airdvr 210 #1 December 2, 2009 There has never been an option before me that called for troop deployments before 2010, so there has been no delay or denial of resources necessary for the conduct of the war during this review period. Shot at the right for saying he was taking too long. After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home. Trying to appease the left. I think it's a bad idea Our friends have fought and bled and died alongside us in Afghanistan. And now we must come together to end this war successfully...so long as it gets done by July 2011. there are those who oppose identifying a timeframe for our transition to Afghan responsibility...I reject this course because it sets goals that are beyond what can be achieved at a reasonable cost ... So, as long as it's not too difficult and costly...We must keep the pressure on Al Qaeda What we have fought for, what we continue to fight for is a better future for our children and grandchildren. And we believe that their lives will be better if other peoples' children and grandchildren can live in freedom and access opportunity....until July 2011. Trying to keep everyone happy in this won't work.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #2 December 2, 2009 >so long as it gets done by July 2011. Good. We don't need another forever war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 December 2, 2009 You might not think it can be done in that time frame, but I can't argue with the goals at all. It's pretty ambitious to hope it can be over and done with in the next 19 months. We'll know at that time and he's putting the 2012 election on the line if he doesn't deliver. I like that idea a shit load better than the folks that want to keep their wars open ended for the purposes of getting re-elected and passing any remaining problems on to the next guy.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #4 December 2, 2009 QuoteI like that idea a shit load better than the folks that want to keep their wars open ended for the purposes of getting re-elected and passing any remaining problems on to the next guy. Open ended wars get people re-elected? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 December 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteI like that idea a shit load better than the folks that want to keep their wars open ended for the purposes of getting re-elected and passing any remaining problems on to the next guy. Open ended wars get people re-elected? Worked for GWB. One of his points for re-election in 2004 was to not change horses mid-stream and a lot of people bought it, including quite a few Democrats. Has worked for a lot of Presidents. War Presidents usually do get re-elected.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #6 December 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI like that idea a shit load better than the folks that want to keep their wars open ended for the purposes of getting re-elected and passing any remaining problems on to the next guy. Open ended wars get people re-elected? Worked for GWB. One of his points for re-election in 2004 was to not change horses mid-stream and a lot of people bought it. Has worked for a lot of Presidents. War Presidents usually do get re-elected. It was one year into the war, his approval rating was well over 50%, and he won the absolute majority in the election. How do you think it would've gone for him in 2008? You think the open ended war would've been a good thing? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 December 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI like that idea a shit load better than the folks that want to keep their wars open ended for the purposes of getting re-elected and passing any remaining problems on to the next guy. Open ended wars get people re-elected? Worked for GWB. One of his points for re-election in 2004 was to not change horses mid-stream and a lot of people bought it. Has worked for a lot of Presidents. War Presidents usually do get re-elected. It was one year into the war, his approval rating was well over 50%, and he won the absolute majority in the election. How do you think it would've gone for him in 2008? You think the open ended war would've been a good thing? That's the beauty of the Presidency; two terms, you're out and it's the next guy's problem. Which is what I said in my first response.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 December 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteI like that idea a shit load better than the folks that want to keep their wars open ended for the purposes of getting re-elected and passing any remaining problems on to the next guy. Open ended wars get people re-elected? Worked for GWB. One of his points for re-election in 2004 was to not change horses mid-stream and a lot of people bought it, including quite a few Democrats. Has worked for a lot of Presidents. War Presidents usually do get re-elected. People bought it because it was and is the right thing to do"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #9 December 2, 2009 QuoteYou might not think it can be done in that time frame, but I can't argue with the goals at all. I'd love to see it get done in 6 months. My point is you don't tell the enemy when you're leaving.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #10 December 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI like that idea a shit load better than the folks that want to keep their wars open ended for the purposes of getting re-elected and passing any remaining problems on to the next guy. Open ended wars get people re-elected? Worked for GWB. One of his points for re-election in 2004 was to not change horses mid-stream and a lot of people bought it. Has worked for a lot of Presidents. War Presidents usually do get re-elected. It was one year into the war, his approval rating was well over 50%, and he won the absolute majority in the election. How do you think it would've gone for him in 2008? You think the open ended war would've been a good thing? QuoteThat's the beauty of the Presidency; two terms, you're out and it's the next guy's problem. Which is what I said in my first response. Where did you say that, exactly? You said open ended wars get Presidents re-elected. You didn't say anything about two terms and then you're out. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #11 December 2, 2009 QuoteI'd love to see it get done in 6 months. My point is you don't tell the enemy when you're leaving. Starting to bring troops home is not the same as leaving. I took it to mean that mid-2011 was a goal for when drawdowns would begin, not that we'd just pack up and leave regardless of what's going on around us. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #12 December 2, 2009 QuoteQuoteI'd love to see it get done in 6 months. My point is you don't tell the enemy when you're leaving. Starting to bring troops home is not the same as leaving. I took it to mean that mid-2011 was a goal for when drawdowns would begin, not that we'd just pack up and leave regardless of what's going on around us. That line of thinking works only if the US hasn't pulled the trick of leaving regardless in other situations. If the goal is to rid Afghanistan/Pakistan of Taliban/AQ and give them enough room to pull together a real government , when that job is done we should leave. AQ knows they can wait us out.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 December 2, 2009 QuoteWhere did you say that, exactly? You said open ended wars get Presidents re-elected. You didn't say anything about two terms and then you're out. I said; QuoteI like that idea a shit load better than the folks that want to keep their wars open ended for the purposes of getting re-elected and passing any remaining problems on to the next guy. Since we're specifically talking about President Obama's speech last night, "the folks" specifically refers to other Presidents. Since Presidents can only have two terms in office, it then should become obvious to anyone with elementary school math skills that any war lasting more than 10 years (again, as referenced by Obama's speech) would then out of necessity have to be passed on to the next administration. Sorry if the language was too subtle for you to decode, but I think the vast majority of people would be able to figure that out.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #14 December 2, 2009 QuoteTrying to keep everyone happy in this won't work. I agree. I have not heard one right-winger say that they now support Obama. I would like to hear from one former detractor that now thinks Obama has done something worthwhile, and may consider voting for him for re-election. Any takers? Beuller? Beuller? On the other hand, this is going to lose Obama a lot of democratic votes. I agree with the mission to find and kill OBL. I don't think another nation-building effort is necessary, and this mission is shaping up to be that. It's going to be extremely difficult to build there, much harder than in Iraq. I will surmise that Obama is doing what he believes is the best thing to do, regardless of his political standing, and I respect him for that. I don't agree with him on this decision, however, and it may cost him the re-election. Quade mentioned that war-time Presidents are almost always re-elected, and that's true, but I really think people are getting tired of this war that has been going on for more than eight years, on top of the eight-year Iraqi war. If we find OBL, or there is another terrorist strike in the US, then the population of the US may get behind Obama again.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #15 December 2, 2009 Iraq[Iran]Afganistan= OIL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #16 December 2, 2009 QuoteIraq[Iran]Afganistan= OIL There is no oil in Afghanistan. There are some people who say we went there to secure Unocal a natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan, to Pakistan. If you believe that, then you should be posting in the 9-11 conspiracy thread, not here. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #17 December 2, 2009 >There are some people who say we went there to secure Unocal a >natural gas pipeline from Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan, to >Pakistan. Wasn't that the plot of a James Bond movie? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #18 December 2, 2009 Maybe. I DID see a lot of sharks with laser beams on their heads in Kandahar. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #19 December 2, 2009 Quote Has worked for a lot of Presidents. War Presidents usually do get re-elected. Let's not forget Johnson though. QuoteQuade mentioned that war-time Presidents are almost always re-elected, and that's true, but I really think people are getting tired of this war that has been going on for more than eight years, on top of the eight-year Iraqi war. However, as America learned in '68, tossing the Dem for a Republican is unlikely to end the war any time soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #20 December 2, 2009 QuoteQuote Has worked for a lot of Presidents. War Presidents usually do get re-elected. Let's not forget Johnson though. Whoa, whoa, whoa . . . he was re-elected in 1964 my a wide margin. He chose not to run in '68.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 December 2, 2009 Playing politics AND doing it poorly others seem to think http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,664753,00.html QuoteNever before has a speech by President Barack Obama felt as false as his Tuesday address announcing America's new strategy for Afghanistan. It seemed like a campaign speech combined with Bush rhetoric -- and left both dreamers and realists feeling distraught."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #22 December 2, 2009 QuotePeople bought it because it was and is the right thing to do Are you saying that continuing to kill Iraqis and American soldiers, despite the fabricated reasons was the correct thing to do? Or are you saying the continuation of the nation-building effort was the correct thing to do?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #23 December 2, 2009 QuoteIt was one year into the war, his approval rating was well over 50%, and he won the absolute majority in the election. It was 3 years into the war in Afghanistan.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,121 #24 December 2, 2009 >It was 3 years into the war in Afghanistan. Some people don't see any difference between the two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #25 December 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI like that idea a shit load better than the folks that want to keep their wars open ended for the purposes of getting re-elected and passing any remaining problems on to the next guy. Open ended wars get people re-elected? Worked for GWB. One of his points for re-election in 2004 was to not change horses mid-stream and a lot of people bought it, including quite a few Democrats. Has worked for a lot of Presidents. War Presidents usually do get re-elected. People bought it because it was and is the right thing to do Gullible fucking morons bought it. Thoughtful, well informed people voted against the ruinous bastards. Issues of right and wrong were of no concern to them and their followers. ShrubCo hoodwinked the USA into initating a PREMEDITATED WAR OF AGGRESSION against a counrty that had not, did not and never would have, attacked us. Right wing useless shitbags will repeat any bullshit to cover their stupidity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
