteWhile the Democrats appease Senator Lieberman, they still have to worry about other recalcitrant Democrats including Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson. Though Lieberman has been out front in the fight against the public option and the Medicare buy-in, Nelson was critical of both. Now that those provisions appear to have been stripped from the bill, Lieberman may get on board, but Nelson's demand that taxpayer money not be used to fund abortion has still not been met. According to a Senate aide, the White House is now threatening to put Nebraska's Offutt Air Force Base on the BRAC list if Nelson doesn't fall into line.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #254 December 16, 2009 QuoteGoing from bribes to threats...gotta love that Chicago style politics! Link QuoteWhile the Democrats appease Senator Lieberman, they still have to worry about other recalcitrant Democrats including Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson. Though Lieberman has been out front in the fight against the public option and the Medicare buy-in, Nelson was critical of both. Now that those provisions appear to have been stripped from the bill, Lieberman may get on board, but Nelson's demand that taxpayer money not be used to fund abortion has still not been met. According to a Senate aide, the White House is now threatening to put Nebraska's Offutt Air Force Base on the BRAC list if Nelson doesn't fall into line. "Politics ain't beanbag"... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #255 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteGoing from bribes to threats...gotta love that Chicago style politics! Link QuoteWhile the Democrats appease Senator Lieberman, they still have to worry about other recalcitrant Democrats including Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson. Though Lieberman has been out front in the fight against the public option and the Medicare buy-in, Nelson was critical of both. Now that those provisions appear to have been stripped from the bill, Lieberman may get on board, but Nelson's demand that taxpayer money not be used to fund abortion has still not been met. According to a Senate aide, the White House is now threatening to put Nebraska's Offutt Air Force Base on the BRAC list if Nelson doesn't fall into line. "Politics ain't beanbag" "Nice base ya got here, Senator...be a shame if something were to happen to it"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #256 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteGoing from bribes to threats...gotta love that Chicago style politics! Link QuoteWhile the Democrats appease Senator Lieberman, they still have to worry about other recalcitrant Democrats including Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson. Though Lieberman has been out front in the fight against the public option and the Medicare buy-in, Nelson was critical of both. Now that those provisions appear to have been stripped from the bill, Lieberman may get on board, but Nelson's demand that taxpayer money not be used to fund abortion has still not been met. According to a Senate aide, the White House is now threatening to put Nebraska's Offutt Air Force Base on the BRAC list if Nelson doesn't fall into line. "Politics ain't beanbag" "Nice base ya got here, Senator...be a shame if something were to happen to it" Gee you mean like all the bases that the George the First's base closure committee closed as part of the peace dividend that you and others in the military blame on Clinton. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #257 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGoing from bribes to threats...gotta love that Chicago style politics! Link QuoteWhile the Democrats appease Senator Lieberman, they still have to worry about other recalcitrant Democrats including Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson. Though Lieberman has been out front in the fight against the public option and the Medicare buy-in, Nelson was critical of both. Now that those provisions appear to have been stripped from the bill, Lieberman may get on board, but Nelson's demand that taxpayer money not be used to fund abortion has still not been met. According to a Senate aide, the White House is now threatening to put Nebraska's Offutt Air Force Base on the BRAC list if Nelson doesn't fall into line. "Politics ain't beanbag" "Nice base ya got here, Senator...be a shame if something were to happen to it" Gee you mean like all the bases that the George the First's base closure committee closed as part of the peace dividend that you and others in the military blame on Clinton. I don't know of GHWB threatening to close any bases to pressure Senators, but if you have any info I'd be interested in hearing it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #258 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGoing from bribes to threats...gotta love that Chicago style politics! Link QuoteWhile the Democrats appease Senator Lieberman, they still have to worry about other recalcitrant Democrats including Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson. Though Lieberman has been out front in the fight against the public option and the Medicare buy-in, Nelson was critical of both. Now that those provisions appear to have been stripped from the bill, Lieberman may get on board, but Nelson's demand that taxpayer money not be used to fund abortion has still not been met. According to a Senate aide, the White House is now threatening to put Nebraska's Offutt Air Force Base on the BRAC list if Nelson doesn't fall into line. "Politics ain't beanbag" "Nice base ya got here, Senator...be a shame if something were to happen to it" Gee you mean like all the bases that the George the First's base closure committee closed as part of the peace dividend that you and others in the military blame on Clinton. I don't know of GHWB threatening to close any bases to pressure Senators, but if you have any info I'd be interested in hearing it. Compare and contrast the bases closed and who was representiung those congressional districts at the time.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Realignment_and_Closure Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #259 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGoing from bribes to threats...gotta love that Chicago style politics! Link QuoteWhile the Democrats appease Senator Lieberman, they still have to worry about other recalcitrant Democrats including Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson. Though Lieberman has been out front in the fight against the public option and the Medicare buy-in, Nelson was critical of both. Now that those provisions appear to have been stripped from the bill, Lieberman may get on board, but Nelson's demand that taxpayer money not be used to fund abortion has still not been met. According to a Senate aide, the White House is now threatening to put Nebraska's Offutt Air Force Base on the BRAC list if Nelson doesn't fall into line. "Politics ain't beanbag" "Nice base ya got here, Senator...be a shame if something were to happen to it" Gee you mean like all the bases that the George the First's base closure committee closed as part of the peace dividend that you and others in the military blame on Clinton. I don't know of GHWB threatening to close any bases to pressure Senators, but if you have any info I'd be interested in hearing it. Compare and contrast the bases closed and who was representiung those congressional districts at the time.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Realignment_and_Closure I'll repeat: I don't know of GHWB threatening to close any bases to pressure Senators, but if you have any info I'd be interested in hearing it.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #260 December 16, 2009 You can't really be THAT blind... Mike..for a supposedly smart guy ... you are so eat up with worhiping the Bush family that it boggles... http://www.answers.com/topic/military-base-closings Quote In 1990, Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney announced a second list of proposed base closings without relying on a commission. This caused an outcry in Congress, where the Democratic majority believed that the list contained too many bases in states or districts represented by Democrats. The chair of the House Armed Services Committee, Les Aspin of Wisconsin, recommended that a second commission propose another list, and in October 1990 Congress approved the creation of such a commission. In 1991 the commission presented its list, which called for the closure of thirty-four bases and the realignment of another forty-eight. Congress accepted these recommendations and stated that the secretary of defense must consider closing overseas bases as well. The point MIKE is that it did happen.. and it was GHWB who started that which YOU blame Clinton for.. but we expect that. Its just your nature. Your inability to grasp how things work in your party is just staggering. BUSH GOOD... CLINTON EVIL>>>> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #261 December 16, 2009 Quote You can't really be THAT blind... Mike..for a supposedly smart guy ... you are so eat up with worhiping the Bush family that it boggles... http://www.answers.com/topic/military-base-closings Quote In 1990, Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney announced a second list of proposed base closings without relying on a commission. This caused an outcry in Congress, where the Democratic majority believed that the list contained too many bases in states or districts represented by Democrats. The chair of the House Armed Services Committee, Les Aspin of Wisconsin, recommended that a second commission propose another list, and in October 1990 Congress approved the creation of such a commission. In 1991 the commission presented its list, which called for the closure of thirty-four bases and the realignment of another forty-eight. Congress accepted these recommendations and stated that the secretary of defense must consider closing overseas bases as well. The point MIKE is that it did happen.. and it was GHWB who started that which YOU blame Clinton for.. but we expect that. Its just your nature. Your inability to grasp how things work in your party is just staggering. BUSH GOOD... CLINTON EVIL>>>> WRONG again. Nobody mentioned Bush/Clinton in regards to BRAC until YOU brought it up, Jeanne - try reading what I ACTUALLY wrote. Now - care to speak to OBAMA supposedly threatening a Senator with a base closure?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #262 December 16, 2009 Why.. you obviously dont know what politics is all about.. or the lengths you guys went to to ruin the economies of democratic districts in the name of right wing rePUBIClown politics. I could provide link after link after link and you will still come up with excuse after justification after excuse.. yay for you.You said Quote Nice base ya got here, Senator...be a shame if something were to happen to it" If you dont think that happened over an over under the Bush regimes.. I am truely sorry for your cognitive abilities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #263 December 16, 2009 QuoteThe reality: All this debate is meaningless as there is no grant of power, under the constitution, for the government to have any involvement in healthcare. The government also shouldn't have any involvement in drugs or currently legal crops that don't move across state lines but they do. Quote Reporter: "What part of the constitution do you think gives congress the authority to mandate individuals have to purchase health insurance?" The commerce clause of course. Able bodied citizens are required for companies to compete in interstate commerce. Citizens with health insurance are more likely to get treatment for medical conditions making them able to work productively. Therefore Congress has the ability to mandate health insurance for citizens. As an engineer I like to simplify things while a real Congress Critter would take more sentences to get to that point. Quote If you don't like the constitution go somewhere else! This is not a democracy! Its a republic! It's an oligarchy with some limits imposed by existing governing documents like the Constitution and limited democratic input which keeps things from getting too egregious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #264 December 16, 2009 Quote Why.. you obviously dont know what politics is all about.. or the lengths you guys went to to ruin the economies of democratic districts in the name of right wing rePUBIClown politics. I could provide link after link after link and you will still come up with excuse after justification after excuse.. yay for you.You said Quote Nice base ya got here, Senator...be a shame if something were to happen to it" If you dont think that happened over an over under the Bush regime.. Gee, I must have missed how GHWB personally appointed every member of the BRAC board - can you show me where that is in the webpage you posted? All I can find is this: "Instead, it voted in 1988 to create an independent, bipartisan advisory commission to the Pentagon to propose lists of bases for closure." Quote I am truely sorry for your cognitive abilities. Nice PA. I'll let you get back to looking up those appointments - let me know when you find them, ok?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #265 December 16, 2009 Quote Quote Why.. you obviously dont know what politics is all about.. or the lengths you guys went to to ruin the economies of democratic districts in the name of right wing rePUBIClown politics. I could provide link after link after link and you will still come up with excuse after justification after excuse.. yay for you.You said Quote Nice base ya got here, Senator...be a shame if something were to happen to it" If you dont think that happened over an over under the Bush regime.. Gee, I must have missed how GHWB personally appointed every member of the BRAC board - can you show me where that is in the webpage you posted? All I can find is this: "Instead, it voted in 1988 to create an independent, bipartisan advisory commission to the Pentagon to propose lists of bases for closure." Quote I am truely sorry for your cognitive abilities. Nice PA. I'll let you get back to looking up those appointments - let me know when you find them, ok? AS I said.. compare the base closings.. and the congressional districts at the time.. Ok sorry that is beyond your pay grade as a BUSH worshiper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #266 December 16, 2009 QuoteOk sorry that is beyond your pay grade as a BUSH worshiper. Sorry, that would be an "independent, bipartison advisory commission" worshipper, in this case.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #267 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteOk sorry that is beyond your pay grade as a BUSH worshiper. Sorry, that would be an "independent, bipartison advisory commission" worshipper, in this case. I guess you are one of the ones who are fooled ALL of the time.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DKxxFoM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #268 December 16, 2009 Quote I don't know of GHWB threatening to close any bases to pressure Senators, but if you have any info I'd be interested in hearing it. It's certainly not by accident that every base in the SF Bay Area is gone. At this point, if someone was crazy enough to try to invade the country, this is the place to do it. Between the fucking pacifists and the lack of any military response, it's an easy entry point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #269 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuote I don't know of GHWB threatening to close any bases to pressure Senators, but if you have any info I'd be interested in hearing it. It's certainly not by accident that every base in the SF Bay Area is gone. At this point, if someone was crazy enough to try to invade the country, this is the place to do it. Between the fucking pacifists and the lack of any military response, it's an easy entry point. Looks like that was more the 93 and 95 BRACS Quote1993 Commission The 1993 Commission report included[1] Camp Evans - Fort Monmouth, Cecil Field NAS, Fort Wingate Marine Corps Air Station El Toro, Homestead AFB, K.I. Sawyer AFB March AFB, Mare Island Naval Shipyard, Naval Air Rework Facility (NARF), Alameda Naval Air Station Agana, Naval Air Station Barbers Point, Naval Air Station Dallas, Naval Air Station Glenview, Naval Air Station Alameda, Naval Aviation Depot Alameda, Naval Aviation Depot Norfolk, Naval Aviation Depot Pensacola, Naval Hospital Charleston, Naval Hospital Oakland aka Oak Knoll Naval Hospital, Oakland, CA Naval Hospital Orlando, Naval Station Charleston, Naval Station Mobile, Naval Station Staten Island, Naval Station Treasure Island, Naval Supply Center Oakland, Oakland Naval Supply Center Naval Training Center Orlando, Naval Training Center San Diego, NESEC, St. Inigoes, Newark AFB, O'Hare IAP ARS, Plattsburgh AFB, Vint Hill Farms Quote1995 Commission Adak NAF, Bergstrom AFB, Camp Bonneville, Castle Air Force Base, US Army Operations Fitzsimons, Fort Chafee, Fort Greely, Fort Indiantown Gap, Fort McClellan, Fort Pickett, Fort Ritchie, Letterkenny Army Depot, McClellan AFB, Military Ocean Terminal, Naval Air Warfare Center, Aircraft Division, Indianapolis, Naval Shipyard, Long Beach, Naval Supply Center, Oakland, Oakland Naval Supply Center NAWC, Aircraft Div., Warminster, NAWC, Crane Division Detachment, NSWC, Dahlgren Division Detachment, Oakland Army Base, Ontario IAP Air Guard Station, Red River Army Depot, Reese AFB, Roslyn Air Guard Station, Savanna Army Depot Activity, Seneca AD, Sierra Army Depot, Ship Repair Facility, Guam, South Weymouth NAS, Stratford Army Engine Plant Damn, Jeannie...whodathunk that *CLINTON* would be the one screwing over those poor Democratic areas?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #270 December 16, 2009 READIN IZ FUNDAMENTAL QuoteThe 1993 commission faced similar difficulties. Concerned about the loss of jobs and the economic impact of base closures on communities and states, Congress closely scrutinized the proposed list. Aspin, now secretary of defense, rebutted allegations that some of the closings were politically motivated. The third list affected 175 military installations, with some thirty major U.S. bases to be closed, twelve other major bases subject to realignment, and additional smaller bases being closed, realigned, or relocated. Congress accepted the list in 1993. In June 1995, the commission recommended closing seventy-nine bases and realigning twenty-six others. Although President Bill Clinton expressed strong concern about the economic impact of base closings in Texas and California, he approved the recommendations in July. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #271 December 16, 2009 Yes, "READIN IZ FUNDAMENTAL" - what part of "he approved the recommendations" gave you the problem? Looks like Clinton fucked over Democrat constituencies too.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #272 December 16, 2009 QuoteYes, "READIN IZ FUNDAMENTAL" - what part of "he approved the recommendations" gave you the problem? Looks like Clinton fucked over Democrat constituencies too. The lists they were working from at the time had all started under which administration????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #273 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteYes, "READIN IZ FUNDAMENTAL" - what part of "he approved the recommendations" gave you the problem? Looks like Clinton fucked over Democrat constituencies too. The lists they were working from at the time had all started under which administration????? Wrong again: QuoteDOD RECOMMENDATIONS.--(1) The Secretary may, by no later than April 15, 1991, March 15, 1993, and March 1, 1995, publish in the Federal Register and transmit to the congressional defense committees and to the Commission a list of the military installations inside the United States that the Secretary recommends for closure or realignment on the basis of the force-structure plan and the final criteria referred to in subsection (b)(2) that are applicable to the year concernedMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #274 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteYes, "READIN IZ FUNDAMENTAL" - what part of "he approved the recommendations" gave you the problem? Looks like Clinton fucked over Democrat constituencies too. The lists they were working from at the time had all started under which administration????? Wrong again: QuoteDOD RECOMMENDATIONS.--(1) The Secretary may, by no later than April 15, 1991, March 15, 1993, and March 1, 1995, publish in the Federal Register and transmit to the congressional defense committees and to the Commission a list of the military installations inside the United States that the Secretary recommends for closure or realignment on the basis of the force-structure plan and the final criteria referred to in subsection (b)(2) that are applicable to the year concerned Interesting how many of those closed are the same that Cheney wanted closed at the beginning.. things that make you go.....hmmmmmmm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #275 December 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYes, "READIN IZ FUNDAMENTAL" - what part of "he approved the recommendations" gave you the problem? Looks like Clinton fucked over Democrat constituencies too. The lists they were working from at the time had all started under which administration????? Wrong again: QuoteDOD RECOMMENDATIONS.--(1) The Secretary may, by no later than April 15, 1991, March 15, 1993, and March 1, 1995, publish in the Federal Register and transmit to the congressional defense committees and to the Commission a list of the military installations inside the United States that the Secretary recommends for closure or realignment on the basis of the force-structure plan and the final criteria referred to in subsection (b)(2) that are applicable to the year concerned Interesting how many of those closed are the same that Cheney wanted closed at the beginning.. things that make you go.....hmmmmmmm More like "things that make you go 'BULLSHIT!!!'" But by all means, show how Cheney, as a private citizen, forced the BRAC council to make the recommendations that HE wanted in 93 and 95, then forced Aspen, Cohen, Congress AND Clinton to sign off on them.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
